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The gated community is really for the benefit of my family and not unusual for newer developments here in Northern Virginia. Unfortunately, I travel every week, so there is a bit of added peace in knowing that my family has comfort while I'm not around. I am comfortable "among my own," but in the past couple of years, I take no chances with my wife and my little girl...nor should any of those who might not be among "my own."

That is a bit of a sad situation for a guy who grew up riding his bike as a kid and not having his family worry about who might pull up next to him and take him or "explode a vehicle" in the vicinity. Unfortunately, there aren't too many areas of the "civilized" world where a parent could feel comfortable about such things.

Tom
MarekM said:
MarekM wrote:
I wish we would give up talking about the conflict but this is
simply too overwhelming. If you look back,couple of months ago,
there were very few non-photo threads in forums.
You cannot make issues go away by turning your head the other way,
I wish I could.
In a way, it is comforting that we still talk and try to find
solutions through words , however harsh. Opinions are very
polarized, that is to be expected.
Opinions also change, I was against the military action before but
fully support coalition now. I also think that the conflict would
be over (or never happened) if all major players stood united.

By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own.
Rgds
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"By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are comfortable among your own."> > >

Nice observation.
MarekM said:
MarekM wrote:
I wish we would give up talking about the conflict but this is
simply too overwhelming. If you look back,couple of months ago,
there were very few non-photo threads in forums.
You cannot make issues go away by turning your head the other way,
I wish I could.
In a way, it is comforting that we still talk and try to find
solutions through words , however harsh. Opinions are very
polarized, that is to be expected.
Opinions also change, I was against the military action before but
fully support coalition now. I also think that the conflict would
be over (or never happened) if all major players stood united.

By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own.
Rgds
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"Unfortunately, there aren't too many areas of the "civilized" world
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where a parent could feel comfortable about such things."> >
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Actually, there are quite a few. The sad fact is, there is far more crime per capita in the United States than in most of the Western World. Of course, I'm sure this is another American value we'd like to share with other countries like Iraq which don't have the issue.

I find it odd and rather contradictory for someone to say we shall liberate and free other countries, and force our own values, morality and civilisation upon them, when that same person is scared to death for thier own familiy's safety within the very country they claim to have these benefits in.

By the way Tom.....once, when pulled up to a red light in an intersection in Miami, I was almost carjacked at gunpoint.....found myself looking down the business end of what appeared to be at least a 357 if not a 45. I slammed on the accelarator and sped through the red light, hoping to God I would'nt slam into another car coming across the intersection. Fortunately, a cop was a block away and saw me do it, ran up and asked what was that about, and saw I had almost been jacked.....they caught 3 out of the 7 would-be thieves, and lo and behold, all were back out on the streets within a week, due to "lack of evidence".
Yes, my experiences in Florida were pretty awesome. God bless the U.S.A.
Tom Stovall said:
That is a bit of a sad situation for a guy who grew up riding his
bike as a kid and not having his family worry about who might pull
up next to him and take him or "explode a vehicle" in the vicinity.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many areas of the "civilized" world
where a parent could feel comfortable about such things.

Tom
MarekM said:
MarekM wrote:
I wish we would give up talking about the conflict but this is
simply too overwhelming. If you look back,couple of months ago,
there were very few non-photo threads in forums.
You cannot make issues go away by turning your head the other way,
I wish I could.
In a way, it is comforting that we still talk and try to find
solutions through words , however harsh. Opinions are very
polarized, that is to be expected.
Opinions also change, I was against the military action before but
fully support coalition now. I also think that the conflict would
be over (or never happened) if all major players stood united.

By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own.
Rgds
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I am glad you liked some a little, for me they are just pictures I newer think of them as work. Now I will try think about some thing positive, because its has become suffocating to read the postings. K.R jaus
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.J.D. said:
jaus, please do not misunderstand .... I like some of your work ...
just dissent with your world views :)
Regards
Karl
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David M. said:
Yes, my experiences in Florida were pretty awesome. God bless the
U.S.A.
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Geez, David .... you are disappointing me. The downside to living in a free society ... is, that cops have rules. The downside to a free society is guilty folks going free unless the State can show, beyond a reasonable doubt, they are guilty. Not a problem in the rest of the world. If they look guilty, execute them :) Solves all kind of problems. Freedom is not free ... it has been dearly paid for by better persons than you and I.

BTW: your Dad didn't die in Vietnam for America .... he died for the guy standing next to him. Popular misconception: folks willing to die for a cause. they don't. Been there, done that ... and unbelievably greatful to the guy standing next to me.
Karl
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http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
You are one unlucky guy, David! Why would you stay in a country where you feel so defeated and with so many problems? By the way, that is a rhetorical question.

See ya!
Tom
David M. said:
David M. said:
where a parent could feel comfortable about such things."> >
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Actually, there are quite a few. The sad fact is, there is far
more crime per capita in the United States than in most of the
Western World. Of course, I'm sure this is another American value
we'd like to share with other countries like Iraq which don't have
the issue.
I find it odd and rather contradictory for someone to say we shall
liberate and free other countries, and force our own values,
morality and civilisation upon them, when that same person is
scared to death for thier own familiy's safety within the very
country they claim to have these benefits in.
By the way Tom.....once, when pulled up to a red light in an
intersection in Miami, I was almost carjacked at gunpoint.....found
myself looking down the business end of what appeared to be at
least a 357 if not a 45. I slammed on the accelarator and sped
through the red light, hoping to God I would'nt slam into another
car coming across the intersection. Fortunately, a cop was a block
away and saw me do it, ran up and asked what was that about, and
saw I had almost been jacked.....they caught 3 out of the 7
would-be thieves, and lo and behold, all were back out on the
streets within a week, due to "lack of evidence".
Yes, my experiences in Florida were pretty awesome. God bless the
U.S.A.
Tom Stovall said:
That is a bit of a sad situation for a guy who grew up riding his
bike as a kid and not having his family worry about who might pull
up next to him and take him or "explode a vehicle" in the vicinity.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many areas of the "civilized" world
where a parent could feel comfortable about such things.

Tom
MarekM said:
MarekM wrote:
I wish we would give up talking about the conflict but this is
simply too overwhelming. If you look back,couple of months ago,
there were very few non-photo threads in forums.
You cannot make issues go away by turning your head the other way,
I wish I could.
In a way, it is comforting that we still talk and try to find
solutions through words , however harsh. Opinions are very
polarized, that is to be expected.
Opinions also change, I was against the military action before but
fully support coalition now. I also think that the conflict would
be over (or never happened) if all major players stood united.

By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own.
Rgds
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really good.' --Sun Tzu
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Good point, Karl. You are right on the target with wy these folks put their lives on the line every day.

Tom
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.J.D. said:
David M. said:
Yes, my experiences in Florida were pretty awesome. God bless the
U.S.A.
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Geez, David .... you are disappointing me. The downside to living
in a free society ... is, that cops have rules. The downside to a
free society is guilty folks going free unless the State can show,
beyond a reasonable doubt, they are guilty. Not a problem in the
rest of the world. If they look guilty, execute them :) Solves
all kind of problems. Freedom is not free ... it has been dearly
paid for by better persons than you and I.
BTW: your Dad didn't die in Vietnam for America .... he died for
the guy standing next to him. Popular misconception: folks
willing to die for a cause. they don't. Been there, done that ...
and unbelievably greatful to the guy standing next to me.
Karl
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http://www.karltimmerman.com
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...try not to get caught in a pi$$ing contest with a skunk? Sometimes people just amaze me! Alaska is a long way from Virginia and I am thankful. Seems like he is a regular magnet for lightning. Sometimes I wonder, but not for too long.

Tom
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.J.D. said:
David M. said:
"By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own."> > >

Nice observation.
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(growling) Cheap shot, David. Beneath your intellect. Like you
would not appreciate and take advantage of extra security for your
children?
Karl
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Tom Stovall said:
The gated community is really for the benefit of my family and not
unusual for newer developments here in Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately, I travel every week, so there is a bit of added
peace in knowing that my family has comfort while I'm not around.
I am comfortable "among my own," but in the past couple of years, I
take no chances with my wife and my little girl...nor should any of
those who might not be among "my own."

That is a bit of a sad situation for a guy who grew up riding his
bike as a kid and not having his family worry about who might pull
up next to him and take him or "explode a vehicle" in the vicinity.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many areas of the "civilized" world
where a parent could feel comfortable about such things.

Tom

MarekM wrote:
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Tom, I also have a little daughter. As much as I understand reasons for gated communities,their spread is alarmingly sad. This is not the way to correct problems. You in the USA and we in Canada do not seem to be able to fix problems in our own backyards but tackle the world at the same time. It is confusing.

I stand by my previous post and fully back coalition, evil abroad threatens many, including naive left-wingers in Europe. That must be tackled. But rateher than continue on, with problems of others, we must not forget about home.

And things are not going well, for instance we have a Young Offenders Act, that is being amended this April 1st (no joke), to allow trying young offenders committing serious crimes as adults only after two previous serious crimes. Police are turning their heads. In the last few years , our government spent one billion (yes, one billion) CAD on a gun registry program, in a country of 31.5 mln, but it took years and years to get the approval for the first police helicopter in Toronto area at a cost of one million.

We have a lot a work to be done at home and gated communities, however sadly necessary today, are not the way to improve our childrens' lives in future.
Sorry for taking this so far off topic.
Rgds
 
MarekM said:
David M. said:
Wow. It's really comforting to know we are in the same company as
such nasty little regimes such as reside in;
Angola
Azerbaijan
Ethiopia
Mongolia
Uganda
And my favorite.....Uzbekistan!!
Yippeee.
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MarekM wrote:
I guess you would prefer a company of non-supporters like
Syria
Libya
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Malaysia
North Korea
Iran
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Imagine this list of "countries in the coalition of the willing" being aired on David Letterman's show :-)
 
"I worked my @ss off everyday for much
Strategist said:
less than you could make in the private sector."> >
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Not true, at least not back in the very early 80's. There was a big time recession on, jobs were scarce and what there was paid diddly. Add to that the cost of living there, and it spelled poverty with a capital P. Working in the military, you DID get taken care of, fed and clothed, and did'nt have to worry at all about being laid off and wondering how you were going to make next month's rent. I'm sorry you were drafted though.....most members of my family, including my dad, joined voluntarily.

"What have you done in service for your country, by the way?"> >

I have volunteered for community service in every state I've lived in, and continue to do so.....including working for homeless and battered women's shelters, animal control centers, and volunteer firefighting. I also offer low cost video and still photography to low income weddings at the local churches (though I must admit this is somewhat self-serving as I do use the images for a portfolio in exchange).

But I'll be damned if I was going to join the service. I lost my dad to a meaningless and politically botched up war, and I think that was price paid enough. I am glad though you had the opportunity to grow up with one though Tom. Must have been nice. Quite a foot up in the real world.

" The other "challenges" you faced are not too different from many
Strategist said:
who came here for freedom and opportunity or who grew up in less
than optimum situations."> >
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Yes, this is true. That is why I'm not whining about my predicaments, only expressing what I've been through. Without the benefit of any family whatsoever excepting my mother, whom I saw very little of since she had to work two jobs most her life to raise me since all she got for losing her husband was a sorry note and a few measly bucks from Uncle Sam for her sacrifice. I hope your mom fared better Tom.

"You see, I started working at 10 years old in a laundramat in a
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small southern town, so don't get too self righteous with me. "> >
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I started at 12 delivering newspapers in Wisconsin, rain, sun and snow, to help my mom pay bills. I'm not getting self righteous with you either, just stating a fact. Congrats you had the nads to do so too, though it sounds to me like it was more of a choice thing than a necessity thing.

"putting myself through college with no family money, no loans, nor
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federal support."> >
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Congrats. Want a medal? When did I say you have'nt worked hard? I think many of us have. You did have the nenefit of family support, in the form of emotional and comforting, and the knowledge that you had a dad and mom there whenever you felt like talking with them or sharing your life experience with. But I give you kudos for going it alone. But I'm still withholding the medal.

"And since I really don't care to know anything about the
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photographic equipment you have...well, enough said!"> >
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LOL!!! You started it!! I did'nt care at all what kind of equipment you have, but you offered to answer questions about it, and I replied in kind!! Geez Tom, you still are at it.....it's fine for YOU to state things and comment on things, but when the bullets bounce off me and come right back at you you cry and whine. Amazing. How did you get through the military with an attitude like that?

Anyway, I'm done with this too. All hail to Sir Tom and his mighty war rhetoric, and all hail his awesome and worldly wisdom. All bow down and worship, and stay shut-up with any contradictory statements, because it's not fair to hit Sir Tom back with his own ammunition.
Cya
 
while i do not share your point of view on whats been going on with the world, i do share your love of Alaska....... one day soon, i hope to spend some time there. your shots make it all the more inviting.
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David M. said:
Totally irrelevant comparison.
Hitler attempted to take control of all of Europe, Africa, and even
broke it's non-aggression pact with Stalin (who, by the way,
deserves more credit for defeating the Third Reich than America
ever should get).
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Actually, it's a very relevant comparison. Hitler didn't start with a massive army. When his rise to power was in it's infancy, the time to stop him was possible. When Hitler re-toke the Rhineland un-opposed, he (Hitler) was gambling. His generals and even he knew that if France, Britain and other countries opposed him he did not have the power to hold his ground. The third Reich would have been snuffed out in a short and far less costly way than what occured when the League of Nations failed to act.
Here's a photo of good ole Chamberline giving his "Peace in our Time" speech.



Hey! Peace is great. Waiting around while another power hungry psycho develops his arms and armies is not a smart thing to do.

Saddam worships Stalin. Something kind of spine chilling to think about. Saddams bookshelves are full of Stalins writtings. His security force is modeled after Stalin's methods.

I and a large number of other people do not want this guy around. I did not want this war to start because the U.S. is in the economic pits. Now, without the help of France or Russia, the U.S. is going to suffer economically before the is over. When the U.S. market bottoms out, the rest of the world goes with it. Bush screwed up doing this at this point in time. How bout some assistance getting Stalin number 2 out of power?
David M. said:
The Third Reich was also a MAJOR military force to be reckoned
with. A far cry from the state of military might Iraq is and has
been in.
Nothing to compare to WW2 with. Nothing whatsoever.
Tuba Paul said:
David M. said:
... This invasion is nothing more than schoolyard bullying. America
being the "biggest" bully gets to do pretty much what it wants...
--Dennis
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The same way America and England bullied Hitler out of France and
most of the rest of Europe?

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Tom Stovall said:
...try not to get caught in a pi$$ing contest with a skunk?
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There are no human skunks, Tom, (we lack the hardware :). Folks have their world view .. based on their life experiences. I can and do respect that. Each honorable person wishes to be respected, raise their families, live with dignity. There are persons who prey on others .. there are persons who wish to live off of the labor of others ... there is evil in this world. All we can do, is live a life worth living. a Life which causes no harm but a life which confronts evil and defeats it. A simplistic view no doubt: but truth and justice is.
Regards
Karl
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The U.S. has been trying to stay out of European and Asian conflicts for the past 100 years. Invariably, one way or the other we've been drawn into those wars.

Prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor, 95% of Americans were opposed to the war that had been going on in Europe. A world hero was making a career out of opposing these conflicts. His name was Charles Lindberg. He was even visiting **** Germany and coming back here and speaking of the wonders of Germany under **** power. Hitler gave him a medal!

Four years latter, good ole Chalie was flying in the South Pacific against Japan. One way or the other, people like Saddam will catch up to you. I say it's better sooner than latter.
 
Yes, my little girl just came up (before I took her up to read her a couple of stories and say her prayers) and laughed in my face while I was reading some of the posts. She has made a very big impression on what I should do and how I should reply to posts that "suck me in." And that will be to treat them with the respect they are owed. In that way I can feel like I'm making my points without feeling that I am taking things too seriously.

So with that context: from your reply, David. Let me tell you a story about a "guy" I once knew...let's call him "Davis." This guy "Davis" complained about the "neighborhood" in which he lived continuously. Nothing was right. No one cared about anyone but themselves, and though he enjoyed all of the rights and privileges of everyone else, because he was unable to achieve anything, "Davis" blamed everyone else for his problems. I wanted to have "Davis" over to speak with him, but my observation was that he would never make it through the gate in the community in which I live!

From "Davis'" postings (forgot to say that he also contributed to this forum) and the attitude that came through in them, he really just didn't seem to have the initiative, the good old American "stick-to-it-iveness," and the (how can I say this?) ba%%s to make it in a competitive situation. He seemed to have a defeatist's attitude and the feeling that everyone was out to get him. He was also a poor loser who didn't want to take responsibility for the things that he had failed to accomplish in his little life, but took great joy in letting everyone know how screwed up the rest of the "neighborhood" was. Never could really understand what kept "Davis" in the neighborhood! I guess he was just a glutton for punishment? Anyway, he just stayed around complaining all the time.

Suffice it to say, most of the folks around him now sort of smile and keep their distance from him. Every now and then they will speak to him, but no one takes him too seriously because...they just don't. Finally, he moved away, and nobody really even noticed it. Until just yesterday, I had forgotten about him, too.

Hope you've enjoyed reading my little story about "Davis," David. My little girl loves me to tell her stories! By the way, David, if you are ever passing through DC and would like to come by, please...whoops, forgot about those damned "gates"...well, at least beep your horn!

;)

Tom
David M. said:
"By the way, gated community does not sound to me like you are
comfortable among your own."> > >

Nice observation.
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"What do you mean by WE, Kimosabe?"
David M. said:
MarekM said:
MarekM wrote:
The llist is actually 48 countries. It is at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030321-4.html

What do you say now, Rapick?

I know, I know, American propaganda, the list is not true or,
better yet, has no weight.
Rgds
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