Just Gave Notice -- Wish Me Luck!!

Differentiation. Being able to answer the question, "Why should I use your services over the next guys?" If you can't answer the question, then you don't consider yourself special, useable or different. I can tell a customer why they should use my services over the next guy. I can tell the customer what is different about my services. I can easily show a customer why I'm so special and why they need my services.

Sales. Always be ethical but remember, the phone rang because they need somebody to provide them with services, never answer the phone unless you're willing to give it your all to close the deal. How you choose to close a deal is up to you but if you don't close the deal, you don't eat. It really is that simple.

Keep tract. Keep track of how many calls you get and how many of those calls you close. If I fall below 70%, during the season, I look at myself as the problem, 80% close is my benchmark. Look to yourself as the reason you don't have business as you're the reason your in business. When my closing numbers fall, I know I'm in a foul mood and it's time for a six martini dinner and a trip to the comedy store for live entertainment. Keeping a level keel is important and stress will ruin the "Chi".

"Chi". Learn what this is and do everything you can to keep it. Learn when you lose your Chi and learn what you can do to get it back. It's your greatest personal asset.

Monies. Always keep your equipment up to snuff and plenty of it. You're a professional and the customer should not hear why it is you can't perform. That's why you're being paid the big bucks. So use you money to keep yourself up to the task and make sure you keep your horizons expandable as the moment requires. If a job requires $500.00/1,500.00 for a piece of equipment, no matter what that piece of equipment is and you see more then one job using this equipment over the next year, buy it. Use money to keep you and your equipment at the ready and this will make you more money.

Spares. Always keep backup equipment so you can reach up on the shelf and get what ever it is you need. I keep a couple thousand dollars of equipment and chemicals on the shelf, just so they are there when I need them. I keep turn around times in my head, when I hit a reorder level, I order. Professional equipment is expensive and it's our job to keep lots of it around, not to make excuses why we don't have the equipment. So make sure you have plenty of filters, batteries, lenses, equipment bags, studio lights, sensor bodies, flash units, tripods/heads and what ever else it is a professional photographer is suppose to have lots of.

Knowledge. You're suppose to have the answers all the time and the customer doesn't hire you to make mistakes, they hire you to get the job done right the first time and that's the way you have to approch an assignment; omniscent. If you can't approach a situation from that viewpoint, then you need more education. Always work to increase your professional knowledge. Subscribe to professional trade magazines, two or three, at least. Leaf through them religiously to keep you abreast of what's happening in the industry, professional wise.

Insurance. Be sure to keep your equipment insured as much as reasonably possible. If ten k worth of equipment disappears, so might you ability to make a living. This is not good.

Confidence. You're there not because this is a lark but because you "can do". The customer doesn't want to hear that you'll figure it out, they want to hear that you can get the job done, for this amount here and you'll have the results on this day here. No excuses. "I can be out there on this day here and when I come out, I'll explain to you what it is I'm going to do."

The list of wisdom and insight is a very long list. There's no way to put it all down, so I threw the basics on the table and cut my list short.

I hope the above is helpful and truly wish you the best.

Thomas
 
Good luck to you! Tough decision and tough road ahead. I thought that you had some entry into high-tech cos. in the Valley... Wouldn't it make sense to start testing the photographic market by getting a few of those assignments going?

Successful entrepreneus often start their companies by working w/ friends...

John
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
month! I'm going to spend the summer and early fall on the road (
mostly in the Rockies and Cascades ) adding to my portfolio --
which has some good images, but could be a lot stronger. I'll
spend the late fall, winter, and early spring on the East Coast (
where I grew up ) trying to sell my photos and services, then I'm
planning to head to Alaska and work on my portfolio for as long
as I can. ( From there I'm giving a lot of thought to staying in
Anchorage or Fairbanks. )

I'm trying to sell whatever prints I can, but I think I'll be much
better able to make enough to support myself selling services.
Which means shooting photos for people ( I know some artists and
small businesses that could use soem help ) and branching off into
designing web sites, brochures, and the such.

So wish me luck! And if anybody has any ideas on how I can improve
my chances for success, I'd appreciate them very much! I think I
probably have a better chance than most ( especially with my
girlfriend's background in the arts and in design, and my
photography and finance background ), but I'd really like to hear
any good advice you guys can muster!

Forrest Croce
valhallaphotos.com

http://valhallaphotos.com/html/Galleries/LandscapeGalleries.htm
 
Forrest:

I have always admired your photos and your advice has been very helpful in this forum. Good to learn you are striking out on your own.

Being in business myself, I know firsthand the pains of going solo after a "safe" corporate job. However, there is nothing better than being the master of your own destiny. And there is no better place for it than the US. Trust me, as an immigrant, I know. What I have learned over the years is that if you really want something and are willing to work hard for it, you will get it in the end. Just hang in there. Good luck!

Pradeep.
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
month! I'm going to spend the summer and early fall on the road (
mostly in the Rockies and Cascades ) adding to my portfolio --
which has some good images, but could be a lot stronger. I'll
spend the late fall, winter, and early spring on the East Coast (
where I grew up ) trying to sell my photos and services, then I'm
planning to head to Alaska and work on my portfolio for as long
as I can. ( From there I'm giving a lot of thought to staying in
Anchorage or Fairbanks. )

I'm trying to sell whatever prints I can, but I think I'll be much
better able to make enough to support myself selling services.
Which means shooting photos for people ( I know some artists and
small businesses that could use soem help ) and branching off into
designing web sites, brochures, and the such.

So wish me luck! And if anybody has any ideas on how I can improve
my chances for success, I'd appreciate them very much! I think I
probably have a better chance than most ( especially with my
girlfriend's background in the arts and in design, and my
photography and finance background ), but I'd really like to hear
any good advice you guys can muster!

Forrest Croce
valhallaphotos.com

http://valhallaphotos.com/html/Galleries/LandscapeGalleries.htm
 
This is kinda my dream too.... And for you it is now reality!

I want to quit the nasty air conditioned office life in the UK and move to West Canada - I'm taking a 3 week vacation there this summer to check it out. In 2 years time, I want to make my move.

I am very, very envious :-)

Good Luck and all the best

KR

D.
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
month! I'm going to spend the summer and early fall on the road (
mostly in the Rockies and Cascades ) adding to my portfolio --
which has some good images, but could be a lot stronger. I'll
spend the late fall, winter, and early spring on the East Coast (
where I grew up ) trying to sell my photos and services, then I'm
planning to head to Alaska and work on my portfolio for as long
as I can. ( From there I'm giving a lot of thought to staying in
Anchorage or Fairbanks. )

I'm trying to sell whatever prints I can, but I think I'll be much
better able to make enough to support myself selling services.
Which means shooting photos for people ( I know some artists and
small businesses that could use soem help ) and branching off into
designing web sites, brochures, and the such.

So wish me luck! And if anybody has any ideas on how I can improve
my chances for success, I'd appreciate them very much! I think I
probably have a better chance than most ( especially with my
girlfriend's background in the arts and in design, and my
photography and finance background ), but I'd really like to hear
any good advice you guys can muster!

Forrest Croce
valhallaphotos.com

http://valhallaphotos.com/html/Galleries/LandscapeGalleries.htm
--
'We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty' HHGTTG
http://www.pbase.com/dasantillo
 
You only go around once. If you find a profession you love you will never work a day in your life. I speak from experience. Best of luck, I feel you will do well.
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
--
Mike Morbach
I'm still learning
http://www.pbase.com/spike777
 
Forrest,

I got no advice for you, but I just wanted tosay GOOD LUCK MAN! Go for it! One day I would love to be able to do what your are about to do. Keep us posted as to your progress!

All the best,
Simon
 
First, if no one else has pointed you to this, give this article a good read:

http://www.photo.net/mjohnston/column7/

Second, a question - is your girlfriend going to be travelling with you? If so - you're one lucky man. If not - well, I hope the long distance relationship works out.

As for going fulltime with photography - that's a gutsy move, and I admire you for that.

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net
 
I wish you the BEST! You've got some cojones. Just the three pictures on your webpage seem to indicate you've got good eye.

Anyway... The best to you. Keep us posted!

Miguel
 
Your pix that I have seen are great, both technically and from an aesthetic viewpoint, and if you put the energy into your new endeavor that you have put into what you have done so far, I'd bet my eyeteeth you'll make it.

Good luck, and I hope you keep us posted here on your progress!
--
Walter K
 
Good luck!! I'm extremely envious but just don't have the large huevos! If I may ask, how will you take care of medical insurance without a "safe" corporate job? That is the largest obstacle preventing me from trying it on my own.

May you fare well, where ever you fare.
 
Forrest

First of all good luck, I have always admired your work and I wish you success.

Now the other bits:

1. Be a hardnose businessman, get your presentation, systems, workflow and paperwork in tip top order. Keep every bit of bill and invoice. Do at least monthly management accounts to keep track of cash flow (you would do this anyway being from a finance background). I started my own law firm 11 years ago and learnt the hard way/

2. Ask yourself whether you would deal with you if you were the paying customer. Can you market yourself effectively, being good with people is just as important as being a good photographer. I am serious!

3. Get a 6x7 (good), 6x9 (better) or large format if you are going to compete with the big boys in the landscape sector for calendars, magazine work and stock (last category requires many hundreds of pin sharp and well exposed photos and a year or so before you will see decent profit).

4. If 3 above is not your goal, and you are only selling to the public at picture shows, fairs etc. Allow for longer period before you see profit you can live on comfortably.

5. Be prepared to take pictures you do not like taking. A pro doesn't take pictures for enjoyment, he takes them for food. It can be very hard changing from the mindset of an amateur.

6. Be prepared to a lower standard of living for 3 to 4 years, if you are lucky. Hope you have been putting money away :-)

7. If you do not start seeing success or at least the buds of success after 12 months, step back and take a hard look. It may be time to restructure your vision, your methods, your niche or even time to get back to the office job before you get dragged into the downwards spiral.

8. A master of his own destiny can also be the architect of his own failure. It is lonely at the top. Don't be stubborn if things are not working, try something new.

9. Before getting your own studio (in a few years' time), make sure you can pay for the rent and overheads with adequate cashflow coming in. Do not over-commit. Form a partnership to share the costs and risks. Get a good lawyer :-)

It's late in the UK and I am sleepy, if I think of any more points, I will let you know! If I don't, then keep in touch and tell us how you get on. Very best of luck to you, you will need it.

--
Arthur Li
http://www.pbase.com/akl

The camera is only one of the photographer's tools ....
 
... and the shots are truly good.
Thanks. I'd go so far as to say a few of them are exceptional ... and a lot of them are very good, but could be better. Some of them are weak, and only in there as "filler." I'm thinking of my Tetons photos in particular. I think taking six months on the road and applying myself, I can get a very broad portfolio that's as good as the best in there now...

You mentioned finding a niche, and I think the fact that I'm compelled to visit a lot of breathtaking places most people will never see with their own eyes -- and some of them are places you can't find more than a small handful of photos from -- will at least help me distinguish myself.
I´d recommend to use 6x7 equipment for better salability of shots
for a variety of uses and a 1Ds (or 6x7 and a good scanner) for
Right ... the 1Ds route is dramatically more attractive to me; I already have good EOS lenses, am comfortable with my digital workflow, and so on. But it's way out of my range for now; I don't want to buy it with the idea that it will allow me to do this and that for more sales -- I'd rather do what I can now until I've saved enough to pay for a 1Ds. I might have to go with MF film on long backpacking adventures, unless I can come up with a better solar setup than I've heard of anybody trying...
larger prints to sell on your own. Also to include more people in
the shots. Shots with people are much easier to sell than pure
landscape shots, where the market is smaller and you´ll have to
I've heard this before.

I don't know about this particular case, but I have a photo of conifer silhouettes, a campfire, and long star trails throughout the sky ... I think at least some of the campgrounds I stay at during my travels could use photos like that of their own grounds, to use in brochure and so on.

My web site isn't very good. My girlfriend has the background in design -- I'm just the photographer and computer guy. But when I get her to redesign it well, I can try to sell my photos and web pages ... that pays better than selling 8x10s!

Thanks for the thoughts and advice!
 
Internet porn. man its a moneymaker selling stock photography to
pornsite pays off well and with DSLRs. Screw Art I want money on
the table and a roof over the head :)
I know my girlfriend wouldn't pose for me if I wanted to show anyone else the photos ... and she definately wouldn't let me shoot someone else!

Besides, I think I really have some talent at landscapes and all things related to travel ... so I'm trying to take advantage of that!
 
I hope it goes well. If not, I am sure you will have fun in the
attempt. Did you retire or just quit?
Well ... I'm 25 years old ... but I guess I could call it being retired...!

And yeah, I think I can afford to make a mistake like this a lot more than I can afford to be 60 and wonder what the hell happened, and whether I could have made it.
 
I need work! =)
Seriously.
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
month! I'm going to spend the summer and early fall on the road (
mostly in the Rockies and Cascades ) adding to my portfolio --
which has some good images, but could be a lot stronger. I'll
spend the late fall, winter, and early spring on the East Coast (
where I grew up ) trying to sell my photos and services, then I'm
planning to head to Alaska and work on my portfolio for as long
as I can. ( From there I'm giving a lot of thought to staying in
Anchorage or Fairbanks. )

I'm trying to sell whatever prints I can, but I think I'll be much
better able to make enough to support myself selling services.
Which means shooting photos for people ( I know some artists and
small businesses that could use soem help ) and branching off into
designing web sites, brochures, and the such.

So wish me luck! And if anybody has any ideas on how I can improve
my chances for success, I'd appreciate them very much! I think I
probably have a better chance than most ( especially with my
girlfriend's background in the arts and in design, and my
photography and finance background ), but I'd really like to hear
any good advice you guys can muster!

Forrest Croce
valhallaphotos.com

http://valhallaphotos.com/html/Galleries/LandscapeGalleries.htm
 
I just checked out your posting history and based on that I would have assumed that you had quit long ago. LOL. Just kiiding. Good luck.
Well, it's official! I just gave notice at my full-time corporate
job, and I'll be leaving the Bay Area probably at the end of next
month! I'm going to spend the summer and early fall on the road (
mostly in the Rockies and Cascades ) adding to my portfolio --
which has some good images, but could be a lot stronger. I'll
spend the late fall, winter, and early spring on the East Coast (
where I grew up ) trying to sell my photos and services, then I'm
planning to head to Alaska and work on my portfolio for as long
as I can. ( From there I'm giving a lot of thought to staying in
Anchorage or Fairbanks. )

I'm trying to sell whatever prints I can, but I think I'll be much
better able to make enough to support myself selling services.
Which means shooting photos for people ( I know some artists and
small businesses that could use soem help ) and branching off into
designing web sites, brochures, and the such.

So wish me luck! And if anybody has any ideas on how I can improve
my chances for success, I'd appreciate them very much! I think I
probably have a better chance than most ( especially with my
girlfriend's background in the arts and in design, and my
photography and finance background ), but I'd really like to hear
any good advice you guys can muster!

Forrest Croce
valhallaphotos.com

http://valhallaphotos.com/html/Galleries/LandscapeGalleries.htm
--
T Blair
Gear: D60, EOS3, G1, many lenses and not enough time
'This is photography; if I wanted realism, I'd just take a picture.'
 
If you plan to pass through Kansas City let me know I'll give you
my phone number and you can treat me to dinner! Or I'll treat you
;-)
I've been through Kansas City before ... but it's not on the route we traced out. We're going to do broad strokes through the western mountain ranges, then go along the south and come back up the Blue Ridge Parkway.

But if I come through KC on my way to Alaska, I'll definately drop you a note...!
 

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