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... put on by a promoter that is either renting the place, or giving the county part of the gate receipts.
I don't want my photo taken at guns shows, BTW.
KP
Bruce Conner said:
Brian,

It was at the state fairgrounds supported by taxpayer money. Open
to the public but with and admission fee.

BC
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29 lbs. of Canon stuff in a backpack that I carry everywhere. A closet full of things that are banned in Britain. A minivan and a Fender Stratocaster. A three bedroom ranch with three owls on an acre. An aversion to rumours. Also, absolutely no Canon 1200mm f/5.6. Yet.
 
I own 4 rifles and 5 pistols and 1 Bear Kodiak Magnum bow. The bow hits the hardest. I've split 2x10 scaffold boards with it. I have used weapons in the Army. A gun is only as dangerous as the idiot carrying it. My point is that it is ironic that in a society that is so saturated (take me for example) with guns that a camera is considered a dangerous security risk. Get it?

I don't need any lectures about guns or politics or screwy statistics. People don't drown on purpose or get hit by lightning on purpose but usually when they are shot it is on purpose. It is a different thing. People that have guns for sporting clays, hunting or targets or self defense is fine with me but for the most part the people that have assualt rifles have them because they fear things. And if their mind goes a little wacky the first thing they pick up is the gun to protect themselves from an imagined threat like the neighbors, a strange sound or their dog etc. Enough with the guns, geez.

Bc
 
State property, open to the public. Paid for by state funds, maintained by the state I believe. Nevetheless, I don't care who takes my picture. Just smile. Now what they do with that picture can be a crime or it can be a good thing. It isn't the action of taking but rather what is done with it. Just like buying a gun. It is what is done with it that can be a crime so we don't ban guns do we? But gun people ban cameras! So that makes sense to you? So would you rather be accidentally shot with a camera or an AR-15?
I own guns but I do find a number of gun owners to be completely irrational.

BC
 
Zidar,

Gun freedom proponents foam at the mouth at any notion that there should be any controls on weapons. They even make and sell targets of people who oppose them (Clintons etc. or percieved liberals). All in the name of freedom. But in the same name of freedom they ban cameras. Now how many people have been killed in the last century by cameras? Maybe none? And how many poeple have been killed by irresponsible gun owners? Thousands, tens of thousands? Now most gun owners are responsible, until they become irresponsible and then someone might be dead or maimed. When a photographer becomes irresponsible with his camera someone might become embarrased or famous. The only thing that is worse than people talking about you is them not talking about you.

BC
 
Look at my sig ... and guess what my 'banned in Britain' stuff is. I routinely stand up for full gun rights, and many people would love to end those rights. The bad guys will use those pictures against us ... out of context ... to scare and inflame the public, in the same way they make a nutcase killer into 'all gun owners'. It worked in Britain, Austrailia, and Canada.

And ... if you would READ my post, you will note that I said that the promoter of the show has either paid to rent the venue, or is giving the county a cut of the proceeds. It's still classified as a 'private' event ... which simply means NOT SPONSORED BY THE GOV'T! Ouch ... my throat hurts.
KP
Bruce Conner said:
State property, open to the public. Paid for by state funds,
maintained by the state I believe. Nevetheless, I don't care who
takes my picture. Just smile. Now what they do with that picture
can be a crime or it can be a good thing. It isn't the action of
taking but rather what is done with it. Just like buying a gun. It
is what is done with it that can be a crime so we don't ban guns do
we? But gun people ban cameras! So that makes sense to you? So
would you rather be accidentally shot with a camera or an AR-15?
I own guns but I do find a number of gun owners to be completely
irrational.

BC
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29 lbs. of Canon stuff in a backpack that I carry everywhere. A closet full of things that are banned in Britain. A minivan and a Fender Stratocaster. A three bedroom ranch with three owls on an acre. An aversion to rumours. Also, absolutely no Canon 1200mm f/5.6. Yet.
 
You think they were going to commit a crime or they were going to ask for directions or they were undercover cops wondering what you were doing out late with a gun in your pocket. Sadly we will never know. I used to walk through the government center in Boston after midnight and no one ever bothered me. I walked alone through Cholon sector of Saigon and no one ever bothered me. No guns. Maybe it is your pheromones. You know dogs can smell fear and maybe crooks can too.

Bc
 
Because they alert the owner, that someone is in the family space, by barking.

This draws attention to the would be robber....the dog can also potentially attack the intruder.....AND...it gives the HOME OWNER time to GET HIS/HER GUN!! and hit the 911 on the phone.

Mike...
DavidP said:
Besides, probably most gun owners have a dog, too.
Bern Caughey said:
This is not true. A pump shotgun is the number 2 fear. Ask a cop.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
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Ken,

I don't believe in banning guns but I don't believe in banning cameras either. What is next, shoot the camera guys because they are so dangerous? Kill the messenger.

I find this stance irrational. Nitrate fumes must kill brain cells.

BC
 
Bob,

It was only an accident that I had the camera with me. I mistakenly thought that 2 models were working a booth there and I wanted to take their picture so I had the new 10D with me. Ironically I don't ever remember seeing a "No Guns Allowed" sign at the camera show. I asked why no camera and they said they didn't know. They let me stow the camera up front with the cashier and that was nice. I'm not saying that they were rude or a problem. No one was. I just find the thinking irrational. "Ban cameras and not guns" completely looney.

BC
 
Andreas,

If you watch the movies and listen to the gun boobs you will think that the bad guys are breaking down the doors here every night. That sells guns. The pedaling of fear. Fear of the dark, fear of the neighbors, fear of the Europeans, fear of the bomb, fear of planes and now the deadly camera. Fear sells in the US. Actually nearly none of the stuff you see in the movies, read in the newspaper happens to the vast majority of people here. It is a huge country. We have a lot of space, a lot peace, a lot of guns and a lot of nuts. Some gun people are nuts and they hurt people. some camera people are nuts and they don't hurt people. That's it in a nutshell.

BC
 
Evrim,

You can carry that argument a bit farther by saying that if each family had their own nuclear weapon that the "Mutually Assured Destruction" phrase would apply where if they are attacked the unleashing of the family nuke would assure the destruction of both parties and there would never be any crime and it would be so much safer for everyone. Equally ridiculous.

BC
 
Bruce Conner said:
I went to a gun show this weekend (USA midwest) and decided to take
along my new 10D to do some shots of two models that were supposed
to be working a booth there. The crowd was moderate and many had
guns with them to sell or trade. I bought my ticket and then they
wouldn't let me in because I had a camera! WOW! When did cameras
become more dangerous than a redneck with an assualt rifle?
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Rules for carrying cameras in public will become clearer soon. All cameras will require a carry permit from local authorities. Lenses longer than 100MM will require a Federal License.
 
I don't foam at the mouth and I believe that Americans have the right to own weapons. But if the owner of a bar were to ask me to leave my gun in the car I wouldn't complain. In fact, I wouldn't hang out in a bar where the guys all had guns tucked in their belts. When you run a retail business you create an atmosphere that pleases the customer. If somebody had walked into my bicycle shop in San Francisco and started photographing the customers I would have thrown him out. Anybody who walked in with a gun would also be thrown out. So I don't see that it is about freedom at all. There is the issue of freedom and there is the issue of business.

Americans are loosing fundamental rights in the name of fighting terrorism. At the same time we are about to enter a war supported by 3% of the population. It's good for our politicians to keep in mind that there are citizens out there capable of defending themselves. Just because there are lunatics and criminals with guns one shouldn't forget that there are fundamental reasons why private gun ownership is important.

Zidar
Alaska

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Bruce Conner said:
I went to a gun show this weekend...I bought my ticket and then they
wouldn't let me in because I had a camera! WOW! When did cameras
become more dangerous than a redneck with an assualt rifle?
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That ain't nothin' - my GROCERY STORE CHAIN bans taking pictures inside the store - they don't worry about camera cases but if you make pictures (not flash, just pix) they stop you. I never tried but I understand most Malls ban picture-taking, too. And you have to get a permit to use a tripod in Central Park in NYC...or at least you used to.
 
Nuts with guns might.
KP
Bruce Conner said:
Ken,

I don't believe in banning guns but I don't believe in banning
cameras either. What is next, shoot the camera guys because they
are so dangerous? Kill the messenger.

I find this stance irrational. Nitrate fumes must kill brain cells.

BC
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29 lbs. of Canon stuff in a backpack that I carry everywhere. A closet full of things that are banned in Britain. A minivan and a Fender Stratocaster. A three bedroom ranch with three owls on an acre. An aversion to rumours. Also, absolutely no Canon 1200mm f/5.6. Yet.
 
A gun will take care of a dog. And you can't get those at K-Mart any more. ;)
Brian P. Warner said:
HOWEVER I don't think getting a dog is the answer. They are easily
bypassed and disposed of if you want access to a home. You can
purchase at your local K-Mart all the materials needed to get
passed a dog.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
if you rent a public building for a wedding or bachelor party or whatever you feel that anyone with a camera should be able to come in and take pictures
 
Gun people have never "banned" cameras from the general public. They simply don't want them at the gun shows. Likewise, many gun shows don't want ammunition to be sold there, either.

Other people, on the other hand, want to ban guns NOT ONLY at their own private gatherings (which may be open to the public), they want to ban guns completely.

I haven't seen any "gun nuts" calling for "camera control" or "camera bans" nation-wide.

You are free to ban guns at a camera show if you wish.
Bruce Conner said:
Gun freedom proponents foam at the mouth at any notion that there
should be any controls on weapons. They even make and sell targets
of people who oppose them (Clintons etc. or percieved liberals).
All in the name of freedom. But in the same name of freedom they
ban cameras. Now how many people have been killed in the last
century by cameras? Maybe none? And how many poeple have been
killed by irresponsible gun owners? Thousands, tens of thousands?
Now most gun owners are responsible, until they become
irresponsible and then someone might be dead or maimed. When a
photographer becomes irresponsible with his camera someone might
become embarrased or famous. The only thing that is worse than
people talking about you is them not talking about you.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
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