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Especially when they're selling M16 upper receivers at a gun show.

In all fairness, when you rent a building to put on a trade fair of any sort you are allowed to make the rules. I have no problem with that. I've been in situations where I needed to shoot a photo and I've gone to the head guy. Either they gave me the OK or they explained why they didn't want me shooting pictures. The only exception was an Amway convention in Portland. I was chased around by off-duty LA cops with their guns drawn. Three of them were arrested by the Portland police. I overheard one Portland officer say "Yeah? Well that doesn't mean you're a cop in Portland."

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Unless your job was to be a photographer, wasn't it forbidden to carry a camera or a diary (at least in the field) back then?
Bruce Conner said:
I went to a gun show this weekend (USA midwest) and decided to take
along my new 10D to do some shots of two models that were supposed
to be working a booth there. The crowd was moderate and many had
guns with them to sell or trade. I bought my ticket and then they
wouldn't let me in because I had a camera! WOW! When did cameras
become more dangerous than a redneck with an assualt rifle? Our
society is seriously psychotic. 100,000 square feet of guns with
half of them being military and I had the most dangerous weapon.
What is next a special "carry permit" for a pocket camera? I
carried a camera everywhere in Vietnam in 1969 and no one thought
that pictures were a security risk.

BC
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Thomas Gardner said:
Sorry. Doesn't work that way. It doesn't matter who does the
renting. Once the rental agreement is signed, standard
leasing/rental agreements apply. Public venue or not.
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It might not affect the current event, but it could affect how future contracts are written.

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Well, they can be checked easier than a dog, I'm sure. LOL.

Or, you can buy a new one wherever you fly to (maybe not in CA), then have it shipped back to you once you're done with it.
JohnM said:
I'm not sure I would want to try flying with gun these days....
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Yes, we have police.

And, fortunately, they're not ALWAYS around EVERYWHERE you go.

Their main job is to "clean up" after the fact, and do the investigation required to bring the bad guys to justice.

So, I guess if you're dead, you can rest assured that the police are doing their darndest to find your killers.

But police are rarely present when somebody is being mugged.
Andreas Steiner said:
Don't you have police over
there? How fücked üp must US socity be if you have to defend your
property yourself with guns and dogs? Hearing that, would kind of
future society is the US planning for Iraq????
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the percentage of people who own guns in your country is very very high. So, that being the case, you are a hypocritical @sshole. Ha Ha !!

Jerry
Andreas Steiner said:
Member said:
I'm not part of the anti-gun crowd, but it's foolish to think guns
are having a positive influence on our society.
If you need to protect your home, get a dog or two (not a viscious
one). Any police officer will tell you criminals fear dogs more
than anything.
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As you probably know, I'm not a US citizen. I'm really lost when I
hear about the whole US gun issue, and this dog issue you are
emtnioning is even more confusing: Don't you have police over
there? How fücked üp must US socity be if you have to defend your
property yourself with guns and dogs? Hearing that, would kind of
future society is the US planning for Iraq????

...if it wouldn't cost so much grieve, it would outright funny...
Andi

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i used to go to my brother in law's house who had a pitbull with no fear but to my uncle's apartement who had 2 siameses I never even dared to go wether he was there or not. I am a cat people but these siameses were demons. But then my persians would actualy help a robber so ...
DavidP said:
I'm serious.

Check out THIS cat

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4632746

Would YOU want to come near anybody with a cat like that?

Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

;)

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Gaetan J.
 
According to the old roman empire a free man, a citizen, is someone who can carry a weapon. All else are slaves.

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Gaetan J.
 
The truth is that is not that dangerous in the US & the vast majority of people don't need to pack weapons.

Dade County in Florida passed a law where anyone could carry a gun as long as it wasn't concelled. Some clown robbed a bank & citizens chased him in his car. One of the citizens shot the robber, but then another passing citizen shot the shooter. The law didn't last long.

If your going to US bash you may want to look back at Europe's recent history. Croatia & Bosnia would be part of of greater Serbia if the US didn't step in. Europe wouldn't accomplish the task & it's in your backyard.

I am a little Swiss & I am embarreased by your countries continuing to profit from the genocide of the second world war. Your banks also profit heavily from other criminal activities.

Before you bash the USA, why don't you focus on your own problems.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
 
I'm sure the main reason for this is customer privacy. A lot of stores will not let you enter with a camera. Clubs, concerts and other private venues usually won't let you enter with a professional looking camera - unless you have a press pass.

Since this is private - you had to pay to get in, and it's on private property... I'm sure they are pretty tight on cameras.

I seriously doubt it's a "security risk." If they told you that, that's prob. a guard who didn't know better. This is nothing new to private venues... It's quite common for people to be asked to leave if they enter a live (pay per view) concert with a professional camera and no press pass.
Bruce Conner said:
I went to a gun show this weekend (USA midwest) and decided to take
along my new 10D to do some shots of two models that were supposed
to be working a booth there. The crowd was moderate and many had
guns with them to sell or trade. I bought my ticket and then they
wouldn't let me in because I had a camera! WOW! When did cameras
become more dangerous than a redneck with an assualt rifle? Our
society is seriously psychotic. 100,000 square feet of guns with
half of them being military and I had the most dangerous weapon.
What is next a special "carry permit" for a pocket camera? I
carried a camera everywhere in Vietnam in 1969 and no one thought
that pictures were a security risk.

BC
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Well now that this is throughougly off topic.... hehe

First of all almost anything is a weapon. More people die from car accidents each year then the casualties of the Vietnam war. Not only death... most crimes are commited with the aid of a car. Does that mean cars should be otulawed or only allowed in the top 10% of the population? Cars do have a redeeming value - they are transportation. Weapons do have redeeming value as well - they offer a feeling of safety to the holder (might be a false feeling, but for many that's worth it's weight in gold.)

Violent crimes (of passion, sexual assult and the like) are in many cases commited with bladed weapons. Close combat is not often done with guns. Are knives to be outlawed as well?

I don't own a gun... and it's not my thing. But you can portray any item in a bad light or good light, just by looking at it with fear or respect. If you don't understand it, you fear it. If you have never handled a gun you are probably more prone to fear it.... just like a South American indiginous indian might fear a car.
Evrim said:
So you are saying world will be a safer place if everybody has guns?

Sorry but how can you portray a weapon in a good light? Weapons are
made to kill living beings - how can that be good?

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Did a cop actually tell you this? This sounds like standard propaganda. A normal criminal in the states will not fear a dog. A guy down my street had dogs protecting his house... turns out he was growing pot. Were the crooks who broke in and stole his stash and all his cash afraid of the dog? Nope. They just killed them with poison. How easy is that to bypass?

Poison on meat = dead dog.

People don't even pay attention to dog barks anymore (in the city at least.)

Will a gun be any better? Prob not. Reality is, the only security you can have comes from inside your head and heart. When you are prepared to die, and have no fetters to this world... you don't fear a criminal, or death. But for some they need a dog. For others they need a gun. I don't see any harm in either if helps y ou through the night.
Bern Caughey said:
I'm not part of the anti-gun crowd, but it's foolish to think guns
are having a positive influence on our society.

If you need to protect your home, get a dog or two (not a viscious
one). Any police officer will tell you criminals fear dogs more
than anything. If you want to protect your equipment investment on
location, get insurance.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
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I hear you.

Personally I would do the same.

HOWEVER I don't think getting a dog is the answer. They are easily bypassed and disposed of if you want access to a home. You can purchase at your local K-Mart all the materials needed to get passed a dog.
Bern Caughey said:
in order to protect it's owners & criminals know it. You don't need
a pitbull, as a happy-go-lucky lab will do. A only have mongrels &
believe me, no one sneaks anywhere near our home & they could never
get inside.

Nothing ends a standoff between the police & perp quicker than a
dog. Criminals have learned from the police & even crack houses are
often protected by dogs.

It's a personel decision, but I wouldn't carry a gun. I used to be
a PJ & I've had some dicey assignments, but I never packed a
weapon. Later in life I drove alone through the LA riots in an open
top jeep photographing it with a Pentax 67. I was offered a handgun
ahead of time, but I declined.

Regards,
Bern Caughey
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50/1.4,

I wasn't an infantry cib but I had friends that were and they had photos. We bought cameras in the PX and went everywhere with them. At night we had them on perimeter guard 20 miles or so from the dmz. It was supposedly a rule that in WWII frontline infantry shouldn't have cameras but Dad said nearly everyone did. They used captured bulk film and under a couple of army blankets cut a rolled it to fit into the cameras. He had a lot of pictures and he was a on watercooled machine gun crew and his unit was first across Siegfried and first into Germany. He carried a Leica IIIf or G in his pocket all though Germany and Austria. So much for rules.

BC
 
Brian,

It was at the state fairgrounds supported by taxpayer money. Open to the public but with and admission fee.

BC
 
Even if guns were demonstrably more dangerous than other risks we take everyday if would still be a risk worth taking. Guns are important to our freedoms. Our founding fathers thought so and with good reason.
ihadababyitzaboy said:
I realize this is hard to fathom for you. If I had the media
telling me guns are bad guns are dangerous every 5 seconds I
wouldnt believe it either.

You can choose any other object in the house or garage and
according to statistics it kills more people than guns. When the
media talks about kids that die from guns they are lumping in gang
members under 21. That accounts for about 92% of the "kids"
statistics.

I think they should ban alcohol it kills 60,000 people per year in
car accidents alone. My father was killed by a drunk driver. If you
then take all the medical related deaths from alcohol it would run
into the millions.

If you then take all the crime perpetrated while people are drunk
it would run into the hundreds of million more likely billions.

If you really care about something jump on the anti-alcohol bandwagon.

Oh by the way did the media tell you more kids drown in pools or
for that matter more kids down in 5 gallon buckets then are shot by
guns.

I have been shooting (targets) since I was 7 yo. I have never
"killed" anyone. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens keeps
this society safe. Dont belive me look at any country where guns
are banned.

Look at Australia or England and the signifcant rise in all areas
of crime as soo as they banned guns. Austrailas crime rate went up
somewhere in the range or 30%. Thats 30% more ****, murder, home
invasion etc.

Law abiding citizens are by nature law abiding. Criminals are by
nature law breakers. Therefore if you disarm one the other will
thrive.

The victims will be the law abiders.

I could talk for hours but I need to go car jack someone with my
evil black rifle. :)
Bruce Conner said:
I went to a gun show this weekend (USA midwest) and decided to take
along my new 10D to do some shots of two models that were supposed
to be working a booth there. The crowd was moderate and many had
guns with them to sell or trade. I bought my ticket and then they
wouldn't let me in because I had a camera! WOW! When did cameras
become more dangerous than a redneck with an assualt rifle? Our
society is seriously psychotic. 100,000 square feet of guns with
half of them being military and I had the most dangerous weapon.
What is next a special "carry permit" for a pocket camera? I
carried a camera everywhere in Vietnam in 1969 and no one thought
that pictures were a security risk.

BC
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Andreas Steiner said:
That's exactly what I ment with my comment "beyond your
understanding of fair and balanced": You cannot justify Hiroshima
morally by "netting" it with the killings that "led" to it: One
dead on each side doesn't create a tie. That's pure nonsense from a
moral point of view, and - much more important - doesn't make sense
at all in the "normal" life of a "normal" person.
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I guess then I'll put it in a simpler way. Don't come gunning for US. Why? Because if you come gunning for US, we'll finish the job.

Maybe that's simpler for you to understand the U.S. thinking. Leave us alone. And if you don't then anything that happens to you, you deserve.

Now that's moral.
Member said:
I'm not the greatest catholic, but the bible contains some very,
very basic and extremly accurate descriptions of human nature. More
importanly, the bible is one of the cornerstone of what we
Westerners call "civilized" society; "revenge" is definitly not a
value in our culture, on the contrary - as an Indian neatly
summarized the most important part of the New Testimony: "Eye for
Eye, Makes the World Go Blind". Jesus didn't beat the Romans on the
battlefield... ...although I'm sure the Pentagon would tell you
that they actually have evidence that would acutally proove the
contrary... ...thanks to the French, the civilised world is spared
that b&llsh1t in a UN Securty Coouncil meeting...
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Wow! That's all I can say about what you posted above. Jesus never beat the Romans. Jesus never beat anybody. Jesus was given a job to do by dear ole Dad and he did that job, nothing more.
 
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