Help..shot with 1GB Microdrive, No images appear in computer

Tony Rawlings · Sep 21, 2000

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Ron Reznick · Sep 21, 2000

The drive should show up as a Removable Disk when in your CF reader. There should be a folder tree, with the images in there. Is that not the case?

Ron

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings · Sep 21, 2000

Ron,

Thanks for your info.

It doesn't show any folders.

Typically, with the DCS 620, there are two folders on the card.

However, with this 1 GB card, no folders appear in Explorer...as if the card is empty. If I were to put the card back into the camera, pictures will appear.

I'm really confused about this.

Thanks.

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Richard Parkinson · Sep 21, 2000

Check to see if the folder is hidden for some reason, make sure your Windows settings are set to show hidden and system files.

Tony Rawlings said:
Thanks for your info.

It doesn't show any folders.

Typically, with the DCS 620, there are two folders on the card.

However, with this 1 GB card, no folders appear in Explorer...as if the
card is empty. If I were to put the card back into the camera, pictures
will appear.

I'm really confused about this.

Thanks.

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Tony Rawlings26461 · Sep 21, 2000

My Explorer setting is to "show all hidden files."

This is really not making sense.

I thought someone had posted similar problem on this board?

Thanks

Richard Parkinson said:
Tony Rawlings said:

Thanks for your info.

It doesn't show any folders.

Typically, with the DCS 620, there are two folders on the card.

However, with this 1 GB card, no folders appear in Explorer...as if the
card is empty. If I were to put the card back into the camera, pictures
will appear.

I'm really confused about this.

Thanks.

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Paul Caldwell · Sep 21, 2000

Couple of questions.

1.. Have you used eariler versions of the microdrive and have they worked OK, i.e. 170mb or 340mb.

2. What is your O/S win95 or 98.

3. How are you attempting to communicate with your computer with the microrie , firewire,USB reader, etc.

4. Do you see anything in explorer at All, i.e. a drive letter for the microdrive just nothing under it or is it not there at all.

If you don't mind to answer these, I can recommend some solutions.

Thanks

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings26461 · Sep 21, 2000

Paul Caldwell said:
Couple of questions.

1.. Have you used eariler versions of the microdrive and have they
worked OK, i.e. 170mb or 340mb.

Yes I've used 340 mb....no problems

Paul Caldwell said:
2. What is your O/S win95 or 98.

98 OS

Paul Caldwell said:
3. How are you attempting to communicate with your computer with the
microrie , firewire,USB reader, etc.

Laptop....PCMCIA slot.

Paul Caldwell said:
4. Do you see anything in explorer at All, i.e. a drive letter for the
microdrive just nothing under it or is it not there at all.

Yes, I see the drive with a drive letter.

Thanks Paul.

Tony

Paul Caldwell said:
If you don't mind to answer these, I can recommend some solutions.

Thanks

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Stan Disbrow · Sep 21, 2000

Tony,

The similar problems I've seen have to do with not finding D1 shots in either the camera or the PC. The subdirectory gets messed up and requires a little repair (usually from Norton Utilities). You've got a 620, and I've not heard about those having that particular bug.

To see if there is a subdirectory (folder) problem:

Left Click on: My Computer
Right Click on: the drive Icon (whatever letter it happens to be)
Right or Left Click on: Properties

You should see a pie chart that shows you the used space and the open space on that drive letter. If there's data in files on the drive, then you'll have some space used (figure out the number of shots x the file size the camera uses and you'll have a decent estimate of what's supposed to be there).

If there are no shots on the drive, then the used space slice of pie is very, very small compared to the unused slice of pie.

If the subdirectory tree isn't showing up in the drive contents listing, but there is a significant amount of space used on the microdrive, then you've got a hosed subdirectory entry. Use Norton Utilities to correct the problem. Perhaps there are restricted characters in the folder name or something like that, too.

Personally, I don't think you have this problem. The camera finds the shots. To do that, it needs to find picture files in the proper subdirectory the camera is programmed to look for. When the D1 fouls this up, it can't find the shots, either, and that's a dead giveaway as to what's wrong.

On the other hand, if your drive is mounting, but Properties shows it to be unused space, then you're fighting a communications and/or a compatability problem between the MD and your PC.

Stan

Tony Rawlings said:
My Explorer setting is to "show all hidden files."

This is really not making sense.

I thought someone had posted similar problem on this board?

Thanks

Tony Rawlings26461 · Sep 21, 2000

Stan,

Thank you for the great info.

I am going to take your advice to check the properties.

I have not run into this problem with my other Microdrives (340).

Any additional info would be helpful.

Thanks.

Tony Rawlings

Stan Disbrow said:
The similar problems I've seen have to do with not finding D1 shots in
either the camera or the PC. The subdirectory gets messed up and
requires a little repair (usually from Norton Utilities). You've got a
620, and I've not heard about those having that particular bug.

To see if there is a subdirectory (folder) problem:

Left Click on: My Computer
Right Click on: the drive Icon (whatever letter it happens to be)
Right or Left Click on: Properties

You should see a pie chart that shows you the used space and the open
space on that drive letter. If there's data in files on the drive, then
you'll have some space used (figure out the number of shots x the file
size the camera uses and you'll have a decent estimate of what's
supposed to be there).

If there are no shots on the drive, then the used space slice of pie is
very, very small compared to the unused slice of pie.

If the subdirectory tree isn't showing up in the drive contents listing,
but there is a significant amount of space used on the microdrive, then
you've got a hosed subdirectory entry. Use Norton Utilities to correct
the problem. Perhaps there are restricted characters in the folder name
or something like that, too.

Personally, I don't think you have this problem. The camera finds the
shots. To do that, it needs to find picture files in the proper
subdirectory the camera is programmed to look for. When the D1 fouls
this up, it can't find the shots, either, and that's a dead giveaway as
to what's wrong.

On the other hand, if your drive is mounting, but Properties shows it to
be unused space, then you're fighting a communications and/or a
compatability problem between the MD and your PC.

Stan

Tony Rawlings said:

My Explorer setting is to "show all hidden files."

This is really not making sense.

I thought someone had posted similar problem on this board?

Thanks

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Matt McMillan · Sep 21, 2000

Hey Tony,

Still shooting the Angels?

How many photos are showing up in the camera? Hope not from a full night at the ballgame.

Is it showing up under "My computer"? If so, how much memory is used/left on the card? Did you Format in camera, or on the computer? Are the folders showing up in the camera? Any extra folders?

We had something similiar happen once, but it was OE. I took the card out as it was still writing to the card. When I put the card back in the camera, I couldn't see the pictures. Panicked, I took it to the lab, couldn't see the pictures, even more panicked, stuck it back in the camera, no pictures in Folder 1, took a coupla quick snaps, saw them in the camera, put it in the computer, all the pictures were there. I know this is more than likely a different situation, but if you can see the pics on the camera, it's not a total loss yet.

If you figure it out first, let me know how, I might run into this problem myself sometime. I'd also like to know how the 340s are working w/the 620.
Have you gone to all micro-drives?

Matt

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings26461 · Sep 21, 2000

Matt,

Yes, I still shoot the Angels. Hockey season is starting soon so I'll be shooting the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

Here's what's happening:

I see images in the camera.
I don't see folders or images in the laptop, PCMCIA.
I can save files on the Microdrive from the laptop.

For some reason the laptop doesn't see the folders or files on the card created by the 620.

Come to think of it, I've never used the 340 on the 620, only on the D1.

I've been using the Calluna 540 on my 620, without problems.

I will test the 340 Microdrive on the 620 and see if it works.

Thanks for your info.

Keep in touch.

Tony Rawlings

matt said:
Still shooting the Angels?

How many photos are showing up in the camera? Hope not from a full
night at the ballgame.

Is it showing up under "My computer"? If so, how much memory is
used/left on the card? Did you Format in camera, or on the computer?
Are the folders showing up in the camera? Any extra folders?

We had something similiar happen once, but it was OE. I took the card
out as it was still writing to the card. When I put the card back in
the camera, I couldn't see the pictures. Panicked, I took it to the
lab, couldn't see the pictures, even more panicked, stuck it back in the
camera, no pictures in Folder 1, took a coupla quick snaps, saw them in
the camera, put it in the computer, all the pictures were there. I know
this is more than likely a different situation, but if you can see the
pics on the camera, it's not a total loss yet.

If you figure it out first, let me know how, I might run into this
problem myself sometime. I'd also like to know how the 340s are working
w/the 620.
Have you gone to all micro-drives?

Matt

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Matt McMillan · Sep 21, 2000

Tony,

We don't use laptops so forgive my stupidity, can you boot with a card in the card slot? If so, try that. Another thing you might try, is going into DOS and see if you can see the files.
We're still using Callunas, no problems.
Are you using the D1 during the day, and the 620 at night?

Matt

Tony Rawlings said:
Matt,

Yes, I still shoot the Angels. Hockey season is starting soon so I'll
be shooting the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

Here's what's happening:

I see images in the camera.
I don't see folders or images in the laptop, PCMCIA.
I can save files on the Microdrive from the laptop.

For some reason the laptop doesn't see the folders or files on the card
created by the 620.

Come to think of it, I've never used the 340 on the 620, only on the D1.

I've been using the Calluna 540 on my 620, without problems.

I will test the 340 Microdrive on the 620 and see if it works.

Thanks for your info.

Keep in touch.

Tony Rawlings

andrzej · Sep 22, 2000

Just a thought.

Since the MD is 1 Gig, maybe some hidden setting in windows will not recognize such a large secondary drive???
Were you ever able to read this drive through your laptop?
I use same setup but with CF only and it works great.
Andrzej

PS
Can you download the photos the archaic way (cable to camera)?

Ron Reznick said:
Ron

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Roy Feldman · Sep 22, 2000

When I put my 1 gig into my big computer the card acted normally, when I put it into my laptop it had to go into a "recognize new hardware cycle" and load its own driver.

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Stephen Erf · Sep 22, 2000

Tony:

I recall seeing something a while back where someone ran "scandisk" (sp?) on the microdrive and it fixed a file error that was interfering with seeing the good files. I'm using a 1GB with no problems yet, so I have not had to try this tip. Sounds like it should work as the MD is just a hard drvie.

Steve

Tony Rawlings said:
Thank you for the great info.

I am going to take your advice to check the properties.

I have not run into this problem with my other Microdrives (340).

Any additional info would be helpful.

Thanks.

Tony Rawlings

Stan Disbrow said:

The similar problems I've seen have to do with not finding D1 shots in
either the camera or the PC. The subdirectory gets messed up and
requires a little repair (usually from Norton Utilities). You've got a
620, and I've not heard about those having that particular bug.

To see if there is a subdirectory (folder) problem:

Left Click on: My Computer
Right Click on: the drive Icon (whatever letter it happens to be)
Right or Left Click on: Properties

You should see a pie chart that shows you the used space and the open
space on that drive letter. If there's data in files on the drive, then
you'll have some space used (figure out the number of shots x the file
size the camera uses and you'll have a decent estimate of what's
supposed to be there).

If there are no shots on the drive, then the used space slice of pie is
very, very small compared to the unused slice of pie.

If the subdirectory tree isn't showing up in the drive contents listing,
but there is a significant amount of space used on the microdrive, then
you've got a hosed subdirectory entry. Use Norton Utilities to correct
the problem. Perhaps there are restricted characters in the folder name
or something like that, too.

Personally, I don't think you have this problem. The camera finds the
shots. To do that, it needs to find picture files in the proper
subdirectory the camera is programmed to look for. When the D1 fouls
this up, it can't find the shots, either, and that's a dead giveaway as
to what's wrong.

On the other hand, if your drive is mounting, but Properties shows it to
be unused space, then you're fighting a communications and/or a
compatability problem between the MD and your PC.

Stan

Tony Rawlings said:

My Explorer setting is to "show all hidden files."

This is really not making sense.

I thought someone had posted similar problem on this board?

Thanks

Click to expand...

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Stan Disbrow · Sep 22, 2000

Hi,

There used to be a problem with the size of the FAT when it was still 12-bits in length. If you went over 512MB, you had to use the 13th bit that wasn't there. When that happened, you toggled back to the beginning and started overwriting data on the drive.

All versions of Windows (95, 98 NT, etc) use 16-bit FAT these days, so I don't think this is the problem. UNLESS there is some such limitation in the driver for the PCMCIA card. Win 95 and 98 have different drivers than NT, which is what I use on everything that's not still running OS/2 (my server machines are still OS/2 - Hey! no laughing out there!!) or Linux. SO, I'm not going to be much help in that department.

This is getting frustrating (imagine how it is for Tony!). It makes me want to pop over to Tony's and start (w)hacking on his OS.....

Stan

andrzej said:
Just a thought.
Since the MD is 1 Gig, maybe some hidden setting in windows will not
recognize such a large secondary drive???
Were you ever able to read this drive through your laptop?
I use same setup but with CF only and it works great.
Andrzej

Stan Disbrow · Sep 22, 2000

Hi,

Scandisk is the Windows freebie tool for playing with this kind of file troubles. It's not as sophisticated as Norton's is, and doesn't give you much in the way of feedback. Also, I never really trusted it to work properly every time and tend to stay far away from it. I've had many file mess-ups over the years and it was a rare instance when I couldn't fix things using Norton's.

I have even less faith in scandisk when it comes to playing with a PCMCIA attached hardfile. There's several layers of BIOS and software driver 'glue' cementing this into the system, and scandisk might have routines that attempt to directly access the drive, since it was written to deal with main bus attached drives.

Perhaps my lack of faith is unwarranted, but there it is........

You are right, though, in that the MD should mount up and work just like any other hardfile in the system.

Stan

Steve said:
Tony:

I recall seeing something a while back where someone ran "scandisk"
(sp?) on the microdrive and it fixed a file error that was interfering
with seeing the good files. I'm using a 1GB with no problems yet, so I
have not had to try this tip. Sounds like it should work as the MD is
just a hard drvie.

Steve

Stan Disbrow · Sep 22, 2000

Tony,

I thought I'd put out a bit of bad news for you. One of my friends has two different brands (no name ones) of notebook PC's. Both run the same level of the same 3rd party BIOS and the same revision of Win 98 2nd edition. One of the notebooks works fine with my 340MB MD's (haven't acquired a 1GB - yet). The other one will not, no matter what we do in the way of drivers.

What is odd is that the one that doesn't work will read and write my 128MB CF card. What I wind up doing if he's got the bad PC with him is move my shots off the MD onto my PC and then load the ones he likes onto the CF card so he can read them! This is a royal pain!

Just food for thought.....

Stan

Tony Rawlings said:
I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

Tony Rawlings26461 · Sep 22, 2000

Stan,

Thanks for your info.

Here's what I found out:

The 340 MD works fine. However, both of my laptops will not see the folders with the 1 GB MD. The laptops see the drive and I can save things on it. But when I shoot images on the drive, the laptops do not see the folders created by the camera.

However, under properties, Explorer indicate space being used by the images.

Also, under properties it recognizes that its a 1gb drive.

Now I am really really confused.

I am going to look for a driver on IBM's site.

Thanks.

Tony

Stan Disbrow said:
I thought I'd put out a bit of bad news for you. One of my friends has
two different brands (no name ones) of notebook PC's. Both run the same
level of the same 3rd party BIOS and the same revision of Win 98 2nd
edition. One of the notebooks works fine with my 340MB MD's (haven't
acquired a 1GB - yet). The other one will not, no matter what we do in
the way of drivers.

What is odd is that the one that doesn't work will read and write my
128MB CF card. What I wind up doing if he's got the bad PC with him is
move my shots off the MD onto my PC and then load the ones he likes onto
the CF card so he can read them! This is a royal pain!

Just food for thought.....

Stan

Tony Rawlings said:

I shoot with the DCS 620.

The first time I shot with 1 GB microdrive, the images don't show up in
Windows Explorer. However, it does show up in the camera.

Your help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony Rawlings

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Stan Disbrow · Sep 22, 2000

Tony,

That seems to be the right direction to head in. It's really odd that the PC's see the 620's folders (and shot files) on the 340, but not on the 1GB. This sounds like it has to be a driver related problem of some kind.....

Stan

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