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Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus? Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping hand here to the dumb and dumber here.

Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
 
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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I haven't got a 1D but would assume that it works analogously to my D7's multi-focus system.

45 little boxes would be a bit much to have on the screen, so you probably can just shift the point of focus around the screen with whatever the control is , more than likely the arrow buttons and then just the point you have chosen will be highlighted.
Regards,
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DaveMart
 
It is just like the 1Ds - see the review on this site

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1ds/page4.asp
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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Randy Prade
Aurora, CO
 
It varies among AF camera models whether you see the focus points (the little boxes, as you call them) when they are not active.

With Canon EOS models, some have the boxes engraved on the focusing screen and in others they are projected onto the screen. When a focusing point achieves focus, it lights up in red. Sometimes more than one focusing point achieves focus at the same time.

The EOS-1V, EOS-3, EOS-1D and EOS-IDs use the 45-point area focusing system in which groups of focusing points will illuminate at the same time. When the AF system is not active, you won't see any focusing points. Since the brightness varies depending upon the ambient lighting, under some circumstances, you may see some of the faint unlit rectangles.

With Canon's latest amateur camera, the Rebel Ti, you can see all of the rectangles all the time and when a focusing point achieves focus, a small red point in the rectangle illuminates. So you can see how it varies among brands and models.

Bill
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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Geeze, so much guessing going on... In one-shot multi-AF mode you will see the active 7-11 boxes light up briefly or blink at half-press on the shutter. In continuous multi, you may or may not see them light up prior to exposure, but they are working. In one-shot single the active point you've selected will light up. In continuous single you will see the active point light up also. BUT, BUT, BUT! ALL or SOME of these can be disabled or dimmed with the CF settings in the camera! So, as always, when in doubt read the manual carefully!

Cheers,

Jack
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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Ok this first picture is with one focus point in the center.
Metering set to Center spot metering



This picture is using all of the focus points selected
Metering set to Center spot metering.
Shouldn't the whole picture be in focus ?
is the camera only focusing on what is inside of the large ring
where the focus points are viewing?
I can increase the f stop to 8 or higher - I just thought the whole
picture should be in focus since all of the focus points are set.



Thanks

--
Mr & Mrs. Digital Crazy
 
what aperture, and how close is the subject to you?.....unless you're using the appropriate f stop, for the greatest depth of field, of course your not going to have everything in focus........first slr?

--

stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS, 550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001
 
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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what ever it is, it is way beyond you.
Paul R Greenleaf said:
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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I am referring to not everything being in focus that actually show up in the viewfinder from left to right. I understand that from front to back there will be a difference in focus depending on the f stop.

My difficulty is say you take a picture of the dog and you wnat his whole body in focus. I am getting the dogs nose or only part of the dog in focus. I am not worried about what is behind him but when I look through the viewfinder azt my dog I want whatever of the dog that I see in theviewfinder to be focused. Make sense?
randy corbin said:
what aperture, and how close is the subject to you?.....unless
you're using the appropriate f stop, for the greatest depth of
field, of course your not going to have everything in
focus........first slr?

--
stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS,
550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001
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--
Mr & Mrs. Digital Crazy
 
DigitalCrazy said:
I am referring to not everything being in focus that actually show
up in the viewfinder from left to right. I understand that from
front to back there will be a difference in focus depending on the
f stop.
My difficulty is say you take a picture of the dog and you wnat his
whole body in focus. I am getting the dogs nose or only part of
the dog in focus. I am not worried about what is behind him but
when I look through the viewfinder azt my dog I want whatever of
the dog that I see in theviewfinder to be focused. Make sense?
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You should do a search on the web about “depth of field”. Unless your dog is as thin and as flat as a sheet of paper and also perpendicular to your camera, a part of its body will not be in focus when shooting with a shallow depth of field.

--
Ray
 
sure he might've been a bit more "diplomatic" in the way he said it, but he is still right...

it sounds like you maybe in over your head with this camera... i'd suggest starting with the basics for now...

here's a must read that i think would greatly benefit you, and hopefully will stop you from posting questions on topics that should be considered the absolute basics for an owner of a camera as advanced as 1D...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0792274989/qid=1047742850/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-8735165-3897463?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

when you're done with that one, pick up something a bit more advanced...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130282715/qid=1047743087/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/103-8735165-3897463

read and learn the basics, before asking questions that will embarass you on these forums... you're not a 10D owner, you're a 1D owner... basically what you own is the "porsche" of digital cameras, so you better learn how to drive a stick...
Paul R Greenleaf said:
Paul R Greenleaf said:
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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to ask why everything is not in focus even though you use 45 pt AF on your 1D.

Plus, it would be easier and more pleasant for us than your reading the manual or Photography for Dummies.

"there oughta be a law.." - PP
DigitalCrazy said:
Okay. At the risk of knowing that this shows how LITTLE I know and
that many of you will get a good laugh at this quesion I am STILL
going to ask it.

The Nikon D100 as I understand has a 5 pont focus system
The D 30 or D 60 (or both?) Has a 7 point focus system
The Canon EOS 1D has a 45 point focus system

Here is the question: When we used the Nikon D100 and you looked
through the viewfinder there was an arrangement of 5 little boxes.

So I am not sure what the D 30 or D 60 has but

Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain. I am going to be sitting down and
trying to read some in the manual, plus trying to experiment with
it some, along with a million other things I am doing at once and
thought maybe one of you kind souls would LOVE to lend a helping
hand here to the dumb and dumber here.
Think of the bright side also. Maybe in 5 years we will master a
portion of this photography stuff and maybe even have something to
contribute back to this forum. But PLEASE don't hold your breath
at the rate I am going..... I feel like I am looking through a
DARK tunnel and no light peeking through yet............
Thanks in advance to anyone's help!
--
Mrs. Digital Crazy
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You guys should know better than to pounce on someone like that. It's a legitimate question.

I didn't know why you don't see 45 little boxes (heheh) either... can't say I thought about it too much though.

Why? Because I never owned a camera that had that many focusing points.

I've owned a D30 and a D60, plus a bunch of nikon point and shoots. I have a Canon elan IIe film camera which only has 3 focusing points.

BTW, I use view cameras, hasselblads, digital backs up the wazoo ... and while they have no focusing points I manage to handle depth of field pretty good.

The question WAS: why don't you see 45 little boxes, wasn't it?
Pasha said:
it sounds like you maybe in over your head with this camera... i'd
suggest starting with the basics for now...
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Pasha said:
read and learn the basics, before asking questions that will
embarass you on these forums... you're not a 10D owner, you're a 1D
owner... basically what you own is the "porsche" of digital
cameras, so you better learn how to drive a stick...
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Pasha said:
Pasha said:
Pasha said:
Pasha said:
Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain.
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it was because of this one
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4621244

besides, the focus points and when they should light up and not is extensively covered in the manual...
Lynda Botez said:
I didn't know why you don't see 45 little boxes (heheh) either...
can't say I thought about it too much though.

Why? Because I never owned a camera that had that many focusing
points.

I've owned a D30 and a D60, plus a bunch of nikon point and shoots.
I have a Canon elan IIe film camera which only has 3 focusing
points.

BTW, I use view cameras, hasselblads, digital backs up the wazoo
... and while they have no focusing points I manage to handle depth
of field pretty good.

The question WAS: why don't you see 45 little boxes, wasn't it?
Lynda Botez said:
it sounds like you maybe in over your head with this camera... i'd
suggest starting with the basics for now...
Click to expand...
Lynda Botez said:
read and learn the basics, before asking questions that will
embarass you on these forums... you're not a 10D owner, you're a 1D
owner... basically what you own is the "porsche" of digital
cameras, so you better learn how to drive a stick...
Click to expand...
Lynda Botez said:
Lynda Botez said:
Lynda Botez said:
Lynda Botez said:
Should I be seeing 45 little boxes in the viewfinder when I look
though the viewfinder and press the shutter down half way to focus?
Could someone Please explain.
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Never owned a film camera. We tried a D100 for a short time. With it, when we focused on a subject that was within the 5 boxes(focus points) the whole area stayed in focus REGARDLESS of what the F stop was. So when getting this camera, we thought that at least the area within the focus ring would be more in focus regardless of f stop. (We did have some understanding of the F stop and depth of field. It just seems with this camera (possibly because it has better depth of Field than D100(?) that it is more important to definitely have the F stop at the lenses sweet spot. It is very hard to explain. We are getting great photos with the 50 mm 1/4 EXCEPT not enough light still indoors. A bit still underexposed. Even if we adjust the exposure to + anything. Still testing what to do. Possibly 420 Ex not enough for our indoors.?

However the 100 mm f2.8 macro is a bit trickier. We get the focus we want when F stop is at 16 but then the lighting situation gets worse. I tired manual with the f stop being 16 and going clear to 1/10 and it seemed to improve some but still not right on. Plus Ideally I would need to put it on a tripod when starting to get that slow of a shutter speed. We are using AWB also. Outdoors has been gloomy and gray since we got this with only an occasional blue sky peeking out so we havent had much better chance for decent light outdoors. I have not yet tried increasing the ISO past 200 along with the 1-10 shutter speed and f 16 settings. Maybe that might help with the underexposure. Not sure. Any other ideas for taking snap shots indoors of dog/grandchild playing witha n attached 420 EX and obviously not enough room lighting? Is the 100 MM macro when used indoors mostly used with studio lighting? Maybe we are expecting too much for a great exposure for indoor photos with using just the 420 EX and avaliable room lighting.
Thanks you for your response earlier also.
Mrs. Digital Crazy
randy corbin said:
what aperture, and how close is the subject to you?.....unless
you're using the appropriate f stop, for the greatest depth of
field, of course your not going to have everything in
focus........first slr?

--
stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS,
550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001
Click to expand...
--
Mr & Mrs. Digital Crazy
 
Put the camera into One-Shot AF mode.

Set it so that the camera uses all of the AF points.

Set it so that the AF is controlled with the shutter button.

(These should be the default settings).

Now, when you half-press the shutter, you're going to see SOME (not all) of the AF points light up.

The ones that light up are where the camera is focusing, and should be in focus pretty much regardless of aperture setting (might only be true for f/2.8 and slower, not sure about that).

If you want more of the dog in focus, you will have to stop down the aperture (make the f/number LARGER).

When you do this, your shutter speed will become slower. This may make it difficult to stop camera motion and/or subject motion. The former can be solved with a tripod. Both can be solved by going to higher ISO on the camera. (Which brings its own set of problems, of course).

The shot you showed is an extreme closeup of a dog (he fills the whole frame). It's going to be almost impossible to get the entire dog in focus unless you're stopped all the way down, which means you're going to be using a very slow shuter speed (even at high ISO).

What to do?

Well, get a flash. Now you can set the shutter speed higher (up to 1/500 on the 1D), and use the flash to illuminate the dog.

Of course, this brings about its own set of problems. Which can be solved, of course, with things like soft-boxes or just bouncing the flash.

Welcome to the world of SLR's. I suggest a good book on basic photography.

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Never owned a film camera. We tried a D100 for a short time. With it, when we focused on a subject that was within the 5 boxes(focus points) the whole area stayed in focus REGARDLESS of what the F stop was. So when getting this camera, we thought that at least the area within the focus ring would be more in focus regardless of f stop. (We did have some understanding of the F stop and depth of field. It just seems with this camera (possibly because it has better depth of Field than D100(?) that it is more important to definitely have the F stop at the lenses sweet spot. It is very hard to explain. We are getting great photos with the 50 mm 1/4 EXCEPT not enough light still indoors. A bit still underexposed. Even if we adjust the exposure to + anything. Still testing what to do. Possibly 420 Ex not enough for our indoors.?

However the 100 mm f2.8 macro is a bit trickier. We get the focus we want when F stop is at 16 but then the lighting situation gets worse. I tired manual with the f stop being 16 and going clear to 1/10 and it seemed to improve some but still not right on. Plus Ideally I would need to put it on a tripod when starting to get that slow of a shutter speed. We are using AWB also. Outdoors has been gloomy and gray since we got this with only an occasional blue sky peeking out so we havent had much better chance for decent light outdoors. I have not yet tried increasing the ISO past 200 along with the 1-10 shutter speed and f 16 settings. Maybe that might help with the underexposure. Not sure. Any other ideas for taking snap shots indoors of dog/grandchild playing witha n attached 420 EX and obviously not enough room lighting? Is the 100 MM macro when used indoors mostly used with studio lighting? Maybe we are expecting too much for a great exposure for indoor photos with using just the 420 EX and avaliable room lighting.

Thanks you for your response earlier also.
Mrs. Digital Crazy
DavidP said:
Put the camera into One-Shot AF mode.

Set it so that the camera uses all of the AF points.

Set it so that the AF is controlled with the shutter button.

(These should be the default settings).

Now, when you half-press the shutter, you're going to see SOME (not
all) of the AF points light up.

The ones that light up are where the camera is focusing, and should
be in focus pretty much regardless of aperture setting (might only
be true for f/2.8 and slower, not sure about that).

If you want more of the dog in focus, you will have to stop down
the aperture (make the f/number LARGER).

When you do this, your shutter speed will become slower. This may
make it difficult to stop camera motion and/or subject motion. The
former can be solved with a tripod. Both can be solved by going
to higher ISO on the camera. (Which brings its own set of
problems, of course).

The shot you showed is an extreme closeup of a dog (he fills the
whole frame). It's going to be almost impossible to get the
entire dog in focus unless you're stopped all the way down, which
means you're going to be using a very slow shuter speed (even at
high ISO).

What to do?

Well, get a flash. Now you can set the shutter speed higher (up to
1/500 on the 1D), and use the flash to illuminate the dog.

Of course, this brings about its own set of problems. Which can
be solved, of course, with things like soft-boxes or just bouncing
the flash.

Welcome to the world of SLR's. I suggest a good book on basic
photography.

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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--
Mr & Mrs. Digital Crazy
 
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