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I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to make a living having previously relied almost entirely on Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon 10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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ashley karyl said:
I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to
make a living having previously relied almost entirely on
Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime
lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds
too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know
whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon
10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract
term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour
rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are
fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is
the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am
currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to
keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses
if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't
ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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Ashley,

Megapixels are a subjective issue is right, but about every review you can find will put the S2 at about an 8 MP quality value fwiw. The big gain from the S2 is usable jpegs out of the camera and if you are photographing people the tonal quality is second to none for skin.

Last year I dropped my use of Mamiya MF equipment ( film has been in the freezer since last fall) and started using the Olympus E10 in place of it, either camera you are considering will have more file information than the E10, and it did a great job for me out to 11x14 from native files , larger with interpolation program modification. This year I've gone to the S2, though must admit my original goal was the Canon 1D. But I'm enjoying that easy transformation of jpeg to print without a bunch of post work that possibly only the S2 will give you !

Even with the 10D coming out I think the 1D is still worth a look from a professional standpoint. It has super high iso sharpness and clean images, it is truely a pro body with super accurate and fast AF and if you intend to shoot RAW it includes a great RAW file program for easy downloading on location. The 1D is only a 4 MP camera but it shoots right along side the S2 for resolution partly because of it's larger sensor ( 1.3 magnification). It's a real pro tool and you have the lenses, so an extra $1000 or $1500 for it might make sense.

While the S2 has the best jpegs going right now, it also is built on a rather flimsy body for a camera touted as pro. It takes great images, has a few quirks as all cameras do, but i'm not sure it makes sense for you to buy into this when you have Canon lenses already. THe good glass is going to cost quite a bit and the body itself is most of the way to that 1D cost.

You probably need to get yourself to a pro camera store and handle a few of these rigs. ALso investigate if the glass you have actually will work on the new Canon bodies for sure.

David
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Hi,

I have a friend who uses the D60 and I have the S2. The D60 is a good camera and it's likely the 10D will be better (too new for anyone to know).

On the basis the you have Canon glass you would be best going with the Canon. I went with the S2pro as I have a lot of Nikon glass.

Good luck
Alex
David Grabowski said:
ashley karyl said:
I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to
make a living having previously relied almost entirely on
Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime
lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds
too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know
whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon
10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract
term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour
rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are
fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is
the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am
currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to
keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses
if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't
ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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Ashley,

Megapixels are a subjective issue is right, but about every review
you can find will put the S2 at about an 8 MP quality value fwiw.
The big gain from the S2 is usable jpegs out of the camera and if
you are photographing people the tonal quality is second to none
for skin.

Last year I dropped my use of Mamiya MF equipment ( film has been
in the freezer since last fall) and started using the Olympus E10
in place of it, either camera you are considering will have more
file information than the E10, and it did a great job for me out to
11x14 from native files , larger with interpolation program
modification. This year I've gone to the S2, though must admit my
original goal was the Canon 1D. But I'm enjoying that easy
transformation of jpeg to print without a bunch of post work that
possibly only the S2 will give you !

Even with the 10D coming out I think the 1D is still worth a look
from a professional standpoint. It has super high iso sharpness and
clean images, it is truely a pro body with super accurate and fast
AF and if you intend to shoot RAW it includes a great RAW file
program for easy downloading on location. The 1D is only a 4 MP
camera but it shoots right along side the S2 for resolution partly
because of it's larger sensor ( 1.3 magnification). It's a real pro
tool and you have the lenses, so an extra $1000 or $1500 for it
might make sense.

While the S2 has the best jpegs going right now, it also is built
on a rather flimsy body for a camera touted as pro. It takes great
images, has a few quirks as all cameras do, but i'm not sure it
makes sense for you to buy into this when you have Canon lenses
already. THe good glass is going to cost quite a bit and the body
itself is most of the way to that 1D cost.

You probably need to get yourself to a pro camera store and handle
a few of these rigs. ALso investigate if the glass you have
actually will work on the new Canon bodies for sure.

David
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Alex
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Any camera will work fine for you.

Most PROs go with a Fuji S2. You can see that in the PRO DIGI Talk forum.

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Ashley,

Looked at your stuff. For beauty work and stuff like that,where you need sharpness and very HQ resolution, you obviously need good optics. Either system has that. You also want a file that's easily workable in post processing. James Russell likes the S2 a lot for magazine fashion/lifestyle/catalog work. Mastrianni likes the Canon 1D a lot. Bern seems to like the Canon 1D as well. Ashley Morrison likes the Canon 1Ds for its superb quality,but he seems to have more money than anybody for high-end digtial backs as well as entire camera systems.

If you plan to use it only infrequently,where it makes sense for your studio,I don't think it'd make much difference if it's a Canon 1D or 10D or a Fuji S2. However, there are a few really awesome optics in the Nikon system that would be great for fashion/beauty work,with smooth bokeh and ultra-high resolution.

I think the total software standpoint for volume shooting is a more important consideration than which body you select, and think that you might check into the computer-shooting,tethered options equally important. Shooting right to a PC and displaying right to a TV set for AD approval and feedback is a strong suit of the S2 according to those who use it that way....James loves the TV-output option,which the 1D does not allow you to do.

A two-day rental might give you a better feel for the cameras you narrow it down to. It'd get you familiar with the feel of the systems. I myself can't stand how Canon focuses "backwards" from the systems I am used to.

Happy Shooting!
Derrel
 
Thanks to everyone for these very valid points. So far my only experience with digital has been gained through printing images from test samples at sites like this and some files that friends have sent me, but I understand this is no substitute for personal experience with my own files.

There can be no doubt that seeing 34MB file sizes once opened in Photoshop is rather more reassuring than 18MB from the Canon 10D and whether through interpolation or not, my bet is that the Fuji will go bigger then the Canon when put to test.

I must admit that there have been a few issues that I have noticed with some of the Fuji files that worried me, most notably that the images I have downloaded from this site don't appear to take that well to sharpening and soon look out of control and brash, whereas the Canon files seem to have an almost limitless ability to be sharpened without losing their naturalness. Can anybody suggest why this may be? I'd be very grateful if anybody could point me towards better quality Fuji files that I could look at in Photoshop to run a fairer comparison.

From what I have been able to gather from these limited tests, the Fuji had good colour performance although the Canon was comparable in the situations I saw. The Fuji does appear to have smooth skin tones which is important to me but the images I have seen have shown a little more noise than the Canon possibly due to the interpolated nature of the files?

The ability to be tethered to a computer must be a big plus and that is something that could be considered a clinching argument for many photographers. Actually I am not too bothered about the construction of the body as I can't see myself using any of these bodies for more than 18 months at most given the current rate of change in this sector.

Thanks again to everyone that has offered answers. I think I should also look into the software question as I am on a Mac running OS X where possible and this seems to a problem for most Raw processing software either in speed or quality terms.

As for the 1D, I am sure it is good at the test samples I have seen were wonderfully sharp with rich tones, but my bet is that there will be something in long in the next few months that will make it largely redundant and perhaps this is why I am moving more towards a cheaper solution to get started with. Why do all those amateurs over at the Canon site want 8 frames a second and ten minute exposures just to shoot pictures of their cats and flowers in the garden?

Ashley
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Ashley wrote,
ashley karyl said:
images I have downloaded from this site don't appear to take that
well to sharpening and soon look out of control and brash, whereas
the Canon files seem to have an almost limitless ability to be
sharpened without losing their naturalness. Can anybody suggest why
this may be?
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Good point. I've recently switched from shooting with in-camera sharpening switched to OFF, and also moved from 6MP in-camera JPEG to 12 MP in-camera JPEG. I used to apply around 150% .3 radius/0 to 3 for threshold (depending on the scene) if I shot on ORG-ORG-STD.

Now, shooting with the larger file size, I can easily go as high as 500/.2 or 400/.3 and still have a decent file.Or I can split my USM up into two smaller operations (I almost always do that actually). And this is from the in-camera JPEG shot ORG-ORG-OFF. No matter what the reviewers say, the 12 MP JPEG in a MUCH better file than the 6 MP....I proved it to myself the hard way,alas.

Short answer: I think most S2 users are setting the in-camera sharpening to STD or HARD. This somewhat impairs the file for later USM opportunity. In fact,you might say it ruins the file for post processing of the lengthy,critical,intense, 300% magny type. But a lot of us are not using the S2 for that type of shooting.

On the Mac front....the camera shooting software is OS 9 only....no OS X version yet. RAW conversion is not that fast on the Mac platform,due to the crummy code Fuji calls good enough. MacBibble 3.0 is substantially faster,and IMHO, is a great way to see a vivid, fairly high-quality, auto-analyzed JPEG, or 8- or 16-bit TIFF file in about 30 percent less time than EX Converter,using a batch-processing operation and just allowing MacBibble to analyze the scene and to do its best work unattended. In other words MacBibble makes a fast color-analyzed proof file that looks amazingly good for an automatic conversion. The Fuji RAW file itself is 12 MB,and all the extra color info,plus the funky non-square pixels of the Fuji RAW seem to add a lot of mathematical overhead,thus slowing down the process. Where it takes 40 seconds to make a RAW-conversion using MacBibble,on an admitted slow MAc by today's standards and in OS 9.2.2, the SAME software application can do a NEF file raw conversion in about 10 seconds. EX Converter gives fairly flat,neutral color from a RAW capture...MacBibble gives more-saturated,vibrant color. EX Converter will not even MAKE a jpeg for you!

RAW might not even be needed if you shoot 12MP ORG-ORG-OFF with good optics. James Russell's shooting all his stuff in JPEG mode and sharpening in LAB mode,and is doing awesome commercial stuff. Also, the camera makes AWESOME TIFF captures too...big....herkin'...awesome TIFF's! If you have control of your lighting ratio, the S2 does pretty good work in JPEG mode. The tone curve is fairly "hot" even at ORG, so you do need fill.
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Happy Shooting!
Derrel
 
I believe the S2 will likely give you slightly better quality than the Canon at the larger file sizes you are contemplating.

With that said, if you have an investment in Canon glass, then I would suggest you stay with the Canon digital SLR, as it will reduce your initial investment in a digital system while giving you nearly identical quality results.

The money you would otherwise spend on Nikon-mount lenses would best be invested in a good printer, memory cards, etc.

Anthony
ashley karyl said:
I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to
make a living having previously relied almost entirely on
Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime
lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds
too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know
whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon
10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract
term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour
rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are
fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is
the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am
currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to
keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses
if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't
ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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http://www.ashleykaryl.com
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Hi Ashley,

Don't know a thing about Canon as I was always a Nikon user since 30 years and stay on that platform because of all the lenses I had, since a few years I'm using the Fuji SLR's. I have 2 S2's and if used with the best lenses and avoiding camera shake (very steady tripod for very fine detail) the detail coming out of that camera is much higher than from other 6MP camera's. My clients are very happy with the results and I use my pictures for full page inserts in magazines, or double pages, posters and sometimes even for billboards and I can assure you that I never had complaints from my clients on the quality. As I readed in several reviews the quality is near to that of the Canon 1DS. A photographer used before in his studio Linfhof camera's, medium format Pentax, Hasselblad and Mamiya and since I has the S2 he made 1 shot with his Linhof the last year and zero with the medium formats. Also the Jpeg's straight out the camera (with the right settings) are very very good until 400 ISO. When I need extreme fine detail on jewels (that I even can't see with my own eyes) I'm shooting in Raw. So maybe this can help you a little bit in taking your decision but remember you have to use the very best lenses for getting the most out of that wonderful Fuji CCD.
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Dirk
2 Fuji S2 Pro, Nikkor lenses: 14mm f2.8, 24-50mm, Micro
60mm, 35-70 f2.8, 70-200 AFS VR, 300mm f4
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http://www.2point8.be
 
My personal mentor shoots a D60. He does not live in the U.S. like I do but sent me some prints from his d60. He has the best Canon glass. I don't need to place the images side by side. I can see the difference from memory. S2 wins.

I agree totally about the glass. If you shot the S2 through a coke bottle and the D60 through "L" glass then D60 would be sharper. I love my 35-70 2.8d. Get GOOD glass to get the most out of your camera. You're only as strong as your weakest link and it isn't the S2 sensor.
 
Why do all those amateurs
ashley karyl said:
over at the Canon site want 8 frames a second and ten minute
exposures just to shoot pictures of their cats and flowers in the
garden?

Ashley
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I wondered that too? Maybe they should consider a video camera. :-)
 
Mr. Stacey said:








Prof. S2 work:
http://www.pbase.com/russruth/all_s2
http://www.pbase.com/russruth/jan_2003
http://www.pbase.com/russruth/canon_12-fuji_s2
http://www.pbase.com/russruth/digtal_and_film

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Speaking as one of the amateurs that seem to be coming in for a fair amount of disaprobation in this particular thread I'm afraid I can't really see why I shouldn't buy the best camera I can afford.

But maybe some of you guys would be willing to help mme out here as I have always found this forum very helpful and friendly.

I can quite see that the S2 produces superior images to the 10D, but you are quite right in that amateurs, at least at my level don't always know what to look for. The call seems to be a lot closer between the D1 and the S2, which after all aren't that wildly different in price.

Looking at those pictures I am not sure that I have the tools to evaluate them properly.

To my untutored eye the S2 seems to have more punch and better colours, whilst the D1 seems to have avoided blowing highlights.

Would the D1 colours be correctable, or perhaps one should say alterable to give an effect nearer to that of the S2 and what else should I be noticing?
Your expertise would be much appreciated in evaluating them.
Thanks for your help,
Regards,
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DaveMart
 
ashley karyl said:
with digital has been gained through printing images
from test samples at sites>
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We just finished a weeks shoot in Paris for a cosmetic campaign using the Canon 1d and Fuji S2.

The camreas both performed well and under the different conditions yield different results.

We shot interior with many lights, exterior available light, interior during RTW Fall annoucements, evening and mixed light.

The S2 is a great camera, somewhat slower than the 1d, but produces a great, film like file that is warmer and somewhat deeper in tone than the 1d.

The 1d is very fast and very sharp, requries little sharpening, actually, can only take small amounts of sharpening. The 1d is very smooth and great for faces.

The S2 require sharpening, but takes it well.

The 1d uprezzes way past the Fuji, but captures no more real detail and in some images, not as much, though this is barely noticable.

The fuji allows you to zoom in a check focus, the 1d doesn't (BTW: This should be a crime against humanity).

In fact the 1d is best with no sharpening at opeing through ACR and then immediately uprezzing to 100 mb 16 bit tiff. Then add sharpening. It suffers little CA when uprezzed, which all digital cameras and many film scans do.

I will post more information and images when time and release dates are set, but you need to try both cameras. You also need to learn how to work all of these images in post and photoshop.

We sharpen the 1d by adding layers, one lighten, one darken with sharpening. We sharpen the fuji direct, or through Quantam Mechanics.

I will say this, in real world applications, both cameras easily outperformed 35mm film (of any kind) and are close to 2 1/4 transparency film. They are as good as any hand held film camera and film used for fashion/glamor, especially on location.

I really like both cameras and will use them until something better comes along. (Something will, it always does and it may be the new Fuji back).

Had I shot this project on film, there are about 3 sessions that we would not have been able to shoot, due to low light and chaigng conditions.

In final images film to digital there is little difference. In shooting there is huge difference.

Best,

James
 
David Martin said:
Speaking as one of the amateurs that seem to be coming in for a
fair amount of disaprobation in this particular thread I'm afraid I
can't really see why I shouldn't buy the best camera I can afford.
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Hey Dave,

I did not understand the comment in this thread about amateurs as if we cannot fully use or should not buy the best camera we can afford. I understood it as why many people, mostly amateurs, in some forums are complaining about a camera not getting the right images in conditions they are never going to use. Also, I did not feel any dissaprobation on amateurs, but on some comments in some forums. Not sure I'm right, but I think this is what was meant.

Best,
Dioni
You don't take a photograph, you make it (Ansel Adams)
 
Dioni said:
David Martin said:
Speaking as one of the amateurs that seem to be coming in for a
fair amount of disaprobation in this particular thread I'm afraid I
can't really see why I shouldn't buy the best camera I can afford.
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Hey Dave,

I did not understand the comment in this thread about amateurs as
if we cannot fully use or should not buy the best camera we can
afford. I understood it as why many people, mostly amateurs, in
some forums are complaining about a camera not getting the right
images in conditions they are never going to use. Also, I did not
feel any dissaprobation on amateurs, but on some comments in some
forums. Not sure I'm right, but I think this is what was meant.

Best,
Dioni
You don't take a photograph, you make it (Ansel Adams)
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Well, not to worry anyway. Probably I shouldn't have mentioned it. I just feel that I've got to start somewhere, and we all invariably start not knowing things, we just have to try to improve. Also in an unfamiliar environment a lot of people are just not going to know whether something will be important to them, they need a certain amount of experience before they know that they are unlikely to use very long exposures, although I've very much enjoyed the 30secs my D7 allows and would love longer exposures.

On the substance of my post, what do you think of the comparison of the D1 vs S2 pics that weree posted in this thread? As I say, I find it difficult to evaluate and would appreciate others opinions.
Best regards,
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Ashley:

I can only reiterate what another member said, take your Canon lenses to a good pro photo shop, and make sure that they will work correctly on the Canon body you are considering. If they will, great.

If they won't, you have an important piece of information.

If you wind up starting out fresh without any glass, I think that your taste in lenses is at least as important as what body you pick.

I am partial to Nikon, because they have really worked hard to make sure that any lens will work on any body. In these past few years they have divirged from that ideal, but with so much new technology, it is understandable.

I just got the 70 200 VR (outstanding lens) and I expect that it will outlast several camera bodies.
Hawk
 
I think you should go to a local pro camera shop & throw in a microdrive & make your own tests. That's the only way you will know whether you made the right choice.

For myself, I waited until the 10D came out, then still went with the S2 at twice the cost. Stupid? No, I don't think so. I just don't want to deal with my own nagging concern that I could have afforded the S2 which is raved about, wins awards, has great low-light ability, high res than other 6s, & lower noise than other 6s.

I would prefer to have the 1DS as well, but heck we have Mahesh here & he bought a 1DS and took it back! The S2 beat it in his hands-on opinion.

Make your choice. You will be happier that way.
ashley karyl said:
I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to
make a living having previously relied almost entirely on
Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime
lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds
too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know
whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon
10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract
term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour
rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are
fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is
the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am
currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to
keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses
if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't
ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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I'm really glad to hear that Mahesh thought the S2 beat the Canon 1ds. Well, glad in a strange way. I have been using the S2 since it came out (Serial # 29 !), and really am quite pleased with everything about it.

When the Canon 1ds came out, I got one right away, along with top of the line Canon glass. However, even after having this camera for months now, I cannot seem to coax any better quality out of it compared to my S2!! And trust me, I have been trying!! I just can't seem to do it.

The S2 gives me crisper colors, are much more sharp, and require a great deal LESS post processing than the Canon pics. I thought that there might even have been something wrong with my camera (or me for that matter :)

It really reminds me of the Canon D60, where all of my pics were coming out looking too soft and even bordering on fuzzy.

The other thing about the Canon 1ds. Its HUGE! And, with no built in flash, you pretty much need to walk around with the Speedlite mounted at all times. Which makes it even larger and heavier.

If I had never used an S2, I suppose I might be impressed by the 1ds. But at this point I am even thinking of selling my whole 1ds setup and just sticking with my trusty S2.

Has anyone else out there had direct experience with both the S2 and Canon 1ds? Are you seeing the same results as both Mahesh and I have seen?

Thanks

Frank Segler
Zephalephelah said:
For myself, I waited until the 10D came out, then still went with
the S2 at twice the cost. Stupid? No, I don't think so. I just
don't want to deal with my own nagging concern that I could have
afforded the S2 which is raved about, wins awards, has great
low-light ability, high res than other 6s, & lower noise than other
6s.

I would prefer to have the 1DS as well, but heck we have Mahesh
here & he bought a 1DS and took it back! The S2 beat it in his
hands-on opinion.

Make your choice. You will be happier that way.
ashley karyl said:
I am about to buy my first digital camera and I'll be using it to
make a living having previously relied almost entirely on
Hasselblads and I'd appreciate some advice.

For many years, I have had Canon equipment and have some good prime
lenses, so purchasing the 10D would seem like a logical move (1Ds
too expensive), however, I would like to ask those that really know
whether I am likely to get better quality from the Fuji S2 or Canon
10D, particularly at larger sizes? Quality is perhaps an abstract
term, however, I mean sharp, noise free images with good colour
rendition.

The maths doesn't interest me regarding file sizes as these are
fundamentally both 6MP cameras and I'd just like to know which is
the better camera in a straight shoot out. As I said, I am
currently a Canon user (albeit once a year) but I could afford to
keep the Canon lenses and buy 2 or 3 second hand Nikon prime lenses
if need be to get the Fuji.

No flame wars please or mad brand loyalty, which is why I didn't
ask this question at the Canon forum.

Thanks
Ashley
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