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Hi Im 15 and Ive been posting around this forum for a little while now! Ive researched everything I want to do and all my research and my gut, along with love of photography tell me I want to be a Photojournalist. Unfortunately Opportunities are not as bountiful as they are in other places but I cannot complain. Im planning on buying the Canon EOS 10D and hopefully a 50 1.4 lens and If I earn enough money this summer a 70-200 of some kinda either 2.8 (Canon IS or Non IS, Maybe Sigma (Ill probaly kick myself for doing that one). Oh I will probaly not raise the money but Im hopeing. I have around half of what I want saved, and am currently shooting with the cameras I have had since I was in 6th grade. My Canon Rebel 2000 with 28-80 3.5-5.6 II and a few years later the battery pack for it along with the 100-300 4.5-5.6 USM, and my Old trusty Canon FTb with FL 28 3.5 and FL 55 1.2. I also have a Canon 550 EX Flash. I love these cameras to death and both have served me well but It is time to up grade from the 1 fps. I at frist was thinking of staying with traditional Film and going for the EOS 3 which is a superb camera. But Digital drew me in immidiately. Just after playing with the D60 which I happened to be very lucky to find that a store had in stock) And Have decided to buy the 10D. Oh but to the point, I tend to ramble, probaly not a good thing, just some background Info.

Well I want to go into photojournalism and was thinking because it is such a competitive feild that maybe I should try and get a head start on things. I do not have the money to buy a digital SLR like the 1D or 1Ds but I would like something that would possibly get me to college and serve as a nice back up for a nicer model when in college if I even get a nicer model. Money is an Object beings I am only 15 and only able to scrounge up a few odds and ends jobs. Hopefully I am going to Stock Shelves at a small town grocery store. And I will have to detasel this summer. Oh what a pain but I want a digital very badly. However Starting early may not be possible at least with certain things because I play sports almost year round. I have Cross Country in the Fall, Basketball in the Winter, and Track in the Spring. I was thinking of giving up sports because I know I have the ability to go to a college for track or Cross Country but its just not what I really want to do, however I love doing all of these sports. Ive talked with my family about it and most of them say,"most people dont start into their career until they are seniors in highschool", I concidered that and said yeah I might as well live these next 4 years to the fullest and focus the rest of my time into streight A's and Photography. I love to shoot everything and am on the yearbook as a freshmen which is an accomplishment in itself, beings my school supposedly only allowes Sophomores and up on Yearbook. Sooner or later I will get around to getting a scanner and posting some of my work on this site. I was wondering what do you think I should do "Drop sports to get an edge on upcomeing photojournalists ( I will still have to compete with the "old pro's" no offence to any of them, I have extreem Respect for all of them.) Or should I keep on playing sports through highschool and not regret not playing? I am a halfway intern at a local newspaper and have a few of my pictures published, its one of thoes local "Sick and Weaklys" but I rivel the "pros" in my area lol, they are not amazeing but I learn skills from them. However it seems like More and More I dont feel like Im getting any respect its more like a kid with the camera no matter what I do, I am somewhat mature (for a 15 year old) and Try to carry on with the other photographers, but It now seems like everyone calls me the kid with the camera even when I do better work then them, blah blah blah, Im just gripeing. Ok here are the questions.

1.) Should I take the head start on my career and take as many opportunities I have even though it may interfer with my social life and athletic life.

2.) Should I concider Photojournalisim at all? Or should I concider Freelance or Sports Photography? (along with others)

2.) Part 2.) If I do decide to do freelance work, do they have groups of Freelancers that work togeather? Or anything of that sort or is that the Associated Press that does something like that, who does not have a newspaper they work for or Magazine they work for but just take pictures and sell to the highest bidder? Is that a good way to make a living over working for a paper/Mag. or Freelance.

3.) If I do go into this feild and seriously into this feild to make some decent money. Would there be any room for family life? Or any life at all?

4.) How much money does a Photojournalist make comeing into the feild out of college? How much after they have made a name for themselves?

5.) What does it take to make a name for your self?

6.) A good photojournalisim College? Go for Double Major Photography/ Journalisim or English? Large reputible Journalisim College or Visual Arts College?

7.) Digital Deffinently! What system do most use? What lenses? (16-35 2.8L)(24-70 2.8L)(70-200 2.8L IS)(300 2.8L IS)(400 2.8L IS)? What System (Canon 1D) (1Ds)

8.) Should I wait and just let the paper/mag. supply me with the equipment or buy some on my own, Obviously Some on my own but Should I go Blow 10000 bucks on equipment when most decent sized newspapers supply it for me?

9.) What are the chances of makeing it in Photography feild? Good Bad How about sucessful? (Scale: Percentages or on a scale of 1-20)

Ill add more If I can think of it, Sorry for rambeling on for so long! Thank you very much for your time!
--

Morgan, just a kid thats addicted to Photography, Hopefully you will see me in the Papers some day!
 
I will venture to guess the answers are not what you want to hear. Rgardless of the answers you get - stick with participating in your sports and photograph others.

Either way 10D is a good choice. I don't know that I would go with the 50f1.4 as it does not have RING USM, it has a lesser USM. I would suggest the Can 85f1.8 which has RING USM but will be 140mm (35mm equiv.) on a 10D.

Jim

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Few Suggestions:

First of all, make sure you have a back up plan IMHO. Anything dealing with the arts can be shaky. Perhaps photography as a side job.

Second of all, realize Digital there is a whole new aspect of learning with computer (Photoshop and so forth) This is probably a good thing though, cause it could lead to other interests down the road.

As for all your questions.... I do not know many since I am not a prof. photographer, however I would try and shoot as much as possible for school functions and other sports when you have time. Your 15! Have fun, and maybe you can make some money too from friends/family. I wouldn't of minded shooting for $$$ instead of working at crappy retail ; ) during High School. As for making a name for your self, it is all about quality of work and hookups. A professor told me once that your first job is never about how much you know, it is who know. Granted this may not be the same for photo journalism, but you can get many oppurtunities by meeting people.

Aaron
 
If you are going to be a journalist I would suggest that you learn how to spell.

Lead a normal high school life. Study hard, play hard. Chase those cheerleaders around. My personal advice is don't give up sports for photography. I did both, back there in the stone age.

I think studying photography, especially "photojournalism," is a waste of time. Get a degree in English or math or astrophysics. Even PE.

that's it for now. Mail me $20.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
 
Shorter Version of the book I wrote earlier!

A little about me.

Im 15 and am entering the digital world this summer (Hopefully) I would like to be a photojournalist.

Ok Stuff I have already

My Canon Rebel 2000 with 28-80 3.5-5.6 II and a few years later the battery pack for it along with the 100-300 4.5-5.6 USM, and my Old trusty Canon FTb with FL 28 3.5 and FL 55 1.2. I also have a Canon 550 EX Flash. I love these cameras to death and both have served me well but It is time to up grade from the 1 fps, Which I have Had since the 6th Grade.
Monopod, Tripod, Filters, Lowpro ProMag1 camera bag, other odds and ends.

What I want

EOS 10D with a 50 1.4 and a 70-200 (2.8L)(2.8L IS)(4.0)(Sigma 2.8- probaly kick myself)

What I want to do
Photojournalist, Sports photographer, Freelance Photorgapher of some sort.

What I am doing rite now

Halfway Intern at local paper. Yearbook as a freshmen. Working odd and ends jobs for money for the stuff I want.

Ahead In the Feild?

I know Photojounralisim is a very competitive feild, but most from what I have heard do not start focusing on their career until they are almost out of highshcool, would starting now give me an edge? Id still have to compete with the "Older Pros" which I have extreeme respect for. I unfortunately play sports most of the year Fall Cross Country/ Winter Basketball/ Spring Track. Should I give up sports and a social life as well as my social status as a athlete for photography in highschool, Im afraid I would regret doing so. I only have real potiential to go to college in Track or Cross Country and even so it would be a small college and Im more into photography. What Should I do?
1.) Should I take the head start on my career and take as many
opportunities I have even though it may interfer with my social
life and athletic life.

2.) Should I concider Photojournalisim at all? Or should I concider
Freelance or Sports Photography? (along with others)

2.) Part 2.) If I do decide to do freelance work, do they have
groups of Freelancers that work togeather? Or anything of that sort
or is that the Associated Press that does something like that, who
does not have a newspaper they work for or Magazine they work for
but just take pictures and sell to the highest bidder? Is that a
good way to make a living over working for a paper/Mag. or
Freelance.

3.) If I do go into this feild and seriously into this feild to
make some decent money. Would there be any room for family life? Or
any life at all?

4.) How much money does a Photojournalist make comeing into the
feild out of college? How much after they have made a name for
themselves?

5.) What does it take to make a name for your self?

6.) A good photojournalisim College? Go for Double Major
Photography/ Journalisim or English? Large reputible Journalisim
College or Visual Arts College?

7.) Digital Deffinently! What system do most use? What lenses?
(16-35 2.8L)(24-70 2.8L)(70-200 2.8L IS)(300 2.8L IS)(400 2.8L IS)?
What System (Canon 1D) (1Ds)

8.) Should I wait and just let the paper/mag. supply me with the
equipment or buy some on my own, Obviously Some on my own but
Should I go Blow 10000 bucks on equipment when most decent sized
newspapers supply it for me?

9.) What are the chances of makeing it in Photography feild? Good
Bad How about sucessful? (Scale: Percentages or on a scale of 1-20)
Thanks for your time, if you want to read the whole story click the first Tread, its a book however. Thanks for your time.
--

Morgan D, just a kid thats addicted to Photography, Hopefully ya will see me in the papers some day :)
 
How Come everytime I post something, I always get one guy digging on my spelling, Thats what Word is for ;) Yeah I know I need to work on it, thanks for pointing it out though.

A message in life is no matter how bad things get, they always can be worse. Its all good!
Morgan
 
You reply to a 15 year old looking for sincere advice in this manner?

FA-Q
If you are going to be a journalist I would suggest that you learn
how to spell.

Lead a normal high school life. Study hard, play hard. Chase those
cheerleaders around. My personal advice is don't give up sports for
photography. I did both, back there in the stone age.

I think studying photography, especially "photojournalism," is a
waste of time. Get a degree in English or math or astrophysics.
Even PE.

that's it for now. Mail me $20.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
--
regards,

FB
 
the main thing to remember is to forget what anyone tells you, and follow your dreams.....strong desire has a way of making things happen......there will be setbacks, and you will overcome them......look at my pbase below, at the anti war shots , for some amatuer PJ stuff........practice....shoot shoot shoot....then shoot some more....this is where digital will help you the most....no cost of film.........enjoy the whole process, and enjoy life....and what ever you do, don't give up on what you want......that's the best advice I can give you.....let us know how things are going.....I am impressed with the level of desire at your age........go for it!!......by the way, the 70-200 was used for alot of the crowd shots, from an elevated position, which made for some really nice crowd shots....walkin around was with the 28-70, but it would have been nice to have a little wider.......

you work around the limitations of the equipment you have, so do what you can.......

--

stuff: D60,28-70 2.8L,70-200 2.8L IS, 50mm 1.8, 28-135 IS, 550ex,420ex, bogen tripod,bogen monopod, domke F1x bag
photography is my obsession.....
http://www.pbase.com/randolph001
 
I think you will very much enjoy digital. It gives you the freedom to take mutiple shots from different angles without worrying about buying more film and developing your pictures. You also get instant feedback to help develop your skills.

As for quiting sports, I think that would be a mistake. You are still young and will have pleanty of time to get into your career in a few years. Make sure to have fun being 15 years old. If you can afford purchase a digital camera that would be great. I would continue to learn the art and mechanics of photography, I think you would still be ahead of the game.

Someone else stated that you sould have a backup plan as well. I agree that the arts can be a bit shaky.

Remember to do what you love to do. There is nothing worse than getting stuck in a job that you don't love.

Pat
 
If you are going to be a journalist I would suggest that you learn
how to spell.

Lead a normal high school life. Study hard, play hard. Chase those
cheerleaders around. My personal advice is don't give up sports for
photography. I did both, back there in the stone age.

I think studying photography, especially "photojournalism," is a
waste of time. Get a degree in English or math or astrophysics.
Even PE.

that's it for now. Mail me $20.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
Ok, I gotta few more questions. I have heard alot of people saying do not study photography or photojournalisim in general, but go for an english degree. Would you do photography or photojournalisim as a minor? Lol I have a while I know, its just this is what i really want to do. Ive had a chance to play with photoshop and other applications at my school and I find it amazeing. I cannot spell so word is a miricule worker for me, yes I know I need to learn to spell! Its atrotious and I cant even spell the word, unfortunately I have a somewhat large vocabulary for the kids in my highschool but if it were up to spelling Id have a very limited one. I will work on that beings its a very good point. I do not mean to use my age as a scapegoat but does this just mean Im just Ill adapted for it, I love photography more than anything but I have so many people saying dont bother, but I could also just be reading the whole scenario wrong, and they are just telling me to study a feild that I could do alot with in general and I can always try photojournalisim and if it doesnt work out I will have a back up. Ive concidered manythings other than photography but Ive always been drawn into photography, people you meet, places you go. Thanks very much for your advice.
--
Morgan Dowdall, just a kid thats addicted to Photography
 
Hi Morgan,

I actually read your 'book', but may not be able to answer all of your questions.

First of all, I wouldn't worry about your career too much at your age. I think that you will find that if you just have fun and try your best, things will fall into place.

My advice would be to just have fun and enjoy life... doing whatever makes you happy. You don’t want to look back at your teenage years and wish that you had 'lived' a bit more. Stay in sports, take lots of pictures, work hard in school, and play hard too.

As far as cameras go, I would certainly go for the 10D if you want digital. It sounds like the perfect camera for someone getting into photojournalism (but on a budget). In a few years when you are making some money, and if you are still into it, you can buy the newest and 1Ds…and will be able to appreciate it more too.

As far as getting respect from the senior photographers, I wouldn’t let it bother you. They could just be intimidated by you and possibly jealous too. Just strive to get as good as them, then better. Soon you will be the guy that they will be asking for advice.

The fact that you are searching for advice on such matters at age 15 is surely a reflection of your maturity. Keep working hard and I am sure you can put anything you put your mind to.

Duncan
 
Don't worry about spelling. Thats what MS Word is for ;)
If you are going to be a journalist I would suggest that you learn
how to spell.

Lead a normal high school life. Study hard, play hard. Chase those
cheerleaders around. My personal advice is don't give up sports for
photography. I did both, back there in the stone age.

I think studying photography, especially "photojournalism," is a
waste of time. Get a degree in English or math or astrophysics.
Even PE.

that's it for now. Mail me $20.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
Ok, I gotta few more questions. I have heard alot of people saying
do not study photography or photojournalisim in general, but go for
an english degree. Would you do photography or photojournalisim as
a minor? Lol I have a while I know, its just this is what i really
want to do. Ive had a chance to play with photoshop and other
applications at my school and I find it amazeing. I cannot spell so
word is a miricule worker for me, yes I know I need to learn to
spell! Its atrotious and I cant even spell the word, unfortunately
I have a somewhat large vocabulary for the kids in my highschool
but if it were up to spelling Id have a very limited one. I will
work on that beings its a very good point. I do not mean to use my
age as a scapegoat but does this just mean Im just Ill adapted for
it, I love photography more than anything but I have so many people
saying dont bother, but I could also just be reading the whole
scenario wrong, and they are just telling me to study a feild that
I could do alot with in general and I can always try
photojournalisim and if it doesnt work out I will have a back up.
Ive concidered manythings other than photography but Ive always
been drawn into photography, people you meet, places you go. Thanks
very much for your advice.
--
Morgan Dowdall, just a kid thats addicted to Photography
 
Journalism makes room for all sorts of vices, but inability to
spell is not one of them. I am a newspaper editor. If you can't
spell, you don't get hired.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
Ok I understand spelling is inportant, I cant even crack a couple of jokes with out someone fliping out on me, Obviously If I want it bad enough I will want to improve my spelling. The joke about Microsoft word was kinda stupid yes because you have to know how to spell before you can use spell check, but it does come in handy. And I may probaly be speaking out my rear end but dont most photojournalists use laptops along with some kinda of word processor? just a thought, I wouldnt exspect someone to turn in a sloppy written paper unless its notes? I dunno just what I was thinking.......
--
Morgan Dowdall, just a kid thats addicted to Photography
 
Much easier to read this time. Of course, I don't have your answers, but I'm sure someone will opinions.

Jason
A little about me.
Im 15 and am entering the digital world this summer (Hopefully) I
would like to be a photojournalist.

Ok Stuff I have already
My Canon Rebel 2000 with 28-80 3.5-5.6 II and a few years later the
battery pack for it along with the 100-300 4.5-5.6 USM, and my Old
trusty Canon FTb with FL 28 3.5 and FL 55 1.2. I also have a Canon
550 EX Flash. I love these cameras to death and both have served me
well but It is time to up grade from the 1 fps, Which I have Had
since the 6th Grade.
Monopod, Tripod, Filters, Lowpro ProMag1 camera bag, other odds and
ends.

What I want
EOS 10D with a 50 1.4 and a 70-200 (2.8L)(2.8L IS)(4.0)(Sigma 2.8-
probaly kick myself)

What I want to do
Photojournalist, Sports photographer, Freelance Photorgapher of
some sort.

What I am doing rite now
Halfway Intern at local paper. Yearbook as a freshmen. Working odd
and ends jobs for money for the stuff I want.

Ahead In the Feild?
I know Photojounralisim is a very competitive feild, but most from
what I have heard do not start focusing on their career until they
are almost out of highshcool, would starting now give me an edge?
Id still have to compete with the "Older Pros" which I have
extreeme respect for. I unfortunately play sports most of the year
Fall Cross Country/ Winter Basketball/ Spring Track. Should I give
up sports and a social life as well as my social status as a
athlete for photography in highschool, Im afraid I would regret
doing so. I only have real potiential to go to college in Track or
Cross Country and even so it would be a small college and Im more
into photography. What Should I do?
1.) Should I take the head start on my career and take as many
opportunities I have even though it may interfer with my social
life and athletic life.

2.) Should I concider Photojournalisim at all? Or should I concider
Freelance or Sports Photography? (along with others)

2.) Part 2.) If I do decide to do freelance work, do they have
groups of Freelancers that work togeather? Or anything of that sort
or is that the Associated Press that does something like that, who
does not have a newspaper they work for or Magazine they work for
but just take pictures and sell to the highest bidder? Is that a
good way to make a living over working for a paper/Mag. or
Freelance.

3.) If I do go into this feild and seriously into this feild to
make some decent money. Would there be any room for family life? Or
any life at all?

4.) How much money does a Photojournalist make comeing into the
feild out of college? How much after they have made a name for
themselves?

5.) What does it take to make a name for your self?

6.) A good photojournalisim College? Go for Double Major
Photography/ Journalisim or English? Large reputible Journalisim
College or Visual Arts College?

7.) Digital Deffinently! What system do most use? What lenses?
(16-35 2.8L)(24-70 2.8L)(70-200 2.8L IS)(300 2.8L IS)(400 2.8L IS)?
What System (Canon 1D) (1Ds)

8.) Should I wait and just let the paper/mag. supply me with the
equipment or buy some on my own, Obviously Some on my own but
Should I go Blow 10000 bucks on equipment when most decent sized
newspapers supply it for me?

9.) What are the chances of makeing it in Photography feild? Good
Bad How about sucessful? (Scale: Percentages or on a scale of 1-20)
Thanks for your time, if you want to read the whole story click the
first Tread, its a book however. Thanks for your time.
--
Morgan D, just a kid thats addicted to Photography, Hopefully ya
will see me in the papers some day :)
 
My advice is not only sincere, but it is pretty good. I was a news photographer for some 20 years and I am now the editor of a newspaper. If you can't spell you don't work in journalism. From paperboy on up you are expected to spell correctly. There is no reason to miss out on sports to learn how to shoot photos. And I do not believe that studying photojournalism, in most cases, is of much value. Unless you want to be a professor of photojournalism...

Zidar
Alaska
FA-Q
If you are going to be a journalist I would suggest that you learn
how to spell.

Lead a normal high school life. Study hard, play hard. Chase those
cheerleaders around. My personal advice is don't give up sports for
photography. I did both, back there in the stone age.

I think studying photography, especially "photojournalism," is a
waste of time. Get a degree in English or math or astrophysics.
Even PE.

that's it for now. Mail me $20.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
--
regards,

FB
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
 
The best way to learn to be a photographer is to work for a paper that has a good photo dept. Didn't you say you are already working part time at a paper? I would strongly advise learning to shoot video, as in TV, as well. The way to learn to spell is to read a lot.

Zidar
Alaska
--
It's not about stuff.
http://www.pbase.com/zidar
 

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