E-System ( camera and lenses ) announced

I am disappointed that there is a lens focal length magnification factor. I thought they might design dedicated and smaller cheaper lenses.

The Lenses seem to cover the full 35 mm format. Maybe just leaving the door open for full frame sensors. That would make a mockery of the long awaited 3/4 system.

Ludwig
 
What are you talking about? The 2x factor is just saying lenses for the 4/3 system have the same coverage angle as lenses twice the focal length on a 35mm system.

Where did you read the lenses could cover 24x36mm frame?
I am disappointed that there is a lens focal length magnification
factor. I thought they might design dedicated and smaller cheaper
lenses.

The Lenses seem to cover the full 35 mm format. Maybe just leaving
the door open for full frame sensors. That would make a mockery of
the long awaited 3/4 system.

Ludwig
 
I knew in the morning that this would be anounced today also.

I am waiting for the prices on the lenses and for the specs oif hte camera.
 
If it is much like a E20, and going buy the photos it might not be a very light system. One of the photos looks like a 2X converter to me, that would help to make a set of glass a bit lighter / cheaper.
I knew in the morning that this would be anounced today also.

I am waiting for the prices on the lenses and for the specs oif hte
camera.
I'll bet it's NOT going to be a price leader.
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But 600mm 2.8 looks fine.

The body is made of metal, but looks somewhat not very pro compared to the Eos System.

The dial stands out and it looks not very well to me compared to the old OM series cameras.
I have the Om2s and love that camera.

How good is the autofocus on the E10 and E20 cameras?
Reading Steve's web site it is not out until Christmas !
It looks like a nice camera, and everything I can see about
4/3 lenses is good... but Christmas !
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Also I do not think they have stated a resolution they are launching with. Plan 'A' was 5MP a year ago, I believe it is a smaller piece of the 14n sensor, so with speed to market of the 14n, I guess this has effected the 4/3, and they could not lauch with 5MP at the end of the year as half of us would not buy at that spec, even if it was a good 5MP bayer.

Perhaps they will have to go for 7 or 8 MP just for a bit of specmanship! I guess they have not got any / many sensor to develop with yet!
How good is the autofocus on the E10 and E20 cameras?
Reading Steve's web site it is not out until Christmas !
It looks like a nice camera, and everything I can see about
4/3 lenses is good... but Christmas !
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6 to 8 MP is my bet.
selling well below 1000$
Perhaps they will have to go for 7 or 8 MP just for a bit of
specmanship! I guess they have not got any / many sensor to
develop with yet!
How good is the autofocus on the E10 and E20 cameras?
Reading Steve's web site it is not out until Christmas !
It looks like a nice camera, and everything I can see about
4/3 lenses is good... but Christmas !
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What are you talking about? The 2x factor is just saying lenses for
the 4/3 system have the same coverage angle as lenses twice the
focal length on a 35mm system.

Where did you read the lenses could cover 24x36mm frame?
It's obvious. There's nothing exotic about the lenses described (except the 14-54, and we'll get back to it in a minute). A 50-200, 300 2.8 and 50mm macro are all already limited by their required front element sizes and length required to realize their optical functions (4:1 zoom, telephoto, and 1:1 macro, respectively). They will all be the same size and weight if built for 35mm film, the 1.5x Nikon "DX" standard, or the 2x "4/3" standard. They're "old" designs.

The 14-54 is neat, but not that exotic. It's bigger and bulkier than if a 28-105 "full frame" lens were scaled down to "4/3" size. If I had to guess at the optical design, I'd say it was an existing 18-35 or 24-50mm lens with just minor "tweaks" for the 4/3 system, such as increasing the range of motion of the zooming elements so it can go a bit wider and longer with image corner quality you wouldn't find acceptable for 35mm film, but nothing any more special than that.

In short, it's all "warmed over 35mm". Where's something as cool as the Nikon 12-24mm DX lens, a true "small sensor" design. For 4/3, it would have to be a 9-18mm zoom.

Other "true" 4/3 lenses would include things like a 10mm ultrawide (20mm equivelant for full frame) a 25mm f1.4 (equivelant to the popular 50mm f1.4 normal lenses) and maybe a 7mm ultrawide (14mm equivelant on 35mm). Back when I've used borrowed Oly gear, the wides were the nicest part of the system.

Ciao!

Joe
 
The range seems a bit limited at the moment.
But they are the first Lenses ever to be seen.

Hopefully a 25mm(50mm equiv.) 1.4 will follow by Oly or another Lense manufacturer.

I don't think that other system elements such as Flashlights do follow one standard.

Fuji is also part of the 4/3 allianz. Maybe a Fuji 4/3 will come sometimes later, they were the last to join the standard.

It's only the first Body, and to me even the *ist looks better.

The sensor size is bigger than that of the 10D.

If the glass can do as good or better than 35mm it will be hard to resist this open standard.

I wait for some more bodys, sample pics and then maybe I will decide against EOS.
Till then I am happy with my EOS50 and CP4500.
I can wait until 2005.
lucky me
What are you talking about? The 2x factor is just saying lenses for
the 4/3 system have the same coverage angle as lenses twice the
focal length on a 35mm system.

Where did you read the lenses could cover 24x36mm frame?
It's obvious. There's nothing exotic about the lenses described
(except the 14-54, and we'll get back to it in a minute). A 50-200,
300 2.8 and 50mm macro are all already limited by their required
front element sizes and length required to realize their optical
functions (4:1 zoom, telephoto, and 1:1 macro, respectively). They
will all be the same size and weight if built for 35mm film, the
1.5x Nikon "DX" standard, or the 2x "4/3" standard. They're "old"
designs.

The 14-54 is neat, but not that exotic. It's bigger and bulkier
than if a 28-105 "full frame" lens were scaled down to "4/3" size.
If I had to guess at the optical design, I'd say it was an existing
18-35 or 24-50mm lens with just minor "tweaks" for the 4/3 system,
such as increasing the range of motion of the zooming elements so
it can go a bit wider and longer with image corner quality you
wouldn't find acceptable for 35mm film, but nothing any more
special than that.

In short, it's all "warmed over 35mm". Where's something as cool as
the Nikon 12-24mm DX lens, a true "small sensor" design. For 4/3,
it would have to be a 9-18mm zoom.

Other "true" 4/3 lenses would include things like a 10mm ultrawide
(20mm equivelant for full frame) a 25mm f1.4 (equivelant to the
popular 50mm f1.4 normal lenses) and maybe a 7mm ultrawide (14mm
equivelant on 35mm). Back when I've used borrowed Oly gear, the
wides were the nicest part of the system.

Ciao!

Joe
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and how fast is it compared to Canon lenses?
How good is the autofocus on the E10 and E20 cameras?
Not bad for a contrast-detection system. Terrible, compared to
"real" SLR's with phase-detection AF. If the AF is legacy from the
E-10/E-20, the E-system is dead in the water.

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The 14-54 is neat, but not that exotic. It's bigger and bulkier
than if a 28-105 "full frame" lens were scaled down to "4/3" size.
If I had to guess at the optical design, I'd say it was an existing
18-35 or 24-50mm lens with just minor "tweaks" for the 4/3 system,
such as increasing the range of motion of the zooming elements so
it can go a bit wider and longer with image corner quality you
wouldn't find acceptable for 35mm film, but nothing any more
special than that.
The Tamron 28-105/f2.8 is a big hunking piece of glass... I imagine making shorter focal length lens is just more difficult (think consumer digicam). On the other hand, it should be relatively easy for company like sigma to just change the mount for their 300/2.8 (and other) lens to fit the 4/3 system. Heck, who knows, with the shorter lens mount to image plane distance, there might even be room to make a converter to convert 35mm lens to 4/3 mounts.
 
The 14-54 is neat, but not that exotic. It's bigger and bulkier
than if a 28-105 "full frame" lens were scaled down to "4/3" size.
If I had to guess at the optical design, I'd say it was an existing
18-35 or 24-50mm lens with just minor "tweaks" for the 4/3 system,
The Tamron 28-105/f2.8 is a big hunking piece of glass...
Quite true. But, if you turned it into a "true" 4/3 system lens, you'd cut the lenght and diameter pretty much in half, and the weight to 1/4. It would be a bit longer that 1/2 the length of the full frame 28-105, because it would need more "throw" on its retrofocus back end, but not all that much longer. Certainly smaller than the 14-54 in the picture.
I imagine
making shorter focal length lens is just more difficult (think
consumer digicam).
Actually, consumer digicam lenses are "easy" designs. They don't have the resolution of high quality 35mm full frame lenses. Many really good primes (and better zooms) can put an image onto slow film like Tech Pan or Velvia that even the 14mp digitals have trouble matching. Consumer 4mp cameras don't need to match that.
On the other hand, it should be relatively easy
for company like sigma to just change the mount for their 300/2.8
(and other) lens to fit the 4/3 system.
Very easy. And for their short mount lenses, too. I predict, without some better ultrawides, that the Sigma 8mm fisheye will be a very popluar lens on 4/3 bodies.
Heck, who knows, with the
shorter lens mount to image plane distance, there might even be
room to make a converter to convert 35mm lens to 4/3 mounts.
Unfortunatly, one of the few solid pieces of information we have about the 4/3 system is that its registration distance (film to flange distance, or lens mount to image plate distance) is pretty much the same as 35mm full frame. That's why Kodak and Olympus keep harping on how the 4/3 system "fixes" the angle of incidence vignetting problems in full frame digitals like Canon 1Ds and Kodak 14n. Now, it would be nice if they used a registration distance just a bit shorter than conventional 35mm. For example, Olympus's OM lens mount is 46mm, while Nikon is 46.5mm, Canon is 44.0mm, and Pentax is 45.5.

If the E had a 46mm OM mount with a sufficiently wide mouth, it might be possible to build a 0.5mm thick adapter that would let you use Nikon lenses. But not Canon or Pentax.

If they shortened the 4/3 mount to 40mm, you could adapt dang near anything, and still have it work. That would be impressive.

Since Kodan and Olympus will not ship the "4/3 system specification" to me, or to anyone that I know, I have no idea what the actual registration distance is.

Ciao!

Joe
 
I wonder if the X3 will apear anytime soon again.
Maybe in some consumer DC. no other maker would risk it after Sigma.

Foveon is not exclusiv for Cameras, their sensors can be uses in many other gear.

The only way I can see a future for foveon on the camera market is that Foveon is bought by some big manuf. such as Oly. Others that have their CMOS designs running won't leave that path.
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6 to 8 MP is my bet.
selling well below 1000$
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they are just telling you what the 35mm equivelant is using the 4/3 system

whats also good if the rumor i hear is true that the system will be avalaible under 1000 dollars, i hope that part of the rumor is true
Where did you read the lenses could cover 24x36mm frame?
I am disappointed that there is a lens focal length magnification
factor. I thought they might design dedicated and smaller cheaper
lenses.

The Lenses seem to cover the full 35 mm format. Maybe just leaving
the door open for full frame sensors. That would make a mockery of
the long awaited 3/4 system.

Ludwig
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