Anti-war protest in Denmark (pic)

Yes I know you invented the tall show didn?t you
Its 3am in Denmark time to sleep..jaus
And what the heck does the economy have to do with it????

If the US were just worried about the US economy, we wouldn't be
bothing with Iraq. You don't think that Iraq would sell us oil if
the sanctions were lifted? They would be back to competing with the
Saudi's, Russia, Etc. and prices would go down. But we are not that
selfish in our thinking.....
Certainly an interesting thread to read ... and a nice pic. Not
great ... but nice. I respectfully dissent with your political
views but certainly respect your right to express them. I'm not a
history buff .. and I certainly mean no ill will or disrespect but
must admit, I'm curious: is Denmark in a position to defend
America against another terrorist attack? The loss of another
3,000 American lives?
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
Danish military is still fighting in Afghanistan, in fact they´ve bombed a few civilians lately, on US command.

The danish government is sending our best rangers and a funny little submarine to the Gulf to fight for you.

..And, per capita, Denmark has more peace keeping soldiers in action than any other nation.

But, more importantly, Denmark is the world largest foreign aid supplier per capita.

I just don´t see Saddam as a terrorist........

Mathias
The Danish government fully supports the United States in the fight
against terror. The future economy of the United States is an other
quotation. jaus
Well jaus .... I'm sure the Danish government does :) .... er ...
but how many troops do they have in harms way hunting down
terrorist? Have a feeling the Danish government fully supports the
United States, while the United States fights the war against
terrorists. Guess that means, American Reservists and National
Guard folks are out there in harms way. Thank you for your
support. (BTW: is it true the Danish Army is unionized?)
As for the future economy of my America, don't worry. Danish dairy
products are very popular here :)
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
Its just that what you call a mess is people.
Sorry for my short comment. Good Night. jaus
There is a humanitarian catastrophy going on in Iraq, but it as at
the hand of insane UN sanctions, piloted by the US and the UK.

A rough million Iraqis, including 500.000 children has perished
from these sanctions since 1991.

This is what you call negotiation, I suppose.

Not in my name.

Have a nice comfy day.

Mathias
--
John
 
Is this what you think the war on Iraq is about?
Indeed I do. Pursuant to the reports of UN inspectors, as of 1998, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction ... and has a documented history of using them. Is it likely that Iraq will make these weapons available for use against Americans and America? No doubt in my mind.

As a VietVet, I strongly believe the taking of human life is immoral and wrong ... but, at times justifiable to preserve human life. I mean no offense ... but I don't see Danish troops, in the field, hunting down these weapons of mass destruction. I don't see Denmark confronting North Korea. Maybe I missed it. I'm just a dumb old country lawyer, from Holden, Missouri, USA ... who is watching his friends and neighbors being deployed to the Gulf and watching antiwar protests by folks who have no family, friends and neighbors in harms way. I choose to support my American men and women in uniform doing a job other nations lack the resolve/ability to do. I do not think I will depend on Denmark to keep my America safe from future terrorist attacks.
Again, I mean no ill will or disrespect
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
I really didn´t expect this much of a debate. I don´t know what I
expected. But yes, it´s been interesting.

I posted in the excitement of being able to capture such a crowd
with a very basic set of tools. This was my first shot at this, and
I see a lot of wrongs with the image as such. It has improved since
I first posted it, though. And it´s big!
This only means one of two things:

1) Your statement above is a complete falsehood

2) You are extremely naive. But since you seem to communicate somewhat effectively, I have to vote for #1.
Is the US able to defend themselves? Is this what you think the war
on Iraq is about? Because I can think of another 10 or so rogue
states that has similar weapons. Recent news says that Iran is
developing nukes. There´s the Pakistan-India nuke crisis. Israel
has nukes, but won´t admit to it. But they´ve got everything the US
has - and talk about breaches of UN resolutions!! If this war is an
example of the new US stance, we´ll have wars going on all over the
place in no time. This, to avoid terrorist attacks on american soil.
Get real. One problem at a time. Is Israel getting ready to attack Kuwait? Did they use chemical weapons against Iran? Have they displayed any agression against neighboring countries (their current dispute with the Palestinians doesn't qualify even if you would like it to). The Pakistan-India crisis is another good reason to make sure Iraq doesn't get nukes as well. And the only way we can take ALL breaches of UN resolutions seriously is when the UN themselves decides to take them seriously. But their recent performance is just proof that they cannot be taken seriously. Just another bureacratic self serving body.
Oh, well, it works for Israel.

Meanwhile, the US still refuses to sign UN threaties regarding the
Non-Profileration Treaty of nuklear weapons AS well as the
Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty - both of which are supposed
to stop spreading of WMD - and insists of keeping an armoury and
samples of some of the deadliest biological weapons in the world.
Which they happily supplied to Saddam, when they thought it was in
their own interest.
The key words there are "supposed to". What good are UN treaties if they are ignored at will? (ie North Korea). And then N. Korea claims that sanctions will be "an act of war". I suppose that will be the US's fault as well even though that too will come from the UN. Funny how the UN is a puppet of the US government when the argument is convenient, but then we are condemed for not buying into their so called "Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban" out of self preservation.

As far as "happily" supplying biological weapons to Saddam, I don't buy it. But if we did, I guess it's time to clean up our mistake.
Now, you could argue that if anyone was to be given slack it would
be the americans. And that it´s OK that the US doesn´t sign
international agreements or adher to any other UN threatys not in
their own interest, and you´d see nothing wrong with that.
The self interest of the US, a free society, with an outstanding human rights and charitable track record (more charitable than any other country) vs. that of a Dictator willing to invade, murder, **** and pillage his own people and his neighbors is hardly a comparison.
Sorry, but the double standards are apalling.
See above.
You see, there might be a just war against Saddam, but the motives
for this one is all wrong and untold. IMHO.
Personally, I could care less about motives. If it is a just war then it is a just war and motives are secondary. Except when they are as blatent as Turkey and their " give us a few billion and we'll be your friend" attitude. Or Frances "give inspections time while we secure our oil contracts".

Did I miss anything?
 
your comment: "I just don´t see Saddam as a terrorist........"

says a great deal to me about the depth of your knowledge in this whole area. What a waste of time this thread is both in terms of the quality of the photographs you posted and the and depth of your political views.

Tom
The danish government is sending our best rangers and a funny
little submarine to the Gulf to fight for you.

..And, per capita, Denmark has more peace keeping soldiers in
action than any other nation.

But, more importantly, Denmark is the world largest foreign aid
supplier per capita.

I just don´t see Saddam as a terrorist........

Mathias
The Danish government fully supports the United States in the fight
against terror. The future economy of the United States is an other
quotation. jaus
Well jaus .... I'm sure the Danish government does :) .... er ...
but how many troops do they have in harms way hunting down
terrorist? Have a feeling the Danish government fully supports the
United States, while the United States fights the war against
terrorists. Guess that means, American Reservists and National
Guard folks are out there in harms way. Thank you for your
support. (BTW: is it true the Danish Army is unionized?)
As for the future economy of my America, don't worry. Danish dairy
products are very popular here :)
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
--
D1X; Coolpix 5700; Sony 707
 
Yes, get some sleep and then tomorrow translate your reply into something we can understand. I don't have a clue how it related to anything I posted.
And what the heck does the economy have to do with it????

If the US were just worried about the US economy, we wouldn't be
bothing with Iraq. You don't think that Iraq would sell us oil if
the sanctions were lifted? They would be back to competing with the
Saudi's, Russia, Etc. and prices would go down. But we are not that
selfish in our thinking.....
Certainly an interesting thread to read ... and a nice pic. Not
great ... but nice. I respectfully dissent with your political
views but certainly respect your right to express them. I'm not a
history buff .. and I certainly mean no ill will or disrespect but
must admit, I'm curious: is Denmark in a position to defend
America against another terrorist attack? The loss of another
3,000 American lives?
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
Surely the act of going to war is political, but being against war is Humanitarian.

Most people in the UK want proof, at the moment we get a list of unconnected statements and no real proof. If we were given proof then the UK would support an attack.
--
Regards Kenf
http://www.ecocowboy.com
 
Talk is cheap. What is the Danish government DOING to fight terrorism?
--
You are right, talk is cheap!

However, I think We (as Danes) have earned the right to Our point of view by participating, among other things, in the first Gulf war, Kosovo and Afghanistan. As We discuss this. Danish F 16´s are flying in Afghanistan and a Danish submarine is en route to the Persian Gulf to fight, if necessary, in the next Gulf war.

Does this answer Your Question?

Sundance
 
Is this what you think the war on Iraq is about?
Indeed I do. Pursuant to the reports of UN inspectors, as of 1998,
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction ... and has a documented
history of using them. Is it likely that Iraq will make these
weapons available for use against Americans and America? No doubt
in my mind.
As a VietVet, I strongly believe the taking of human life is
immoral and wrong ... but, at times justifiable to preserve human
life. I mean no offense ... but I don't see Danish troops, in the
field, hunting down these weapons of mass destruction. I don't see
Denmark confronting North Korea. Maybe I missed it.
You did in fact miss it. You can read about it elsewhere in this thread.

I'm just a dumb old country lawyer, from Holden, Missouri, USA ... who is
watching his friends and neighbors being deployed to the Gulf and
watching antiwar protests by folks who have no family, friends and
neighbors in harms way. I choose to support my American men and
women in uniform doing a job other nations lack the resolve/ability
to do. I do not think I will depend on Denmark to keep my America
safe from future terrorist attacks.
Again, I mean no ill will or disrespect
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
--

I can sympathize with Your view here, although I´m not sure Your governments, motives are as admirable as Yours.

Best regards, Sundance
 
I can't believe that many of the folks in this thread have not been invited to attend the intelligence briefings that the US Intelligence gathering community gives to high level administration each day! Perhaps we should rely on the excellent record of intelligence gathering done by some of the other nations represented in this thread? Then I, for one, would sleep much better ;)

Tom
Surely the act of going to war is political, but being against war
is Humanitarian.
Most people in the UK want proof, at the moment we get a list of
unconnected statements and no real proof. If we were given proof
then the UK would support an attack.
--
Regards Kenf
http://www.ecocowboy.com
--
D1X; Coolpix 5700; Sony 707
 
I can't believe that many of the folks in this thread have not been
invited to attend the intelligence briefings that the US
Intelligence gathering community gives to high level administration
each day! Perhaps we should rely on the excellent record of
intelligence gathering done by some of the other nations
represented in this thread? Then I, for one, would sleep much
better ;)
Perhaps you could share just a little of the knowledge you get at these meetings? Then maybe you could pass it on to the weapons inspectors then maybe they could find out what happened to the anthrax the we sold to Iraq.

--
Regards Kenf
http://www.ecocowboy.com
 
Yes it does. Thank you. I believe the answer is "not much".
Talk is cheap. What is the Danish government DOING to fight terrorism?
--
You are right, talk is cheap!
However, I think We (as Danes) have earned the right to Our point
of view by participating, among other things, in the first Gulf
war, Kosovo and Afghanistan. As We discuss this. Danish F 16´s are
flying in Afghanistan and a Danish submarine is en route to the
Persian Gulf to fight, if necessary, in the next Gulf war.

Does this answer Your Question?

Sundance
 
The meeting was at my house! They were going to fill us in over beer and popcorn! Sorry you couldn't make it. I was highly suspicious of the motives of the US and the UK. You know the track record they have for sending our boys off to fight for no good reason. But since they disclosed their evidence to me, I'm all for it. I'd tell you what they said, but I promised to keep it a secret. So did the UN. So did France. So did.... well, you know. I'm sure they can keep a secret.

The other nations are coming over next week to share their intelligence with us also. But that meeting should be much much shorter. I'm still waiting for proof that it was Iraq that set those oil fires and dumped all that oil into the persian gulf. It's a consiracy I tell you! The poor guy just wants to feed his people and live peacefully ever after! Disney should come out with a movie about him!

Now, seriously: If the US and the UK can't trust their leaders with a decision as important as this, then we should kick them out immediately! I'm am usually quite leary of some of my governments decisions, but I have a lot more faith in them than to need "concrete" proof. For this, I am willing to take their word for it that this guy poses a serious threat. Evil can be sneaky sometimes, but in this case, the evil is as plain as the nose on his face.
Tom
Surely the act of going to war is political, but being against war
is Humanitarian.
Most people in the UK want proof, at the moment we get a list of
unconnected statements and no real proof. If we were given proof
then the UK would support an attack.
--
Regards Kenf
http://www.ecocowboy.com
--
D1X; Coolpix 5700; Sony 707
 
Now, seriously: If the US and the UK can't trust their leaders with
a decision as important as this, then we should kick them out
immediately!
Perhaps the US could kick Tony Blair out for us on the way to the gulf?

I probably do trust Tony Blair but his arguments do not stand up for me. Just because you trust some one you do not have to agree with them.

--
Regards Kenf
http://www.ecocowboy.com
 
If I knew the answer I can assure you that will be questioning my self, if what I believe is the truth. Ore if it what I want to believe as the truth.

What I fear is that since their no real answers, to the fear of terror that has infected us, we have lost our objectivity, and as such, seeking solution whit out questioning. jaus
And what the heck does the economy have to do with it????

If the US were just worried about the US economy, we wouldn't be
bothing with Iraq. You don't think that Iraq would sell us oil if
the sanctions were lifted? They would be back to competing with the
Saudi's, Russia, Etc. and prices would go down. But we are not that
selfish in our thinking.....
Certainly an interesting thread to read ... and a nice pic. Not
great ... but nice. I respectfully dissent with your political
views but certainly respect your right to express them. I'm not a
history buff .. and I certainly mean no ill will or disrespect but
must admit, I'm curious: is Denmark in a position to defend
America against another terrorist attack? The loss of another
3,000 American lives?
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 
If I knew the answer I can assure you that will be questioning my self, if what I believe is the truth. Ore if it what I want to believe as the truth.

What I fear is that since their no real answers, to the fear of terror that has infected us, we have lost our objectivity, and as such, seeking solution whit out questioning.
jaus
Even if that statement were true (though I doubt that it is), we
would still then be responsible for cleaning up our own mess then
wouldn't we?
 
And what the heck does the economy have to do with it????

If the US were just worried about the US economy, we wouldn't be
bothing with Iraq. You don't think that Iraq would sell us oil if
the sanctions were lifted? They would be back to competing with the
Saudi's, Russia, Etc. and prices would go down. But we are not that
selfish in our thinking.....
Certainly an interesting thread to read ... and a nice pic. Not
great ... but nice. I respectfully dissent with your political
views but certainly respect your right to express them. I'm not a
history buff .. and I certainly mean no ill will or disrespect but
must admit, I'm curious: is Denmark in a position to defend
America against another terrorist attack? The loss of another
3,000 American lives?
Regards
Karl
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.,J.D.
http://www.karltimmerman.com
 

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