I may switch to Canon -- help?

Everyone seems to forget that Canon has 1.3x in the EOS 1D. Some may also forget that the 1D shoots at 8 fps. Also, Canon glass, even Canon L glass, is consistently about 10%-15% cheaper than comparable Nikon glass. That's even true of Canon IS telephotos compared to Nikon non-VR telephotos. Even with IS, Canon long lenses are cheaper than Nikon VR-less lenses. A switch certainly allows you to have certain capabilities not available in the Nikon camp.
Iain West
Hi all ----

I have a Nikon D1X. Takes a pretty good picture. I'm pretty upset
about the 1.5x thing and the battery life stinks (300 RAW pics per
battery).

Also the lenses are expensive!

Here is what I have so far:

Nikon D1X
Nikon SB-80DX Flash
Nikkor 50mm f/1.4
Nikkor 24-85mm f/3.4-4.5
Sigma 17-35mm
Sigma 50-500mm

Am I in too deep to make a switch to Canon?

Would I benefit from switching to Canon or should I wait until the
next DSLR from Nikon later this year.

What would be the benefits and loses if I switched to Canon?
 
Is the Kodak 14n the answer?

It's FF and 14MP and supports everything that is Nikon.

Are you guys trading in your D1Xs for the 14n?
 
Everyone seems to forget that Canon has 1.3x in the EOS 1D. Some
may also forget that the 1D shoots at 8 fps. Also, Canon glass,
even Canon L glass, is consistently about 10%-15% cheaper than
comparable Nikon glass.
Yes, Canon glass is definitely a bargain in the US, but prices vary throughout the world. For example in Canada:

Nikon 80-400VR - $2,000
Nikon 300/2.8USM - $6,400

Canon 100-400L/IS - $2,500
Canon 300/2.8L/USM $7,100

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Richard D.
http://members.aol.com/richdong
 
From my price comparisons, Canon lenses are on average about 15-20% less expensive than Nikon for comparable (similar aperture and focal length) glass. In ADDITION, I am comparing Canon's IS line to Nikon's NON-VR line.

I speak as a new owner of a fabulous Nikon lens- 85mm F1.4 (that I really havent had the time to take advantage of ) however Canon also makes an interesting prime lens in that focal length and a HALF STOP FASTER (85mm F1.2) AND Canon's comes with USM (=AF-S) for $1200.

I am more impressed with Canon's lens line (IS availability thruout their line-up) than I am with their FF body. I think Nikon's D1x w/the buffer upgrade is up to the task......Unfortunately I only own the D100.
If you like the "teast" of Nikon, you would't like Canon!
How much is 1Ds? it also will have noise for long exp!
unless you mainly do action AF photo, you will switch back!
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-photoave http://phillywood.com An Amalgam of images.
 
14N, which I had a pleasure to handle, is a very solid camera. Build quality is higher than D100 (that I currently own). But electronically, it is equivalent to D100 and therefore cannot be really considered as D1x “upgrade” – frame rate, buffer, autofocus speed. In fact it looked to me like AF was slower than on D100. Demo camera had 28-70 AF-S attached and I had a feeling that it was slower than my el-cheapo 24-85G AF-S. Visibly so.

The other problem is the noise, tons of noise in shadow areas. These were photos taken by Kodak dealer on the street in our presence. It is clear to me that this is one of the main reasons why 14N is delayed so much – they have to improve noise reduction algorithm to make the product viable to high end of the market.

Having said that, with noise issue aside, I would consider 14N as an excellent and logical “upgrade” to D100 if Nikon doesn’t come up with anything similar.
Is the Kodak 14n the answer?

It's FF and 14MP and supports everything that is Nikon.

Are you guys trading in your D1Xs for the 14n?
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Peter
 
So much tearing out of the hair ... over what? The new DSLR announcement was never supposed to be on the 18th. Thom Hogan and many others said so. Looking at Nikon's track record, they always announce new DSLRs at or after the show, not before. Even so, let's look at what's on the market right now:

Nikon mount:
D1x
D1h
D100
S2

Canon mount:
D60 (discontinued)
1D
1Ds

Where is Nikon behind? 1Ds? Sure, there is currently no full frame Nikon mount DSLR. The 14n will come out soonish. And even so, is an $8000 camera an option for you? It's not for me. It probably isn't for anyone who's not a working pro or extremely rich hobbyist.

So 1Ds aside, the Nikon mount line-up and Canon mount line-up are about equivalent. Sure the 1D is a little nicer than the D1h (8fps vs 5fps, 4Mpixels vs 2.74Mpixels, 1.3x vs 1.5x), but not too much so.
the battery life stinks (300 RAW pics per battery).
According to reviews the 1D batter life is about the same. So I'm not sure what Canon camera you want to move to that will give you so much better battery life. In fact the current battery champion is probably the D100.
Also the lenses are expensive!
Yes, Nikkor glass is about 10% more expensive than the equivalent Canon glass. But if you're complaining about the cost of the lenses, can you really afford $8k for a 1Ds?
Nikon D1X
Nice body. Where is it letting you down?
Nikon SB-80DX Flash
Nice flash.
Nikkor 50mm f/1.4
Nice, sharp lens. But it's the only top-grade Nikon glass you have.
Nikkor 24-85mm f/3.4-4.5
Ok glass. Why not the 35-70 f/2.8 or 28-70 f/2.8?
Sigma 17-35mm
Why not the Nikkor 17-35 AFS?
Sigma 50-500mm
Supposedly nice.
Am I in too deep to make a switch to Canon?
Only you know your own finances. But from the outside observer's point of view, you don't have that much money invested in Nikon glass. Two of your lenses are Sigmas, one is a consumer grade Nikkor, and only one is a top-quality Nikkor prime.
Would I benefit from switching to Canon or should I wait until the
next DSLR from Nikon later this year.
What would you gain from going to Canon? Can you afford a 1Ds? If so, go for it! Otherwise, I don't see what you could gain. Think about getting some better glass instead.
 
I just brought a cheap 2nd hand D1x to replace my D100 with warranty, and it is currently being buffer upgrade by Nikon. I upgrade to D1x mainly because I need the speed, presice metering, trouble free JPEG file and natual photo as D1x really got better colour and better high light and shadow etc.....My next DSLR will be 14n when the price drop to a level I can affort...... So, in the near furture, I will have a high quality FF DSLR as well as my new D1X with speed and accuracy also come with 1.5x advantage for telephoto lens. So why should I go to Canon?

D1x, F5, 17-35, 28-70, 80-20 AFS and my new baby 85 1.4

Derrick
am not trying to talk you into sticking with nikon, actually i've
been doing
researches too because i need FF as well. But there just isn't a
'dream system' yet. kinda like what they say about spouse, a new
husband won't be less problem, just a NEW SET of problem =o)
I had a D100 and I hated the build-quality. Also the AF was sloooow.
 
I had a D100 and I hated the build-quality. Also the AF was sloooow.
Then you certainly haven't experienced how poorly the D60 auto-focus performs in low light .. the D100 is without a dout superior to the D60 there.

Two of the photographers I work with, use the D60 .. and I have played around with it often enough .. just a simple test like focusing on your left hand ring and then on the patterned carpet and then on a painting on the wall .. random objects to and fro like that .. you will easily verify that the D100 latches onto the subject far quicker and with much more 'confidence' than the D60.
 
You'll probably be whinning on the Canon forum in a month or two as well.

Canon is not any different than Nikon; each has their plus and minus features which users love and hate. Neither system is absolutely perfect.

Or instead of switching, you could stop and really learn to use the excellent tools you already have, including living with their limitations. You will not be a happy photographer, whatever you own, until you do.

JT
 
Even so, let's
look at what's on the market right now:

Nikon mount:
D1x
D1h
D100
S2

Canon mount:
D60 (discontinued)
1D
1Ds
Keep in mind that the 1D is designed to compete with the D1x and D1h, but in one body. In other words, instead of forcing Nikon users to buy two bodies for different applications (one for speed, one for quality), Canon delivered one that could deliver the frame-rate and the quality.

Of course, the 1Ds is expensive. But it is an indication of how far ahead Canon development is. Backing off the 1Ds to make a more affordable high-mp, high performance, sub-full frame (1.3x) camera seems more in the realm of possibility for Canon than it is for Nikon.

But regardless, I think we should all wait until PMA to see the full story. Obviously, the D60 replacement is coming. We'll have to see what it delivers.
Where is Nikon behind? 1Ds? Sure, there is currently no full frame
Nikon mount DSLR. The 14n will come out soonish. And even so, is an
$8000 camera an option for you? It's not for me. It probably isn't
for anyone who's not a working pro or extremely rich hobbyist.

So 1Ds aside, the Nikon mount line-up and Canon mount line-up are
about equivalent. Sure the 1D is a little nicer than the D1h (8fps
vs 5fps, 4Mpixels vs 2.74Mpixels, 1.3x vs 1.5x), but not too much
so.
the battery life stinks (300 RAW pics per battery).
According to reviews the 1D batter life is about the same. So I'm
not sure what Canon camera you want to move to that will give you
so much better battery life. In fact the current battery champion
is probably the D100.
Also the lenses are expensive!
Yes, Nikkor glass is about 10% more expensive than the equivalent
Canon glass. But if you're complaining about the cost of the
lenses, can you really afford $8k for a 1Ds?
Nikon D1X
Nice body. Where is it letting you down?
Nikon SB-80DX Flash
Nice flash.
Nikkor 50mm f/1.4
Nice, sharp lens. But it's the only top-grade Nikon glass you have.
Nikkor 24-85mm f/3.4-4.5
Ok glass. Why not the 35-70 f/2.8 or 28-70 f/2.8?
Sigma 17-35mm
Why not the Nikkor 17-35 AFS?
Sigma 50-500mm
Supposedly nice.
Am I in too deep to make a switch to Canon?
Only you know your own finances. But from the outside observer's
point of view, you don't have that much money invested in Nikon
glass. Two of your lenses are Sigmas, one is a consumer grade
Nikkor, and only one is a top-quality Nikkor prime.
Would I benefit from switching to Canon or should I wait until the
next DSLR from Nikon later this year.
What would you gain from going to Canon? Can you afford a 1Ds? If
so, go for it! Otherwise, I don't see what you could gain. Think
about getting some better glass instead.
 
I speak as a new owner of a fabulous Nikon lens- 85mm F1.4 (that I
really havent had the time to take advantage of ) however Canon
also makes an interesting prime lens in that focal length and a
HALF STOP FASTER (85mm F1.2) AND Canon's comes with USM (=AF-S)
for $1200.
I belive the difference between 1,2 and 1,4 is more like a third stop( F-stop scale is not linear). Here is an interesting comparision between the lenses.
http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/85mm/index.htm
In short the Canon seems to have slow AF and low contrast compared to the Nikon.
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according to B&H the two lenses you refer to the Nikon 85mm f 1.4 USA - not import - is $969.95, the Canon lens - 85mm f 1.2 usm - USA not import is 1499.95 - how does this add up to being 15 - 20 % less expensive?
I speak as a new owner of a fabulous Nikon lens- 85mm F1.4 (that I
really havent had the time to take advantage of ) however Canon
also makes an interesting prime lens in that focal length and a
HALF STOP FASTER (85mm F1.2) AND Canon's comes with USM (=AF-S)
for $1200.

I am more impressed with Canon's lens line (IS availability thruout
their line-up) than I am with their FF body. I think Nikon's D1x
w/the buffer upgrade is up to the task......Unfortunately I only
own the D100.
If you like the "teast" of Nikon, you would't like Canon!
How much is 1Ds? it also will have noise for long exp!
unless you mainly do action AF photo, you will switch back!
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-photoave http://phillywood.com An Amalgam of images.
 
Hello,

I have been doing this thought process for a week or so. I went to the local store which had a D60, score one for Nikon, the D100 is much nicer to handle IMO.

My main reason for switching was the lenses that I really want to acquire, a 300 f4 and a 500 f4 are IS at Canon. IS makes the 500f4 usable on a monopod. Also the 500f4 is much cheaper than the Nikon 500f4, I think the 300 f4 IS Canon is the same price.

The other nice Canon lens is the 28-135 IS. But then Nikon announces the 24-120 ED yet to be imaged with but it will probably be much better than the maligned 24-120 of old. So less need there.

For me shooting some birds and kids at low light school stuff the IS makes the difference of me getting the picture. I have the Nikon 80-400 VR and it has become my most used lens. I feel the VR has given me shots I couldn't have gotten without it. Then there is the 300 f2.8 with IS, 400 f2.8 IS.

I also noticed the D100 vs D60 noise issues. It_seems_the d60 is less noisy but at higher ASA it is not, right?

The last reason I have not changed yet is the ability to buy a Kodak, Fuji or Nikon camera body as long as you own Nikon lenses. With Canon you are married to them, I guess you could always sell the whole system but that gets old quick.

Does this make it any easier?
If you figger it out lemmeno.
;-]
Brian
Hi all ----

I have a Nikon D1X. Takes a pretty good picture. I'm pretty upset
about the 1.5x thing and the battery life stinks (300 RAW pics per
battery).

Also the lenses are expensive!

Here is what I have so far:

Nikon D1X
Nikon SB-80DX Flash
Nikkor 50mm f/1.4
Nikkor 24-85mm f/3.4-4.5
Sigma 17-35mm
Sigma 50-500mm

Am I in too deep to make a switch to Canon?

Would I benefit from switching to Canon or should I wait until the
next DSLR from Nikon later this year.

What would be the benefits and loses if I switched to Canon?
 
according to B&H the two lenses you refer to the Nikon 85mm f 1.4
USA - not import - is $969.95, the Canon lens - 85mm f 1.2 usm -
USA not import is 1499.95 - how does this add up to being 15 - 20
% less expensive?
You're not comparing apples to apples. That extra bit of speed is costly.
 
Hi Brian, Well that SPECIFIC lens isnt a fair comparison since the Canon 85 has the equivalent of AF-S and is a half-stop faster. Same thing with the 50mm F1.4 by Canon which has USM (AF-S). For sports or other fast-action photography these two functions would be quite advantageous.

I am sure the D1X would be a LOT faster than my D100 for focusing w/NON-AF-S lenses. Bottom-line....even though I didnt splurge the extra $2000 for the D1x, I would have spent extra $$ for the AF-S like feature on these primes if Nikon made them.

Personally I am not all that overworked with FF or higher pixels. I am overwhelmed by the "IS" line-up Canon offers. I am also becoming more appreciative (because of this latest snowstorm in the Northeast US) of the benefits of a well SEALED WEATHER RESISTANT body and lens mount.

Anyway back to the Image Stabilization thing. There is NO way I could be in a helicopter and shoot an event and get a sharp image with a 125 shutter speed, however with the Canon IS line-up that seems like child's play. As for price comparisons Below are USA warranteed lenses from B&H

Canon 300mm F2.8L IS USM $3,899.95 vs Nikon F2.8 300 AF-S $4,399.95

Canon 400mm F2.8L IS USM $6,499.95 vs Nikon F2.8 400 AF-S $7,699.95
and the
Canon 70-200mm F2.8L IS USM $1,699.95 vs Nikons latest VR 1900.00

Finally, I dont want to come across as a Nikon basher. I have demoed the D60 and the S2. For what I wanted (in my price range) the D100 with the RAW/NEF feature was the best choice. Though I wish I had waited for the Kodak 720 to be discounted because that would be my choice in the $2000 price range (Kodak unloaded them over Xmas on ebay)
I speak as a new owner of a fabulous Nikon lens- 85mm F1.4 (that I
really havent had the time to take advantage of ) however Canon
also makes an interesting prime lens in that focal length and a
HALF STOP FASTER (85mm F1.2) AND Canon's comes with USM (=AF-S)
for $1200.

I am more impressed with Canon's lens line (IS availability thruout
their line-up) than I am with their FF body. I think Nikon's D1x
w/the buffer upgrade is up to the task......Unfortunately I only
own the D100.
If you like the "teast" of Nikon, you would't like Canon!
How much is 1Ds? it also will have noise for long exp!
unless you mainly do action AF photo, you will switch back!
--
-photoave http://phillywood.com An Amalgam of images.
 
Hi Brian, Well that SPECIFIC lens isnt a fair comparison since the
Canon 85 has the equivalent of AF-S and is a half-stop faster.
Same thing with the 50mm F1.4 by Canon which has USM (AF-S). For
sports or other fast-action photography these two functions would
be quite advantageous.
ÓAutofocus Tests

It takes at least 3 times as long for the Canon EF 85 1.2L lens to change focus from infinity to 1.5 meters as compared to the other two lenses. The EF 85 f/1.2 L takes an estimated 1 second for the re-focusing operation in comparison to about 1/4 second for the Nikon 85 f/1.4 and the Canon 85 f/1.8. What does this mean if you are trying to focus on a performer or athelete moving directly toward or away from you? If you are trying to take a split-second grab shot of a athelete or performer, it means that you are going to miss a lot of shots with the big, slow Canon 85 f/1.2L.Ó

From the test I refered to in an earlier post.

I agree with you that AFS would be nice in every Nikon lens, but in this case the 85 1,4 from Nikon looks like a better buy.

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Sorry, I never own a Canon (But I played many in the shows and from my friend before) even just a film SLR, I am a Nikon fans, I don't like the design of Canon (D) SLR at all and I have big investment of Nikon AFS lens, lucky, my Dad used Nikon, that's why I follow him since 14.

But I love my S45

Derrick
I had a D100 and I hated the build-quality. Also the AF was sloooow.
Then you certainly haven't experienced how poorly the D60
auto-focus performs in low light .. the D100 is without a dout
superior to the D60 there.

Two of the photographers I work with, use the D60 .. and I have
played around with it often enough .. just a simple test like
focusing on your left hand ring and then on the patterned carpet
and then on a painting on the wall .. random objects to and fro
like that .. you will easily verify that the D100 latches onto the
subject far quicker and with much more 'confidence' than the D60.
 

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