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Anyone tried the Nikon WC-E68 wideangle lens?

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misha said:
What special adapter is needed? From the link below, the lens is
available for 43mm, 49mm and larger thread sizes, so it appears
that it will work with just the CLA-1 adapter?
http://www.bugeyedigital.com/product_main/ray-hd6600pro.html
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Misha
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I can't find a reasonable explanation for the special adapter either, after having looked at lenses available for other Oly cameras. The DCR-5000 .5x, for example, is available for 3040, just like the .66x lens. The C-5050 and C-3040 have the same lens. Hence, I would deduct that, what works with C-3040 should also work with C-5050, or am I missing something?

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Alien
 
What I have understand you must for many of the add-on-lenses to C-5050 have the RT5241 adapter (more like a simple tube), but with it and a DCR-6600Pro you got more dark corners and perhaps more other issues (they didnt tell), it will work but they are making a better tube for the 6600. They said, dont be angry on the messenger (me) if they don't make it!

I really would have liked to put on the DCR-5000 (0,5X) but they said it will not fit with any adapter (tube). However it would be nice to hear from someone who might have tried that with a C-5050?
 
Jochum Berg said:
What I have understand you must for many of the add-on-lenses to
C-5050 have the RT5241 adapter (more like a simple tube), but with
it and a DCR-6600Pro you got more dark corners and perhaps more
other issues (they didnt tell), it will work but they are making a
better tube for the 6600. They said, dont be angry on the messenger
(me) if they don't make it!
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Jochum, no, I'm not angry about the messenger. It's confusing that it's working on the C-3040 and not on the C-5050. So, let's wait for the adapter then. I think they'll make one, 'cause I think that the C5050 is selling pretty well. Why should they reject their share from the pie.
Jochum Berg said:
I really would have liked to put on the DCR-5000 (0,5X) but they
said it will not fit with any adapter (tube). However it would be
nice to hear from someone who might have tried that with a C-5050?
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That's a pitty. I would have loved the DCR-5000. Just imagine architectural shots with a 17.5-52.5mm lens. Many DSLR user can only dream about it. If the problem is vignetting and one has to pull the zoom back to 20mm or so, I think it would still be a great combination. Let's hope that someone can try it, or look at the lens and tell why it cannot fit on a C-5050.
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Alien
 
Alien said:
Alien said:
That's a pitty. I would have loved the DCR-5000. Just imagine
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architectural shots with a 17.5-52.5mm lens. Many DSLR user can
only dream about it. If the problem is vignetting and one has to
pull the zoom back to 20mm or so, I think it would still be a great
combination. Let's hope that someone can try it, or look at the
lens and tell why it cannot fit on a C-5050.
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Keep in mind that it is not recommended to use wide angle converters with the camera's lens in telephoto position - image quality will suffer.
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Misha
 
Yes. I'm with you. I think its a pity Olympus doesnt make a wider quality lense than 28mm to all their good range of camera models, I really should like something like 17 to 20mm. I'm really not found of to have to buy the Raynox expensive and huge fisheye when it is a rectilinear I really wants. Another thing I quite cant understand is that Raynox has a new HD-5000PRO (0,5X) lense with a really superb resolution but despite that they claims it will only works with camcorders? Like waisting diamants to pigs, maybe it fits only smaller lenses?

Second thing I doesnt understand is why DCR-5000 (also 0.5X) fits Canon G3 but not Oly C5050 when the other wideangles fits both? So still curious to hear if anyone has tested this combo?

Next time I afford I guess I'll buy the DCR 6600, it seems to be quite good quality, not much distortion.

Otherwise this is a interesting thread, hope there will come more proposals on good wide angle lenses!
 
Jochum Berg said:
Yes. I'm with you. I think its a pity Olympus doesnt make a wider
quality lense than 28mm to all their good range of camera models, I
really should like something like 17 to 20mm...
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The current status of available Oly add-on lenses for C-5050 as posted previously by an OTF member is that only the 1.45x lens is noted as compatible with the C-5050 on the Oly site (I haven't checked since weeks, if it should be different by now, then I apologize by Oly). I don't quite understand Oly's logic. The C-x0x0 type of cameras have a certain history and standards of a typical system camera. Then, why is there just a few add on lenses available? Nikon maintained it's standards with its lenses, and hence with its add on lenses such that new CP cameras are compatible with existing accessories. Oly could have done that too. Or, am I missing something.
Jochum Berg said:
...I'm really not found
of to have to buy the Raynox expensive and huge fisheye when it is
a rectilinear I really wants. Another thing I quite cant understand
is that Raynox has a new HD-5000PRO (0,5X) lense with a really
superb resolution but despite that they claims it will only works
with camcorders? Like waisting diamants to pigs, maybe it fits only
smaller lenses?
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Well, I haven't give up on the DCR-5000 yet. I will try that on a C-5050 as soon as I can. I remember having seen pics of C-5050 and C-4040 with extracted lenses showing the length of the extracted part. If I'm recalling correctly then the C-5050 was a little longer, something like .5mm. If that's the reason Raynox claims that the lens is not compatible with C-5050 because their current 5241 adapter is too short, then I think there is an easy solution: Shimming, i.e., the Raynox adapter or the CLA-1 & 41-52mm stepup ring, plus an empty ring to enable the C-5050 lens to extract without crashing.
Jochum Berg said:
Second thing I doesnt understand is why DCR-5000 (also 0.5X) fits
Canon G3 but not Oly C5050 when the other wideangles fits both? So
still curious to hear if anyone has tested this combo?
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It cannot be lens diameter, because I think the G3 lens has a bigger diameter and the DCR-5000 is still compatible. So, I think it's the C-5050 lens that's extracting a bit further as I have stated above.
Jochum Berg said:
Next time I afford I guess I'll buy the DCR 6600, it seems to be
quite good quality, not much distortion.
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Yep, it's an interseting lens and seems to have a lot les distortion than the DCR-5000. I have downloaded the sample pix from Raynox' site, and tried to fix the lens distortion on those pix with the spherize filter of Photoshop. My comparison results are:

1. My C-4040 at full wide requires spherize filter set to -6% to fix the distortion.

2. My C-4040 at full wide with the .8x Oly lens put on requires spherize filter set to -7% to fix the distortion. Actualy this is only an increase by 1%, which to me shows the good optical quality of the lens.

3. C-3040 with DCR-6600 as applied to the small sample pic from Raynox site requires spherize set to -22 to fix the distortion (that's a lot).

4. C-3040 (I think it was) with DCR-5000 again applied to the small sample pic from the Raynox site requires spherize set at least to -50% (-100%, which is the maximum value shows still some distortion).

Hence, these are actually not the best choices. But, what else do we have? Therefore, I'm very interested to see the interaction of C-5050 with Nikon WC-E68 lens. this combo may have less distortion.
Jochum Berg said:
Otherwise this is a interesting thread, hope there will come more
proposals on good wide angle lenses!
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I hope there will be more contribution.

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Alien
 
Hi Jochum,

Thank you very much for the info and the link. The lens is supplied with a 43mm adapter, but this seems to be for DV cams only. The Nikon Coolpix cams have 28mm treads. So, the 37mm mounting tread of this .3x lens will fit them perfectly while it may vignette badly with Oly's 43mm treads. I feel left alone...

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Alien
 
:-)

Actually, I begin to think I bought wrong brand, ponder on if I shall sell my C-5050 and buy a Nikon instead, the range of wideangle adapters to Oly are pretty poor and this Raynox 3030pro would be perfect otherwise. However I have not the steam or afford to do it so I might wait for the heavy fisheye I ordered, maybe something else interesting pops up someday, hope I can afford a better digital system-camera soon within a few years... without chromatic abberation...

Cheers!
 
Well, I must admit that the Nikon CP5000 was one of my candidates. I liked the Nikon and 3rd party supplied accesories. However, I wasn't happy with what I'd read about its AF and slow lens. Also, it's raw capability and tendency to blow high lights were deal breakers for me. It's price fell radically in the past 1 or 2 months, which made me think that there is an upgrade about to come. Hence, Nikon didin't announce anything in that league yet.

The C-5050 is an excellently built camera. If only Olympus would support it with a usefull series of add on lenses...

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Alien
 
This is my first digital camera and I have hard time to not blow out high lights with this, that didnt happend with film. And the cumbersome and poor manual focus, the color abberation, and all buttons placed illogical everywhere and the deep menys its a hard time to get used with it. But in this aspects OLY seems better than other digitals, they all seems not to be designed for manual use, it was much simplier to photograph with my old film-camera, I just wanted that but with a digital film sensor, now I got a computer instead to handle with twenty buttons but with no really good wide angle...
Though I'm quite happy with, it's a good camera, I'm just little unused to it...

I also read about the Nikon shortcomings but now when seeing all the lenses to it I anyway regret my choice. It's like build a very good car but not having any tires to put on, really hope Olympus could improve these shortcomings, read somewhere herearound a guy that wrote to Olympus to complain or ask for improvments, wonder if it could be worth to try?
 
Jochum Berg said:
This is my first digital camera and I have hard time to not blow
out high lights with this, that didnt happend with film. And the
cumbersome and poor manual focus, the color abberation, and all
buttons placed illogical everywhere and the deep menys its a hard
time to get used with it. But in this aspects OLY seems better than
other digitals, they all seems not to be designed for manual use,
it was much simplier to photograph with my old film-camera, I just
wanted that but with a digital film sensor, now I got a computer
instead to handle with twenty buttons but with no really good wide
angle...
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My first DC was a Oly C-4040. I have sold it because of blown high lights, and lack of control due to missing live histogram. The C-5050 has this feature, and it's quiet an help in difficult lit scenes. This camera has a lot of controls, and requires some practice and understanding to use it efficiently. It's a totaly different beast than a 35mm film camera. One trick I try to use the wide angle limitation is to shoot a 2 pic panorama. That helps to capture a wider area than with a single shot. Of course it doesn't give teh perspective of a wide angle lens, but it helps to save the moment.
Jochum Berg said:
Though I'm quite happy with, it's a good camera, I'm just little
unused to it...
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I understand. Just don't give up. The more one tries and practices the better one utilizes these complex appearing tools and their interaction. Practicing helps to abstract the controls of the camera to tools which helps the photgrapher to solve problems. The more one does it and keeps track of what has been done, the better one understands the use of the controls and their interaction. And also, the more oe does it, the faster one becomes. After a certain time utilizing those controls becomes a reflex. I repeat it it's a matter of practice and patience.
Jochum Berg said:
I also read about the Nikon shortcomings but now when seeing all
the lenses to it I anyway regret my choice.
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Well, if you should look at the NTF, then you'll notice that the guys over there use Oly tele lenses quiet often. So, their options doesn't seem to be perfect either. I use 80% of the time the zoom range 35-105mm. This means to me that I get 80% of the time very good results without the shortcomings of the other system. And, in many cases the trick I mentioned above helps me to overcome the wide angle limitation. However, a good WA would have helped me to capture certain moments in one frame (which means faster, and a different perspective), and to shoot better/easier inner architechtural photos. It's not easy to stitch the latter type of shots if not shot with using nodal point of the lens, etc.
Jochum Berg said:
It's like build a very
good car but not having any tires to put on, really hope Olympus
could improve these shortcomings, read somewhere herearound a guy
that wrote to Olympus to complain or ask for improvments, wonder if
it could be worth to try?
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I think we should write to Olympus. Otherwise there is less chance to show them our demand.

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Alien
 
I have only noticed the histogram function before, it seems useful, I'd better learn to use it, thanks!

OK, and it is also a significant price difference between Nikon 5700 and C-5050 so I will stick a while here with my Oly.

BTW I got confirmed from a Raynox guy that this last HD-3030PRO has too small back lense so it will crop the picture badly if put on a C-5050. :-(

Do you know a adress to write to OLY? Do you think it will make any change if its only we two that writes? Could we collect some more votes here somehow? What is it we want? My wish is to choose between a wider wideangle that they got now (17-20mm?) and a fisheye or semifisheye, whats yours wish? The Raynox 6600PRO was it not wide enough for you? Not for me either. And of course Raynox already have a fisheye, though pretty big and heavy... (I will get it on Monday) on other hand it could be physical impossible to make a smaller fisheye for the Oly bigger lense, Raynox would have made one if they could perhaps...
 
Jochum Berg said:
I have only noticed the histogram function before, it seems useful,
I'd better learn to use it, thanks!
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My pleasure. If you do a search for histogram on google, you'll find many useful links describing what it is. I think on the Retouching Forum were also a couple good links explaining it for Photoshop.
Jochum Berg said:
OK, and it is also a significant price difference between Nikon
5700 and C-5050 so I will stick a while here with my Oly.
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Yes, the 5700 is an expensive camera indeed.
Jochum Berg said:
BTW I got confirmed from a Raynox guy that this last HD-3030PRO has
too small back lense so it will crop the picture badly if put on a
C-5050. :-(
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I agree: :-(
Jochum Berg said:
Do you know a adress to write to OLY?
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No. But I think we can find the distributor addresses easily. To be honest, I haven't checked if they have feedback address on any Olympus site. I'll check it.
Jochum Berg said:
Do you think it will make any change if its only we two that writes?
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Well, it's not very encouraging, if it's just two of us.
Jochum Berg said:
Could we collect some more votes here somehow?
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Why not. We could start a new thread, and ask people to write to Oly. However, it would be good to supply thme with the appropriate address.
Jochum Berg said:
What is it we want?
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I want a wideangle like 20 or 22 mm...
Jochum Berg said:
My wish is to choose between a wider wideangle that they got now (17-20mm?) and a
fisheye or semifisheye, whats yours wish?
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That range would be fine for me too. Even 20 would be anough. Fisheye? I don't know, I have never used a fisheye lens before. What do you want to do with it?
Jochum Berg said:
The Raynox 6600PRO was it not wide enough for you?
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Well, .66x multiplier would give 23mm on a C5050, and 21mm on C4000. A little wider on the C5050 would be better for inner architectural shots IMO.
Jochum Berg said:
Not for me either. And of course Raynox already have a fisheye, though pretty big
and heavy... (I will get it on Monday)
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Congrats. Enjoy it. I'd appreciate it very much if you would post a full size sample some time.
Jochum Berg said:
on other hand it could be physical impossible to make
a smaller fisheye for the Oly bigger lense, Raynox would have made
one if they could perhaps...
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I think they could make smaller one. But, that wouldn't have fit the Oly I think. On the other hand there are cams like the 717 which requires a bigger lens mount tread than the Oly. So, I think Raynox constructs a lens that fits all, i.e. a big one.

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Alien
 
Fine!

What now, shall we write now or will you make a new thread and see if it is anyone more interested to be with us?

A 20mm or wider in first place and a fisheye in second place and see what the other says?

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