SLR + Scanner?

Andreas P. said:

dw said:

andreas,
do consider the epson perfection 1200Photo(florescent lamp) or the
1600Photo(xenon lamp). Both can scan pos/neg very well and as far as my
1200P is concerned, the scanned quality is comparable with the S70
images. dw.

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Yes, of course the from me mentioned scanners only are examples.
Following your results the quality isn't better?

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andreas,

did scanned some positives at various res and found the scanned images comparable to the original positives. as for the S70, did not do a similar photo comparison as yet but looking at other print/screen output quality the images are not distingishable. As far as scanners r concerned, it largely depends on your source. Excellent source=excellent results. For pro work, my choice would be the 1600P. dw

Andreas P. said:

Best regards,

Andreas

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I owned Minolta Dual Sacn a months before, The image is much larger, more details but too much retouching job to be done after scanning, also the scanning speed are too slow, on my PIII-800 PC, it cost 6mins for 1 film (including prescan, scan and transfer). Finally I sold it, I prefer to buy a better SLR DC than a Film scanner.

sek

Andreas P. said:

Hi,

Well this question doesn't match especially the Sony forum but i hope
to receive some useful feedback.
I am thinking about to buy an Nikon F-90 and a scanner like (Nikon
LS2000 or Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II ) to scan the dia positves
or the negatives.
So the question is: Which quality can i expect from those scans. Will
they be significantly better
than i.g. the F505V raw images.

Any input would be most appreciated!

Best regards,

Andreas

(Canon D30 is still in my mind too)

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sek said:

I owned Minolta Dual Sacn a months before, The image is much larger,
more details but too much retouching job to be done after scanning, also
the scanning speed are too slow, on my PIII-800 PC, it cost 6mins for 1
film (including prescan, scan and transfer). Finally I sold it, I prefer
to buy a better SLR DC than a Film scanner.

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Sek,

Thanks for sharing your opinion. So you also would prefer a DC like the D30?

DscMax said:

As a compromise - taking also into account the price - why don't you
(Andreas) buy an Olympus E10 ? It's not expensive as a Nikon D30 and
it's very similar to that a true camera and not similar to an high level
toy !

Reagrds,
DscMax

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Hi,

Well the Olympus is 1900USD the Canon around 3000 USD. The features
of the E10 are interesting but in this price range i would expect interchangable
lenses.

Best regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. said:

Andreas P. said:

4. I am not sure how long the lamp or LED can keep the correct
illumination ( color balance or whatever ). Is there any hidden cost for
that ?

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Well, this had to be figured out.

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I think actual scanner owners of various models may want to add their experiences about this. My firend believes that the fluorescent bulb in his scanner will require expensive replacement at some point. And he doesn't know how to order what, if that happens. According to him, the light buld also has "aging" effect. So, from time to time he calibrates it with the standard slides that he paid $100.

Andreas P. said:

DscMax said:

As a compromise - taking also into account the price - why don't you
(Andreas) buy an Olympus E10 ? It's not expensive as a Nikon D30 and
it's very similar to that a true camera and not similar to an high level
toy !

Reagrds,
DscMax

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Hi,

Well the Olympus is 1900USD the Canon around 3000 USD. The features
of the E10 are interesting but in this price range i would expect
interchangable lenses.

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I would also go for Cannon. There is a thread in Cannon forum that one company is US has started taking pre-orders. And some guys over there already pre-ordered it.

I have seen nothing but good stories about the D30 until yesterday. Someone heard from his friend that there were situations where the shutter didn't fire as the focus was not ready. Then, there was another report that D30 had faster focus than D1.
By the way, what would be the major factors for you to consider D1 or D30 ?
1. Interchangeable lens
2. Shutter lag ;-)
3. DOF
4. Viewfinder
5. Access to the raw data
6. Accurate Autofocus ;-)
7. Higher ISO with less noise
8. ..you add..
For the shots that I am taking, the priority goes in this order, 1> 6> 7> 3> 4.

Member said:

I would also go for Cannon. There is a thread in Cannon forum that one
company is US has started taking pre-orders. And some guys over there
already pre-ordered it.
I have seen nothing but good stories about the D30 until yesterday.
Someone heard from his friend that there were situations where the
shutter didn't fire as the focus was not ready. Then, there was another
report that D30 had faster focus than D1.
By the way, what would be the major factors for you to consider D1 or D30 ?
1. Interchangeable lens
2. Shutter lag ;-)
3. DOF
4. Viewfinder
5. Access to the raw data
6. Accurate Autofocus ;-)
7. Higher ISO with less noise
8. ..you add..
For the shots that I am taking, the priority goes in this order, 1> 6> 7> 3> 4.

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Hi,

1> 2> 3> 7

I prefer manual focus which is always possible with interchangable lenses.

Oh, i am not considering the D1. This is cam is too expensive for me (2000 USD more)

Best regards,

Andreas

Pondria said:

Member said:

Member said:

4. I am not sure how long the lamp or LED can keep the correct
illumination ( color balance or whatever ). Is there any hidden cost for
that ?

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Well, this had to be figured out.

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I think actual scanner owners of various models may want to add their
experiences about this. My firend believes that the fluorescent bulb in
his scanner will require expensive replacement at some point. And he
doesn't know how to order what, if that happens. According to him, the
light buld also has "aging" effect. So, from time to time he calibrates
it with the standard slides that he paid $100.

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Well,

I am now nearly convinced that the scanner idea won't be the
choice for me.
Reasons for me are: The time and the handling of those big files.

Best regards,

Andreas

Hi Andreas P,

I have thought a similar thing for a long time. Did you know that Nikon 990/950/880 have a slider adapter which digitalizes color slides? The manual writes it can use for negatives too (???). This adapter is not available now, there is a third party adapter:

http://www.dcresource.com/SlideCopier/index.html

Here my thoughts. According to the HP, the expensive film scanner is just a bit superior to the CP 950+ adapter, but how about the comparison between the 3.3 mil pix CP 990+ adapter + slide film with the digital image taken by CP 990 itself (or F505V)? Note that the sample in the HP was made with 2 mil pix CP950, so we expect better details in the sample if it was made with CP990. Anyone has any infomation?

I think the processing speed is much faster than doing with film scanners, and it is also much cheaper if you own the Nikon already. So they can compensate for its bit inferior quality with a expensive film scanner. Unfornaturely, there is no same adapter for Sony series.

P.S.: I have a S70 and I don't mean any war between Nikon and Sony here. Just between SRL+ film scanner and Digital camera + Copy adapter and one info input for Andreas P.

Best regards,

Andreas P. said:

Hi,

Well this question doesn't match especially the Sony forum but i hope
to receive some useful feedback.
I am thinking about to buy an Nikon F-90 and a scanner like (Nikon
LS2000 or Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II ) to scan the dia positves
or the negatives.
So the question is: Which quality can i expect from those scans. Will
they be significantly better
than i.g. the F505V raw images.

Any input would be most appreciated!

Best regards,

Andreas

(Canon D30 is still in my mind too)

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Huu,

Thanks a lot for your input. Although i can't answer your question this would
a reason for me to keep my CP990.

Best regards,

Andreas

Andreas P. said:

Well the Olympus is 1900USD the Canon around 3000 USD. The features

of the E10 are interesting but in this price range i would expect > interchangable lenses.

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Hi Andreas and all,

I confuse the Canon D30 with the Nikon D1 (sorry). In any case I would like to have both !

Interchangable lenses: I know that the CCD can be damaged if exposed to air (cause of the dust) so I think it's preferable to have an hermetic camera. With the currently available zoom maybe is no more strictly mandatory to have interchangable lenses (also it would be fine).

Regards.

DscMax said:

Andreas P. said:

Well the Olympus is 1900USD the Canon around 3000 USD. The features

of the E10 are interesting but in this price range i would expect > interchangable lenses.

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Hi Andreas and all,
I confuse the Canon D30 with the Nikon D1 (sorry). In any case I would
like to have both !

Interchangable lenses: I know that the CCD can be damaged if exposed to
air (cause of the dust) so I think it's preferable to have an hermetic
camera. With the currently available zoom maybe is no more strictly
mandatory to have interchangable lenses (also it would be fine).

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Hi,

Well regarding the danger of damaging the CCD we should ask (or look) in
the Pro - Forum. The currently zoom of the Oly is 140 mm, i think this is
a con (okay they are developing a 3x converter too).

Best regards,

Andreas

Don't know about anyone else but for me this product is a dream come true. Came online tonight to start researching film scanners (for my brand-new n-70) so that I could modify them in photoshop along with my 990 pictures. Well now my film pictures will be the same size (and quality--not too much a con I suppose) as the thousands of digital images I already have (plus the ability to get truly high quality prints if need be). Any other news about the nikon version of the adaptor? (guess it doesn't matter since I just ordered the Happenstance version)

Dustin

Andreas P. said:

Huu,

Thanks a lot for your input. Although i can't answer your question this
would
a reason for me to keep my CP990.

Best regards,

Andreas

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Understanding of the image quality that can be produced by a film scanner can be a bit tricky. Basically scanners will invariably capture more colour and image detail than any consumer or prosumer digital camera on the market due to the fact that the scanner optics literally takes separate readings for red, green and blue in the image being scanned and not merely a cumulative capture as do most digicams. This, coupled with the large bit depths that scanners such as the two you've mentioned can capture means that the resultant images simply have more detail and colour information than a consumer or prosumer digicam can capture. The image quality of a camera such as a F505V is VERY good, a combination of a good CCD and lens (Carl Zeiss) probably the best image quality on the market in that price bracket. A GREAT digicam advantage is that the image captured is first generation so dust and scratches aren't a factor. So given a really good digicam, you can get some great images.

The choice depends on your shooting style. Do you need quick image turnaround? If so then a digicam may be your best choice, however having used both digicams and 35mm SLR's the best flexibilty and quality for me was acheived with the 35mm/scanner combination simply because I did not need the immediacy of a digicam. In certain shooting situations digicams quite simply FAIL!!! I don't care about the hype people chant with respect to pumping the ISO on small CCD based digicams the quality pure and simply sucks. I do lots of available light work and my combination of 800 speed film and my scanner kicked the crap out of the Olympus digicam I was using. The colour and detail retention was soooo superior it was a joke.

So to bring this LONG reply to an end, carefully evaluate your shooting practices and if a high quality scanner and 35mm combo is acceptable with respect to image retrieval, go with it ,the quality and flexiblity are WAY superior to the vast majority of affordable digicams on the market. Also 35mm slr systems offer a photographer way more flexibility and growth potential than do digicams merely because the technology is mature and well established with tons of options. If however time is a factor and you still want to enjoy your photograhy consider one of the better digicams on the market and above all enjoy the art, thats whats important.

As an alternative to the scanner, can we consider Kodak Photo CD ? In US, if you give them films, they will scan them and write a CD for you. I heard that the image size is about 1.5M and the quality is pretty good. Has anyone tried it ?

Andreas P. said:

Hi,

Well this question doesn't match especially the Sony forum but i hope
to receive some useful feedback.
I am thinking about to buy an Nikon F-90 and a scanner like (Nikon
LS2000 or Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II ) to scan the dia positves
or the negatives.
So the question is: Which quality can i expect from those scans. Will
they be significantly better
than i.g. the F505V raw images.

Any input would be most appreciated!

Best regards,

Andreas

(Canon D30 is still in my mind too)

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Hi,

Thanks for your input!

Well i think to build an better opinion we would need an side by side comparison: digicam raw file versus scanned SLR image. Not so easy!
Pondrias idea of the Kodak CD should be included in this comparison.
Any idea if there is already an internet ressource regarding this topic?

Best regards,

Andreas

Aw, heck. Just sell a kidney and buy the Canon D30.

Andreas P. said:

Hi,

Well this question doesn't match especially the Sony forum but i hope
to receive some useful feedback.
I am thinking about to buy an Nikon F-90 and a scanner like (Nikon
LS2000 or Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II ) to scan the dia positves
or the negatives.
So the question is: Which quality can i expect from those scans. Will
they be significantly better
than i.g. the F505V raw images.

Any input would be most appreciated!

Best regards,

Andreas

(Canon D30 is still in my mind too)

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Yes, the Imaging-resource guys post Photo-CD scans for the review comparisons.

Andreas P. said:

Hi,

Thanks for your input!

Well i think to build an better opinion we would need an side by side
comparison: digicam raw file versus scanned SLR image. Not so easy!
Pondrias idea of the Kodak CD should be included in this comparison.
Any idea if there is already an internet ressource regarding this topic?

Best regards,

Andreas

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