1D - how large can you print?

marty_ · Feb 9, 2003

I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000 and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

Kevin Roczey · Feb 9, 2003

You sure can. A lot will depend upon how finely detailed the subject is and how well it is shot. I have several 13x19's from my 1D though, certainly better than your Coolpix 5000 would do, especially at higher ISO's.

I even printed 1 picture across 4 13x19's in a 2 x 2 format. I think it's great.

Kevin R.

martys said:
I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

Nill Toulme · Feb 9, 2003

I print nice 13x19's on my 2200 even with some cropping. The 1D's images will bear a considerable amount of uprezzing with grace and dignity.

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net

martys said:
I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

LJ Wobker · Feb 10, 2003

You'll hear lots of people say that 4MP is "not enough" to print at 13x19 -- but that's up to you to decide. A 4MP image is approximately 2450x1630, so if we do some rounding (because 13x19 isn't exactly a 2:3 ratio) you end up with something very close to 128 pixels per inch... here's an example:

13in x 128dpi = 1664
19in x 128dpi = 2432
1664x2432=4,046848 pixels.

So knowing this, you need to decide if 128dpi is "good enough" for you. To help with this very decision, I built a "test" print that I use as example of what you can get given varying DPI. The link is here:

http://www.pbase.com/image/10302684

Take this image and print it AS IS on 5x7 paper, and then look at the "125dpi" section, and decide if it's good enough for you. I tried to pick an image that had as much fine detail as possible to start with, so hopefully this will help you out. Since I'm normally printing out 13x19s to hang on my wall, I don't expect people to have their faces up to the prints... I've printed 13x19s at about 75-100dpi and been perfectly happy with the results.

As another option, you can take an image and set it up as though you're going to print it at 13x19, and then just crop a 4x6 section out and print that for a quality test... this way you get to see exactly what kind of quality you're going to get, but it will cost you 20c for paper, 10c for ink, and 2 minutes instead of 10 times all of those ;-)

Hope this helps.

--lj

martys said:
I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

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DavidP #28649 · Feb 10, 2003

And you can go up to 24x36, too.

martys said:
I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise

T B Gray · Feb 10, 2003

I recall a similar recent thread...

I print fairly often at 13x19 with my D30 (no room to crop though) and get acceptable results. By that I mean that I have sold several prints of that size to co-workers. I haven't expriemented with different resolutions so that might be interesting. So far everything I print is 240 dpi. I've done 75 DPI by mistake (not acceptable) but 150 might be worth a try.

I find that Fred Miranda's Stair Interpoloation action (rezzing up in 110% increments) works fine and I use that most often even though I also have Genuine Fractals.

OTOH...

A lot depends on how critical your standards are. Take a 1D image and print it out (there are lots of samples here and at Steve's Digicams) and see. If you get acceptable results and IF you are feeling adventureous download a 1Ds shot (Steve's is nice cause he shoots the same subject matter for his tests - 28-135 IS tho) print that and see if you're still satisfied with the 1D.

marty_ · Feb 14, 2003

This is great info, thanks folks. I really can't afford a 1Ds and am hesitant to get a D60 for action shots. I really want a D60 w/45pt autofocus. If Canon development will ever deliver a 3D or D90 it will really fill this need. Sounds like if I pick up a 1D on ebay it would be a great camera for what I want to do. too bad it's not packaged without the integrated battery pack on the bottom. Size is the one downside of the 1D.

thanks again,
Marty

FXRman · Feb 14, 2003

Can I just another question? I have an image taken with my D30, the only problem is that it was taken (from memory) on the fine/small size (1440x960), file size 624Kb, the ISO was 800. I want to get a large print of it but am not sure if it can be done. The link below is a copy of the original that I added to my website, I live in the UK. Can anyone give me an idea of whether it would be possible? I was hoping for something larger than 18"x15".

Any assistance greatly appreciated, thanks in advance

FX

Russell Stewart · Feb 14, 2003

Considering your subject matter you may just get away with it.

I would first use Neat Image to remove the ISO grain and then upscale using Genuine Fractals or VF Zoom.

I have taken a 1.3Mb crop from one of my D60 image and printed it at 20x30 inches@250ppi after interpolating with GF and it looks fantastic! Everybody thinks it is full frame.

Russell

FXRman said:
Can I just another question? I have an image taken with my D30, the
only problem is that it was taken (from memory) on the fine/small
size (1440x960), file size 624Kb, the ISO was 800. I want to get a
large print of it but am not sure if it can be done. The link below
is a copy of the original that I added to my website, I live in the
UK. Can anyone give me an idea of whether it would be possible? I
was hoping for something larger than 18"x15".

Any assistance greatly appreciated, thanks in advance

FX

Donald Maldonado · Feb 14, 2003

Lj,

I just printed 3 5x7 images using your file using my Kodak 8500 printer: 125 dpi by itself IS very good!. I then rez up to 300dpi using Genuine fractals printed another 5x7 then used small amount of PS USM and printed the last 5x7. To me it appears that the rez'ed up image with a small amount of USM at 125 dpi is just as crisp with detail as the original jpeg at 250dpi!
thanks for sharing

LJ Wobker said:
13in x 128dpi = 1664
19in x 128dpi = 2432
1664x2432=4,046848 pixels.

So knowing this, you need to decide if 128dpi is "good enough" for
you. To help with this very decision, I built a "test" print that
I use as example of what you can get given varying DPI. The link
is here:

http://www.pbase.com/image/10302684

Take this image and print it AS IS on 5x7 paper, and then look at
the "125dpi" section, and decide if it's good enough for you. I
tried to pick an image that had as much fine detail as possible to
start with, so hopefully this will help you out. Since I'm
normally printing out 13x19s to hang on my wall, I don't expect
people to have their faces up to the prints... I've printed 13x19s
at about 75-100dpi and been perfectly happy with the results.

As another option, you can take an image and set it up as though
you're going to print it at 13x19, and then just crop a 4x6 section
out and print that for a quality test... this way you get to see
exactly what kind of quality you're going to get, but it will cost
you 20c for paper, 10c for ink, and 2 minutes instead of 10 times
all of those ;-)

Hope this helps.

--lj

martys said:

I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

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Lj Wobker CanonD60 Sigma28-70/2.8
Sigma70-200/2.8 w/ Sigma TC 2x and 1.4x

Bill40515 · Feb 14, 2003

martys said:
I know the 1D is meant as a journalist' camera with its fast
focusing and frame rate, but is a 4MB sensor large enough to print
a decent 13x19in print on an Epson 2200? I know there have been
coutless threads on resoluton and printing, but I'm trying to hear
from someone who's actually tried this. I'm using a Coolpix 5000
and in fine mode I can print 13x19, but that's about the limit on
that little camera. With the 1D's larger pixels I'm curious if you
can push it a little large and get away with it before pixelation
becomes visible to the eye.

thanks,
Marty

FXRman · Feb 14, 2003

Thanks Russell, I'll give it a go...

FX

Russell Stewart said:
Considering your subject matter you may just get away with it.

I would first use Neat Image to remove the ISO grain and then
upscale using Genuine Fractals or VF Zoom.

I have taken a 1.3Mb crop from one of my D60 image and printed it
at 20x30 inches@250ppi after interpolating with GF and it looks
fantastic! Everybody thinks it is full frame.

Russell

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