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God bless the Columbia crew
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jaus,
You could be right or wrong on your opinions about the US, their president or anything else. What I think you're wrong about is putting politics where there are not politics. This is about 7 people who lost their lives in a multinational research project which involves many, if not all, of us.
Politics to politics. I do not think they have anything to do here.
Best,
Dioni
You don't take a photograph, you make it (Ansel Adams)
You could be right or wrong on your opinions about the US, their president or anything else. What I think you're wrong about is putting politics where there are not politics. This is about 7 people who lost their lives in a multinational research project which involves many, if not all, of us.
Politics to politics. I do not think they have anything to do here.
Best,
Dioni
You don't take a photograph, you make it (Ansel Adams)
netop
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I do care about people, as I think most people do here, but tell me even when its absurd, how many people will have paid their little finger if it was possible to undo what has happen, words comes so easy. I just got this blabla feeling when reading this tread
Have a good Sunday. jaus
Have a good Sunday. jaus
netop
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Have a good Sunday Diana
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John Burns
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Bill Brosen
Leading Member
Perhaps it's because he is President of the United States? Maybe just maybe it's why he says God Bless The U S A? We Americans are mostly Patriotic, we value Freedom, Adventureism, and Our pioneering spirit, which is how our country was founded.....
http://www.pbase.com/wbrosen/photoart
http://www.pbase.com/wbrosen/photoart
netop
Forum Enthusiast
yes I se you are to serious to tall about your self. Sorry that you got the filling that it was about you
netop
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Sounds like a good reason for the president to bless the rest of the world 2.. jaus
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David Martin
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Jaus, you've made your feelings clear. Some of us have tried to respond to the concerns you have raised thoughtfully.
Perhaps you should be aware that the way you responded has caused some considerable upset to a lot of people.
Those of us who wish to register feelings of concern for the loss would love to be able to just do it in a dignified manner, and it is perhaps not appropriate to engage in a political dogfight.
I understand that you feel that attacks on you have continued, but that is perhaps inevitable when you have raised the issue in a way which is very hurtful to others.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to do as you earlier said and discontinue your imput.
It's not the right time and it's not the right place to continue to pass the kind of judgements which you are doing.
Thanks,
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DaveMart
When Art Bell talk radio used to be good the best of all guests (IMO) described there were over 200 critical parts which if any one failed mean't a loss of both ship and crew.
One thing stronger today than ever is when military missions have a secret agenda to not benefit humankind, Spirit heads it off at the pass. Indeed the highest risk.
Remember the largest drive of our Science is based on investments in Death both for the environment and people. It used to be one could come home from work to enjoy the world, living a separated life, ignorant of worldly destructive business decisions. That lifestyle separation is long gone. Working for a lifeless profit magin gragh without benefit to the world and it's people is a treadmill disaster for All of Us.
Also when technology is so advanced and secret we can't use it for the benefits, we've lost our guidance system.
Blessings and Guidance to the lost Souls both here and gone.
eL
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Don Northup
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Don Northup
Leading Member
Hey jaus,
How long do you plan on carrying this on now. You have made your point to everyone on the web. You think they aint gettin your drift. Just what exactly do you think they are reading. You don't have to keep restating your case. We get it. We don't agree, but we get it. I'm sure some of this sentiment is BS here. Others are genuine, we hear you. For the good things here, can you let it lay.
Thanks
Don
How long do you plan on carrying this on now. You have made your point to everyone on the web. You think they aint gettin your drift. Just what exactly do you think they are reading. You don't have to keep restating your case. We get it. We don't agree, but we get it. I'm sure some of this sentiment is BS here. Others are genuine, we hear you. For the good things here, can you let it lay.
Thanks
Don
JoePhoto
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You will be missed ... and never forgotten !
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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto
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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto
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Peter Phan
Senior Member
The day Denmark sends up its own shuttle on a mission of research for the benefit of all future humanity, paid for with billions of its own dollars and the sacrifice of its own heroic lives, I don't think any American would begrudge your leaders for saying, "May God bless Denmark."
Americans give and give and give, in blood, sweat, and money, and you have the gaul to criticize our President for saying words of condolence in recognition of the price our country pays for exploration and science, on this day of national (and international) tragedy? Are you really that petty and mean-spirited? Your words of rebuke are terribly saddening.
Americans give and give and give, in blood, sweat, and money, and you have the gaul to criticize our President for saying words of condolence in recognition of the price our country pays for exploration and science, on this day of national (and international) tragedy? Are you really that petty and mean-spirited? Your words of rebuke are terribly saddening.
netop
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Peter Phan
Senior Member
The Columbia crew was comprised of men and women of various racial, religious, and social backgrounds (3 white male Americans, 1 black male American, 1 white female American, 1 female Indian, 1 male Israeli). What a wonderful cross-section of humanity, coming together, risking their lives, and unfortunately losing their heroic lives, for the sake and benefit of humanity. You certainly won't find that in the Iraqi, or Al Queda, or the Taliban regimes. I get the feeling these Islamic extremist wouldn't be very open to putting together such a diverse crew of astronauts even if they did have their own national space program. Heck, they won't even let drive cars. And they wan't to destroy the U.S.? God bless America.
netop
Forum Enthusiast
It?s just to bad, that one can not use words instead of worms when going out fishing, I dont like fishing anyway.
Some may think i am a careless cold person, but you know what i" dont care, and when I do care, I do it in the right place..jaus
You are right its time to stop this mess
Some may think i am a careless cold person, but you know what i" dont care, and when I do care, I do it in the right place..jaus
You are right its time to stop this mess
Willie G.
Senior Member
I would guess that you've been aware of it for as long as the rest of us, after the Challenger explosion and after Feynman said it in public, much to the chagrin of NASA oficials. The official number really was 100,000 to one.
That's the number Christa McAuliffe believed, for example.
In the other reply, I was told that I'm just repeating political propaganda. I say, well, of course I am, but so is everyone else. We choose the propaganda we wish to believe.
I love space exploration and my sentiments today lie firmly with the families of the astronauts, who I certainly consider heroes along with everyone else here.
Best,
effzee
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David Martin
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I wasn't trying to denigrate you in my response. I am at a disadvantage as I don't know who Christa MacAuliffe is. I assume she is one of the astronaughts, my apologies but we haven't had such extensive covourage as there would have been in the States here in the UK.
If she is indeed one of the astronauts and quoted that risk figure she can hardly be said to be a victim of propoganda.
I agree with you that NASA did everything it could at the time of the Challenger disaster to indicate that the risks were lower than was the case.
However every one of the astronauts had the expertise to evaluate the risks for themselves. She may have persuaded herself that the risk was lower than it really was.
We can all be guilty of wishful thinking.
I suppose that the reason I am a little defensive is that I am confident that most of the astronauts are very well aware that they are engaged in a very risky business indeed, and go in to take those risks with their eyes well open.
However unintentionally that impression may have been given I am not comfortable with any position which sees these people as in some sense dupes rather than people of quite extraordinary courage.
Once again, I never supposed that that was your intention and nothing I am saying should be taken as in any way a personal reflection on yourself.
I suppose I am also somewhat defensive as at least here in the UK we have so much of the media which is entirely anti the space program or believe that the moon landings were faked or some such nonsense that those of us who feel that it the great adventure of our times have a continual fight against this sea of negativity.
I agree with you that I have sometimes felt that NASA has for the last 30 years sometimes seemed like an organisation devoted to making sure that space travel stays as expensive and risky as possible.
Far more of the budget should have been devoted to improving launch vehicles rather than going for the ISS IMHO. On the other hand, the ones who are paying are the Americans, and all that we can do here is cheer from the sidelines.
Best regards.
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DaveMart
john farrar
Veteran Member
Xenophobia only harms everyone, yet you have to protect yourself from those who would seek to kill you; but Islam is not the problem any more than Christianity which has also been used as an excuse by madmen to commit acts of genocide.
I think we should remember that Islam, when correctly followed, led to a massive increase in Humankind's understanding of science and mathematics without which there would probably be no space program of any kind today. Remember too that fanatical terrorists in this (and any) religion tempt God's anger by daring to assume they have His backing for their malevolent ideas. So no assured fast track to Heaven for these poor brainwashed souls.
Yes, God bless America... and help make the world a better place.
John.
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