space shuttle re-entry

Dont get anyone too excited about making a boatload of money off a tragic event. There are many, many photos of this as well as unseen NASA film. I think it will be like trying to sell a picture of the WTC burning.

Now if he had a super zoom of the moments before it broke apart, then I'd think he'd have something otherwise its just a facinating shot of a horific event.
Jason,

Don't get in too big of a hurry to give that photo to AP.

I don't want to sound crude, but your making a sale to Time,
Newsweek, CNN, someone will not interfere with the investigation.

You were there with your equipment and got that once-in-a-life
picture. I sincerely hope you become a rich man from it being sold
to news outlets.

And pray for the souls of the astronauts. God take care of them.
 
That radar is out of Shreveport. Note that right around Shreveport (in a circle) is a lot of noise. That's ground clutter.

What you see to the south is simply the reflection of all the shuttle debris.
Need Java enabled:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
This is a doppler radar loop of a thunderstorm cell. It shows wind velocities not heat. Where are you seeing heat exactly?
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
I pretty much missed it, it caught me by suprise.. then an ERR 2.
I did get a few frames off though. It was a minute early, and now
they say they can't find it. I'm a bit worried about it!

Here's a shot, no crop from Dallas.

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Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. ;-)
 
They're a bit out of focus though.
Now if he had a super zoom of the moments before it broke apart,
then I'd think he'd have something otherwise its just a facinating
shot of a horific event.
Jason,

Don't get in too big of a hurry to give that photo to AP.

I don't want to sound crude, but your making a sale to Time,
Newsweek, CNN, someone will not interfere with the investigation.

You were there with your equipment and got that once-in-a-life
picture. I sincerely hope you become a rich man from it being sold
to news outlets.

And pray for the souls of the astronauts. God take care of them.
 
What you see to the south is simply the reflection of all the
shuttle debris.
Need Java enabled:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
I pretty much missed it, it caught me by suprise.. then an ERR 2.
I did get a few frames off though. It was a minute early, and now
they say they can't find it. I'm a bit worried about it!

Here's a shot, no crop from Dallas.

--
Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level,
and beat you with experience. ;-)
 
What you see to the south is simply the reflection of all the
shuttle debris.
Need Java enabled:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Jason:

You captured a tragedy in the making. I'm stunned and speechless.

John

P.S. - I ask the members of this board to show respect and refrain from side discussions.
I pretty much missed it, it caught me by suprise.. then an ERR 2.
I did get a few frames off though. It was a minute early, and now
they say they can't find it. I'm a bit worried about it!

Here's a shot, no crop from Dallas.

 
Interesting that the loop starts 2 hours and 15 minutes after the Shuttle re-entered and continues for 1.5 hours after that.
What you see to the south is simply the reflection of all the
shuttle debris.
Need Java enabled:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
If it's a bunch of small stuff that generates a lot of drag through the air (think of feeathers), it'd take a long time for it all to fall to the ground.
Interesting that the loop starts 2 hours and 15 minutes after the
Shuttle re-entered and continues for 1.5 hours after that.
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
the prevailing winds. The jet stream is in the northern US today. No where near Louisiana. http://www.weather.com has a jet stream map.

I can see that this could be debris causing a radar return. My point was that it could not be a "heat streak" as the inital post refered too.

Still very eeirie (sp?)

OT: I wish you luck Jason. I am sure your life has drastically changed from today on.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kshv.shtml

Interpretation of this still under debate on another
(non-technical) forum I follow. Looks like heat streak from
debris/breakup. I just don't get the large heat splotch above it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
I pretty much missed it, it caught me by suprise.. then an ERR 2.
I did get a few frames off though. It was a minute early, and now
they say they can't find it. I'm a bit worried about it!

Here's a shot, no crop from Dallas.

--
Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level,
and beat you with experience. ;-)
--

Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. ;-)
 
there have been seven people ... as if the nationality would matter
...
I think the point is that it wasn't just Americans on board. It was also Israel's first astronaut. Their first "space hero" so there is some special significance to it. Just like the special attention paid to the school teacher that was on the first shuttle that blew up.
 
No, it's not heat. It's just reflections from all the debris that's floating around.
the prevailing winds. The jet stream is in the northern US today.
No where near Louisiana. http://www.weather.com has a jet stream map.

I can see that this could be debris causing a radar return. My
point was that it could not be a "heat streak" as the inital post
refered too.

Still very eeirie (sp?)

OT: I wish you luck Jason. I am sure your life has drastically
changed from today on.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Here is a good article describing possible causes.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,418462,00.html

This is going to be very ugly for NASA. Remember, when the Challenger disaster occurred the shuttle did not fly for around 2 years. All of the missions for the next year as ISS missions. And, the next mission in march is a crew relief mission. The guys up in the ISS just lost thier ride home. They will most likely have to come back via te Soyuz escape module.
You are correct about the fact that the shuttle needs to enter at
precise angles and speeds.

But, the shuttle doesn't "fly" during re-entry. The air is way to
thin to produce aerodynamic lift at those altitudes. That's why
planes can't fly that high.

Also, NASA has NOT been saying that there was STRUCTURAL damage to
the shuttle's wing. Only that they saw something on the launch
video that appears to have the POTENTIAL to damage some of the heat
tiles on the leading edge of the wing. It's a big stretch to get
from a damaged heat tile to a catistrophic failure of the wing spar
structure.

I think we should let the NASA pocket protector guys decide what
caused this. And, we should stick to taking pics.
as to why NASA will try to bury the wing damage, is most likely
because of the thorough investigation to why they didn't resolve
the issue while in orbit.
those tiles are there for a reason.
only tiles that have been known to come off without tremendous
affect were in the nose section.
the nose is part of the craft, but has no effect of the aerodyamics
such as those as the airflow over the wing. the wing has a given
airfoil design that should never be compromised. at glider
(lightweight craft) speeds, you could punch a fist sized hole in
the wing and still fly fairly safely.
but at the speed that the shuttle flys, missing tiles could surely
cause a disruption that would induce flutter. flutter (known as
surface vibration) will cause nothing but total destruction.
a lot of what i know about the shuttle and the shuttle program has
to do with knowing Bill Hunter (owner of Satellite city products)
and their involvment in adhesive for securing those tiles.
when dealing with airframe structure (left wing in this case) any,
and i mean any strutural damage (no matter how small) cannot be
considered minor or disregarded as cause.
But could it also account for what looks like atleast two major
fragments in addition to the main body? It looks like the shuttle
disintegrated there and then, and if, say, part of the wing tore
loose, shouldn't the rest of the shuttle have survived a bit longer?
whatever the case, the damage should have been repaired while up in
orbit.
Well, maybe they inspected it? The news reports seem to indicate
that NASA were aware of the wing being struck by the piece of
insulation, so they must have had some idea of the extent of the
damage?

I hope this accident helps accelerate the development of the
shuttle's replacement. Atleast then some good will come of this
tragedy.
naturally NASA will try to rule this out as the cause.
do i need to say why?
I wouldn't mind a clarification.

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Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level,
and beat you with experience. ;-)
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Never argue with an idiot. they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. ;-)
 
If you go to the insert menu then picture and scroll to find your image, you can embed them in the text (using Outlook express at least).
Then they don't come up as an attachment.

It's an interesting way to do it as you can write text around them and the messages do seem to come out a tad smaller too.

I don't know if this is what they mean but it might be useful information anyway.

Congratulations on the great image of this very sad event. It was absolutely clear from your image what had happened-unfortunately.
regards
Ian
So, I sent some images to my local NBC affiliate. By the way, the
local TV stations here have some pretty detailed images.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
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If they'd fly one more mission to get the astronauts on the space station back down, then grounded shuttles for the rest of eternity, maybe I could pay a lot less on my taxes.

Oh, and they might have to quit paying off the sugar producers, and a whole bunch of other pork, too.
Here is a good article describing possible causes.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,418462,00.html

This is going to be very ugly for NASA. Remember, when the
Challenger disaster occurred the shuttle did not fly for around 2
years. All of the missions for the next year as ISS missions. And,
the next mission in march is a crew relief mission. The guys up in
the ISS just lost thier ride home. They will most likely have to
come back via te Soyuz escape module.
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 

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