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IR: Panasonic Interview
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SHood
Veteran Member
Looks like there is a good chance we will get focus peaking with a future firmware update.
"At this moment we don't have focus peaking, but 80% or 90% of users are asking for it. If we can successfully negotiate with the engineers, it will be possible. Maybe with a firmware upgrade, we could add this . We understand from the technical division in Japan that the peaking function just depends on software improvements.
Contrast AF finds the peak contrast, so we can use the same process to show focus peaking during manual focus; it wouldn't be too difficult. The reason we couldn't include it in the GH3 was just a matter of available engineering resources. Of course, we have to make priorities, and this is one of our top priorities ."
"At this moment we don't have focus peaking, but 80% or 90% of users are asking for it. If we can successfully negotiate with the engineers, it will be possible. Maybe with a firmware upgrade, we could add this . We understand from the technical division in Japan that the peaking function just depends on software improvements.
Contrast AF finds the peak contrast, so we can use the same process to show focus peaking during manual focus; it wouldn't be too difficult. The reason we couldn't include it in the GH3 was just a matter of available engineering resources. Of course, we have to make priorities, and this is one of our top priorities ."
Adventsam
Senior Member
Not even asked.
greerd
Leading Member
Looks like it will be a Panasonic sensor. I think this is a good thing for the system as a whole and I hope its competitive.
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SHood
Veteran Member
It was asked but the answer suggesst they needed to use the same size Sony sensor from the E-M5. I just don't think Sony would have been interested in making a lower volume sensor.
"Our main priority was image quality, both for stills and movies. For our former models, the GH1 and GH2, we developed a special sensor that was a little bigger than Four Thirds. However, because we wanted to make so many improvements with the GH3, we didn't have a larger sensor available. The Four Thirds-size sensor was what was available from our sensor group."
"Our main priority was image quality, both for stills and movies. For our former models, the GH1 and GH2, we developed a special sensor that was a little bigger than Four Thirds. However, because we wanted to make so many improvements with the GH3, we didn't have a larger sensor available. The Four Thirds-size sensor was what was available from our sensor group."
SHood
Veteran Member
greerd
Leading Member
Its the "our sensor group" that makes me think it's a Panasonic, but time will tell.
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Doug Greer
mpgxsvcd
Veteran Member
It isn't the top question anymore and it was asked. Panasonic basically said our "new" sensor development team(Known as Panasonyc) just didn't have an oversized sensor.
GH2, GF1, & ZS3 Sample movies
http://www.youtube.com/user/mpgxsvcd#play/uploads
GH2 Setup Walk through
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROQbbiiO2I
http://vimeo.com/user442745
GH2 Pictures
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4222674355/albums
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GH2, GF1, & ZS3 Sample movies
http://www.youtube.com/user/mpgxsvcd#play/uploads
GH2 Setup Walk through
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROQbbiiO2I
http://vimeo.com/user442745
GH2 Pictures
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4222674355/albums
Alien from Mars
Leading Member
It seems there's a difference:
"Theoretically, the saturation number should be 45,000 electrons or so, but I don't know the actual number."
OMD got 25000
It's probably not exactly the same sensor
"Theoretically, the saturation number should be 45,000 electrons or so, but I don't know the actual number."
OMD got 25000
It's probably not exactly the same sensor
exdeejjjaaaa
Veteran Member
does the wording "The Four Thirds-size sensor was what was available from our sensor group." sound to you that "our sensor group" = Sony Semiconductor
and then next answer
"Panasonic: We don't publish a specification for dynamic range, but yes, we increased the saturation electron number and also improved the signal-to-noise ratio. "
does it sound to you like it was not Panasonic itself - " we increased the saturation electron number and also improved the signal-to-noise ratio."... does it sound like the words you use when referring to a sensor designed by a 3rd party and just purchased ?
Alien from Mars
Leading Member
Could it be designed by Pana, manufactured by Sony?
45,000 electrons fill capacity is the theoretical figure for the GH3 sensor. However, as Pana said: "The actual is always lower than the theoretical" - In other words, the actual fill capacity figure could well be identical to the EM-5.
Alien from Mars
Leading Member
I really doubt that.
I can expect several percent lower value, but not nearly 50% loss. That would be a real shame for them as engineers. And I'm sure the guy knows the real numbers, only not disclosing them. And if the reality would be so much worse than theoretical well capacity he would not even mention that "around 45000" number so Panasonic will not be ashamed later after independent measurements.
That's only my suggestions, YMMV.
I can expect several percent lower value, but not nearly 50% loss. That would be a real shame for them as engineers. And I'm sure the guy knows the real numbers, only not disclosing them. And if the reality would be so much worse than theoretical well capacity he would not even mention that "around 45000" number so Panasonic will not be ashamed later after independent measurements.
That's only my suggestions, YMMV.
dmanthree
Forum Pro
The didn't have a multi-aspect sensor available? Huh? One of the killer features of the GH2 and they somehow didn't plan on including it in the GH3? They didn't let the "sensor group" know that they wanted that size sensor? After years of development? I'm simply shocked that the planning process for this product didn't include a requirement for a larger sensor for multi-aspect.
The upshot is, for me, that without that feature I'll probably get the Oly OM-D. I"ll wait for the tests, but unless the GH3 has some killer feature for still shooters, like continous AF that actually works, there's no need for me to carry that huge body.
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The upshot is, for me, that without that feature I'll probably get the Oly OM-D. I"ll wait for the tests, but unless the GH3 has some killer feature for still shooters, like continous AF that actually works, there's no need for me to carry that huge body.
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No Signature.
Man, people really need to learn not to take everything said by a corporate spokesman (or anyone else, for that matter) so literally. Panasonic isn't admitting or telling us anything about who make the sensor. Just like Olympus before their executive slipped, Panasonic is choosing its words very carefully.
We may eventually know if it's identical to the Sony or not. The basic resolution specs are within a rounding difference of Oly's specs for the EPL5 and EM2.. Which, of course, proves nothing at all.
What matters is how well it works, and we'll know that fairly soon.
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I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
We may eventually know if it's identical to the Sony or not. The basic resolution specs are within a rounding difference of Oly's specs for the EPL5 and EM2.. Which, of course, proves nothing at all.
What matters is how well it works, and we'll know that fairly soon.
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I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
Thats the one thing I'm really hoping for m4/3. I know a lot of people that can't be bothered with, but those are generally the ones that don't set the colours and contrast up to suit what they take. It really is a fantastic feature that allows MF legacy lenses to work very fast and pretty darn accurately. I think Oly said it didn't work, well thats a lesson they need to learn IMO.
All the best and fingers crossed for it. If it happens, I may be back to m4/3 along side the NEX.
Danny.
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Birds and macro. NEX and m4/3
http://www.birdsinaction.com
Worry about the image that comes out of the box, rather than the box itself.
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