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Is RX100 made in Japan?
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Airbrush2000
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Purchased from Sony Style US. Made in China 
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ronctx
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FYI, there are still some RX100 cameras Made In Japan in some stores, if that matters to anyone. Received one Tuesday (Sept. 25th) from B&H that is Made In Japan.
ericN2
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Got mine just yesterday - bought via an online Dealer in UK...Made in Japan.
Although oddly .. the main block of the USB-out charger, says on it "Made in China" !!
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eric
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Although oddly .. the main block of the USB-out charger, says on it "Made in China" !!
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eric
Staffordshire, UK
dv312
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bought a few weeks ago from local camera store in San Francisco
Cheers ;-)
Cheers ;-)
Stephen Kovac Jr
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Pre order mine RX100 from Amazon.com and it arrived a few days later. It is made in Japan.
I just got my RX100 from Walmart yesterday. Oddly enough, it was made in Japan!
harry cannoli
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Hmmm..
The disposal thingie under my kitchen sink feeds itself by eating my tea spoons. I went to walmart to pick up some tea spoons. I just looked at one. On the handle was stamped "Stainless MADE IN CHINA" Oy Vey..
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The disposal thingie under my kitchen sink feeds itself by eating my tea spoons. I went to walmart to pick up some tea spoons. I just looked at one. On the handle was stamped "Stainless MADE IN CHINA" Oy Vey..
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My colleague bought a MIC version from Best Buy (USA) last week. His front control ring is smoother and more buttery (whatever that means) than my MIJ version, also from Best Buy. This coincides with what a few other posters have mentioned, that their MIC version is an improvement over the MIJ unit(s) that it replaced. YMMV.
Got mine a few days ago from Amazon. Made in China. Fine with me. My Camry is made in Kentucky. Too much is being made of this IMO. Go take some great pictures and don't worry about the stuff on the bottom of the camera. MIC does not mean a substandard product, especially when it's from a major manufacturer. I have seen posts of people that reject their new camera before using because of the "Made in" issue.
Sillyness.
Sillyness.
harry cannoli
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Give credit to the engineers for designing the parts, laying out the PCB's, and implimenting a quality control system. The employees who actually turn out the PCB's do not require a high level of training.
The people who actually crank out these PCB's are always the lowest paid employees in this type of manufacturing facility. Shifts are insanely long, the manufacturing floor is very hot. Wages earned by these "technical" employees are as low as what the people who crank out Nike sneakers are paid.
The people who do the "grunt work" in the PCB manufacturing process within the Pacific Rim are as exploited as anyone else who is unfortunate enough to find themselves working a semi-skill job in manufacturing.
The engineers who design the product, layout the PCB and keep the equipment operating to tolerance, the technicians who repair faulty assemblies.. These are the people who have the highly skilled jobs that demand top dollar. The percentage of highly-skilled engineers, technicians and mechanics that keep a PCB manufacturing facility running smoothly comprise the smallest percentage of employees.
The overwhelming majority of employees work with tile or cement under their feet. The overwhelming minority of people work with carpet under their feet.
The moral of this story is that it remains very, very easy to exploit employees involved in the electronics manufaturing industry. These people are very easy to train. They have no idea what it is that they're buildiing or how the complex equipment they use actually works. They load machines with material and push buttons, computers monitor the process. These people are very easy to replace.
So yes, they do work with material that is highly technical, with tolerances measured in microns, but the jobs they do qualify them as assembly line workers as far as the bottom line is concerned. People who do these jobs can be, and frequently are, easily exploited in China (or the USA, for that matter) , despite the level of technology or quality control criteria the product represents.
At the very least, one should have a basic understanding of how the Contract Manufacturing industry works before making sweeping comments about hypocrisy.
Do I sound ignorant?
Rich
http://www.iceninephotography.com
- Components are loaded into pick and place machines
- Circuit boards are loaded into screen printer
- Solder paste is loaded into screen printer
- Screen is loaded into screen printer
- Screen is aligned in screen printer
- Screen printer distributes solder paste in appropriate places on bare PCB
- PCB moves along to pick and place machine
- Pick and place machine places components on PCB
- PCB moves along to reflow oven
- Solder paste is melted in reflow oven, soldering components to PCB
- Manually placed compoments are placed on PCB at this time
- PCB takes a ride on a solder wave
- PCB goes though a process called AOI (Automated Optical Inspection)
- PCB's that make it through AOI are sent to Test.
- PCB's are powered up and tested. PCB's of the type you mention are usually tested on a "Bed of Nails", a test fixture that uses a computer to test functionality.
- Tested PCB's go to QC where they're inspected for visual flaws and/or PCB damage.
The people who actually crank out these PCB's are always the lowest paid employees in this type of manufacturing facility. Shifts are insanely long, the manufacturing floor is very hot. Wages earned by these "technical" employees are as low as what the people who crank out Nike sneakers are paid.
The people who do the "grunt work" in the PCB manufacturing process within the Pacific Rim are as exploited as anyone else who is unfortunate enough to find themselves working a semi-skill job in manufacturing.
The engineers who design the product, layout the PCB and keep the equipment operating to tolerance, the technicians who repair faulty assemblies.. These are the people who have the highly skilled jobs that demand top dollar. The percentage of highly-skilled engineers, technicians and mechanics that keep a PCB manufacturing facility running smoothly comprise the smallest percentage of employees.
The overwhelming majority of employees work with tile or cement under their feet. The overwhelming minority of people work with carpet under their feet.
The moral of this story is that it remains very, very easy to exploit employees involved in the electronics manufaturing industry. These people are very easy to train. They have no idea what it is that they're buildiing or how the complex equipment they use actually works. They load machines with material and push buttons, computers monitor the process. These people are very easy to replace.
So yes, they do work with material that is highly technical, with tolerances measured in microns, but the jobs they do qualify them as assembly line workers as far as the bottom line is concerned. People who do these jobs can be, and frequently are, easily exploited in China (or the USA, for that matter) , despite the level of technology or quality control criteria the product represents.
At the very least, one should have a basic understanding of how the Contract Manufacturing industry works before making sweeping comments about hypocrisy.
Do I sound ignorant?
Rich
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After all, where else in the world can you find convincing 'fake eggs' ???
http://www.chengduliving.com/fake-eggs-are-no-joke/
If they can pull that off (and are willing to go to the trouble to do so), I'm sure they can do a reasonable job of assembling a camera
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http://www.chengduliving.com/fake-eggs-are-no-joke/
If they can pull that off (and are willing to go to the trouble to do so), I'm sure they can do a reasonable job of assembling a camera
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NEX-7, Sony a900; SEL18-200mm, CZ135mm, CZ24-70mm, SAL70-300mmG, 50mm F1.4, 100mm F2.8 macro, KM17-35mm, CZ16-80mm, KM11-18mm, SAL18-250mm
There is a good deal more in a camera than a bunch of PCBs. I also doubt that all the assembly and adjustment of multiple parts is done by machines.
Give credit to the engineers for designing the parts, laying out the PCB's, and implimenting a quality control system. The employees who actually turn out the PCB's do not require a high level of training.
Although there are a bunch of steps involved, none of the steps described above require highly skilled employeed to perform. Trained empoyees are necessary, highly skilled employees are not.
- Components are loaded into pick and place machines
- Circuit boards are loaded into screen printer
- Solder paste is loaded into screen printer
- Screen is loaded into screen printer
- Screen is aligned in screen printer
- Screen printer distributes solder paste in appropriate places on bare PCB
- PCB moves along to pick and place machine
- Pick and place machine places components on PCB
- PCB moves along to reflow oven
- Solder paste is melted in reflow oven, soldering components to PCB
- Manually placed compoments are placed on PCB at this time
- PCB takes a ride on a solder wave
- PCB goes though a process called AOI (Automated Optical Inspection)
- PCB's that make it through AOI are sent to Test.
- PCB's are powered up and tested. PCB's of the type you mention are usually tested on a "Bed of Nails", a test fixture that uses a computer to test functionality.
- Tested PCB's go to QC where they're inspected for visual flaws and/or PCB damage.
The people who actually crank out these PCB's are always the lowest paid employees in this type of manufacturing facility. Shifts are insanely long, the manufacturing floor is very hot. Wages earned by these "technical" employees are as low as what the people who crank out Nike sneakers are paid.
The people who do the "grunt work" in the PCB manufacturing process within the Pacific Rim are as exploited as anyone else who is unfortunate enough to find themselves working a semi-skill job in manufacturing.
The engineers who design the product, layout the PCB and keep the equipment operating to tolerance, the technicians who repair faulty assemblies.. These are the people who have the highly skilled jobs that demand top dollar. The percentage of highly-skilled engineers, technicians and mechanics that keep a PCB manufacturing facility running smoothly comprise the smallest percentage of employees.
The overwhelming majority of employees work with tile or cement under their feet. The overwhelming minority of people work with carpet under their feet.
The moral of this story is that it remains very, very easy to exploit employees involved in the electronics manufaturing industry. These people are very easy to train. They have no idea what it is that they're buildiing or how the complex equipment they use actually works. They load machines with material and push buttons, computers monitor the process. These people are very easy to replace.
So yes, they do work with material that is highly technical, with tolerances measured in microns, but the jobs they do qualify them as assembly line workers as far as the bottom line is concerned. People who do these jobs can be, and frequently are, easily exploited in China (or the USA, for that matter) , despite the level of technology or quality control criteria the product represents.
At the very least, one should have a basic understanding of how the Contract Manufacturing industry works before making sweeping comments about hypocrisy.
Do I sound ignorant?
Rich
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http://www.iceninephotography.com
robmcelroy
Member
I just purchased an RX100 from Best Buy, and it is made in China. First four digits of the serial number are 6502.
harry cannoli
Veteran Member
Huh?
I was responding about the Apple post. iPads, iPhones and MacBooks have just about every single part soldered to a PCB. I wasn't replying to a post about the manufacture of cameras. I was engaged in a discussion regarding the exploitation of people employed in the electronics industry.
Of course there are people who work assembling pieces-parts, just as you suggest. Those same people are the most exploited people in the electronics manufacturing industry, by far. The only people in the business who make less than assemblers may be the custodial staff.
30 years ago when I was hired by Fluke I took a walk through the facility and I saw people assembling stuff so I already know the things you told me. Thanks anyway, it was a nice thought.
Cheers
Rich
http://www.iceninephotography.com
theGryphondog
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We just received our 2 RX100's and they are both "Made in China" acquired directly from Sony.
I'm pretty certain there is no way to specify and because we purchased partly using Sony rewards points with the Sony Capital One card, there isn't much that can be done. The cameras were out of stock for about 1.5 weeks I think and as soon as they came back in stock I jumped at ordering them.
I haven't powered them up, but expect to tomorrow: here's hoping all is good.
Our iPhone 5's are Made in China along with just about everything else in our home these days. I can't image it matters too much these days. I would prefer Made in Japan, but then again I would prefer not to have any problems such as lens decentering. If I get a spot on unit from China, good for them!
Just my experience.....
I'm pretty certain there is no way to specify and because we purchased partly using Sony rewards points with the Sony Capital One card, there isn't much that can be done. The cameras were out of stock for about 1.5 weeks I think and as soon as they came back in stock I jumped at ordering them.
I haven't powered them up, but expect to tomorrow: here's hoping all is good.
Our iPhone 5's are Made in China along with just about everything else in our home these days. I can't image it matters too much these days. I would prefer Made in Japan, but then again I would prefer not to have any problems such as lens decentering. If I get a spot on unit from China, good for them!
Just my experience.....
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