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  • in a large shopping mall & spot a Blacks Camera shop. I go in & start looking around & a sales person come up & asks if I need any help. I said I don't see any micro four thirds cameras & his response was that he never heard of them. I eventually found a GF2 in a display case, called him over to see it & he said "Oh, I only know them as mirror-less cameras".
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Being in the US I've never heard of this store so I looked them up on the web. They look like the equivalent to what Ritz camera was so its no surprise they don't know the difference between a F-stop and a bus stop. You should ask them if they have a lens that can do 1:1 reproduction and see what happens.
 
Welcome! Enjoyed visits to The Soo, and Basswood Lake in the 70's

Isn't Blacks owned by Telus now? Wonder if they can sell phones well. Film days I tried their photo finishing. Once. Saw no reason to return. They do take passport photos though... :-)

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DaveL
Toronto
 
Every so often they run a deal on a camera, so I use them as a price match with Henry's.

Jeff.
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Jeff.
 
I've had similar experience with Black's in Peterborough. Only marginally better in Futureshop.
 
You think that's bad? I was at Henry's flagship store in Toronto, checking out a G12. How do I change the contrast? The salesman didn't know what contrast is. Like contrast on a TV, I explained - Every good camera has it. He gave up after a few minutes of trying. I tried for a few minutes, but he snatched it from me, mumbling that it must be a DSLR thing.

I wouldn't buy anything from Henry's, If I can help it.
 
You think that's bad? I was at Henry's flagship store in Toronto, checking out a G12. How do I change the contrast? The salesman didn't know what contrast is. Like contrast on a TV, I explained - Every good camera has it. He gave up after a few minutes of trying. I tried for a few minutes, but he snatched it from me, mumbling that it must be a DSLR thing.

I wouldn't buy anything from Henry's, If I can help it.
Contrast?! What in the world are you talking about? I only change the contrast in Aperture, after the photo is long gone from the camera.

...must be a DSLr thing...

Drusus
 
I know the store - it is not a big one - and I tried once or twice to educate the sales staff on duty about 43rds. On both occasions they were young people, likely students working part time. Black's in general only carries a very limited stock in its stores in smaller cities.

Black's flagship store in Toronto does carry Panasonic and Olympus 43rds products, usually at the higher than necessary (given the exchange rate between Canadian and American currency) prices. That is a policy of Panasonic in Canada that Black's, Vistek, and Henry's seem to adhere to - and it is rare to find a product discounted more than 15% or so from Canadian list. American street prices do not apply.

The staff at my local Henry's store has been very helpful and reasonably knowledgeable about 43rds in spite of relatively high prices, and I try to do as much business there as possible to support it.

Canadians have to make a choice whether to support local retail stores or to save up to 40% or so by purchasing from American internet suppliers over the internet such as B&H, Amazon, Samy's etc. On the other hand shipping and taxes can partly eat up savings, and local retailers sometimes provide local service, A tough decision for those on a budget.
 
You think that's bad? I was at Henry's flagship store in Toronto, checking out a G12. How do I change the contrast? The salesman didn't know what contrast is. Like contrast on a TV, I explained - Every good camera has it. He gave up after a few minutes of trying. I tried for a few minutes, but he snatched it from me, mumbling that it must be a DSLR thing.

I wouldn't buy anything from Henry's, If I can help it.
Contrast?! What in the world are you talking about? I only change the contrast in Aperture, after the photo is long gone from the camera.

...must be a DSLr thing...

Drusus
The Olympus SCP has it in your face



C stands for contrast.

The G12 may not have this option available. Not in the manual.
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Jeff.
 
A Black's store in Toronto sold me a Panasonic open-box supposedly-new camera. It ate batteries and no one would fix it. Then I phoned Panasonic USA and they said that from it's serial number it was a used camera sold in the States and had no warranty. Black's was bringing used cameras into Canada and selling them as new. It's still broken 2 years later.
 
I have yet to go into a Futureshop that had anyone know much of anything about m43. Actually most didn't know a thing about m43 except that they had small sensors so were crap, so get a Canon (then Nikon)...Not that they know much about the Canon's or Nikon's either...
I've had similar experience with Black's in Peterborough. Only marginally better in Futureshop.
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My non-digital gear: Agfa Isolette, Fed 2, Konica Auto S2, K1000, Yashica Electro 35 GX, Recesky, Olympus 35 RD



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I think you just talked to the wrong salesperson.

There are a number of people who work at Henrys that are very knowledgeable, including for m43 items. Albeit, I don't go to the downtown Toronto location much but the one at Steeles and a bit west of Yonge, there are at least two who really knew their stuff about m43. Course then there are others who really shouldn't be talking about m43 at Henrys or photography for that matter...
You think that's bad? I was at Henry's flagship store in Toronto, checking out a G12. How do I change the contrast? The salesman didn't know what contrast is. Like contrast on a TV, I explained - Every good camera has it. He gave up after a few minutes of trying. I tried for a few minutes, but he snatched it from me, mumbling that it must be a DSLR thing.

I wouldn't buy anything from Henry's, If I can help it.
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Hubert

My non-digital gear: Agfa Isolette, Fed 2, Konica Auto S2, K1000, Yashica Electro 35 GX, Recesky, Olympus 35 RD



http://www.flickr.com/photos/peppermonkey/
 
That is a policy of Panasonic in Canada that Black's, Vistek, and Henry's seem to adhere to - and it is rare to find a product discounted more than 15% or so from Canadian list. American street prices do not apply.
Hmm...generally find Henrys and Vistek more expensive on all brands, not just Oly and Panny. Within Canada I generally only buy from Aden or Downtown camera. Aden at least for me always have top notch service and seems to also have the best prices. Downtown Camera I find have a slightly lower price than Vistek and Henrys but their service have been top notch. Otherwise, I shop at B&H...
The staff at my local Henry's store has been very helpful and reasonably knowledgeable about 43rds in spite of relatively high prices, and I try to do as much business there as possible to support it.
Yup, my local store have really helpful sales people. Too bad Henrys prices are never that great.

Hubert

My non-digital gear: Agfa Isolette, Fed 2, Konica Auto S2, K1000, Yashica Electro 35 GX, Recesky, Olympus 35 RD



http://www.flickr.com/photos/peppermonkey/
 
  • in a large shopping mall & spot a Blacks Camera shop. I go in & start looking around & a sales person come up & asks if I need any help. I said I don't see any micro four thirds cameras & his response was that he never heard of them. I eventually found a GF2 in a display case, called him over to see it & he said "Oh, I only know them as mirror-less cameras".
What you describe is by no means unique to more isolated parts of Canada. Everywhere we see the same thing. If you want to get technical or functional information at a camera shop anywhere in the world you need to choose your store with care and even choose the person you ask with some care too.

Here in the UK we have a declining number of 'real' camera shops and a range of places like Jessops and Comet/PC World where you need to know what you want, pick up the box and pay for it without asking any questions.

Part of this is down to the changing way in which photographic customers obtain information. More and more people look first to the internet for information and then for purchase. It is almost impossible for small brick and mortar stores to compete with this on price.

Where I live in a semi-rural part of the UK we still have a small local camera shop, and I try to patronise it whenever possible. Over the years I have got to know the two people who run it and know that I can trust their judgment. If they do not know the answer to any question they will admit this and offer suggestions on how to find out ranging from RTFM (Read The Fine Manual), to join the local camera club, to ask in a dpreview forum, to wait until the Panasonic rep is in here next Wednesday.

This local shop provides a good service to its local customers, and some of these customers are very undemanding. I have been waiting my turn in the queue to hear things like:

"I need to buy a camera for my daughter that is small and pink."

Talking to the shop owner when I was in there this week I learned something else that was news to me. The main camera importers in the UK are putting the squeeze on the smaller retail businesses. My local shop has recently lost direct supply from Canon and Leica UK because his turnover is too low despite being part of a buying group of smaller local businesses. He can still supply customers with Canon and Leica cameras, but has to go through intermediates to do this. Fortunately Panasonic still supplies him direct.

It is all too easy to blame the owners and operators of these smaller shops for their demise. It is much harder to look at our own purchasing patterns and the behaviour of global camera manufacturers.
 
The market sure has changed.

Photo stores used to provide service. Some talk service. Don't provide it...

I use http://www.photoprice.ca to find the best price for what I want. Then I price match at whatever store has stock.

I buy too much gear; this works well for me and has saved me a lot!

When Future Shop and Best Buy are given the chance they price match, but also give a further reduction of 10% of the difference.

And I have found the real challenge is to find a knoweldgable person. I used to be a good mail order customer of Henry's. Never had a problem. I find it hard to hook up with the right person now...and my experiences have been less than ideal.

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DaveL
Toronto
 
Best place I have found in Canada is The Camera Store (Calgary). Not a chain, locally owned, very helpful and knowledgeable. Lots of stock, and good prices. All the employees that I have met love photography.

Unfortunately they don't carry Olympus gear (they used to, but had a falling out with Olympus Canada for some reason or another). They do carry Panasonic µ4/3 though.

I have spent far more than I should have there... but keep going back for more! ;-)

(And no, I have no interest in the store other than being a happy customer).

Cheers
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--Wyatt
http://photos.digitalcave.ca
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He probably has a background in the fast food industry. What's even more astonishing is when one of these minimum wagers says "This is the one I bought and I recommend it highly." LOL!

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Canon Powershot G12
Leica D-Lux 4
Olympus PEN E-PL1 with Kit zoom lens, Olympus M.Zuiko

17mm F2.8, Olympus M.Zuiko 40-150mm, Olympus 45mm F1.8, Canon FD 50mm F1.4, Olympus Zuiko 50mm F1.8, Pentax 135mm F2.5, Pentax 50mm F1.7, Panasonic 20mm F1.7.

Panasonic DMC-GH2 with the kit lens, Panasonic 45-200, Panasonic 14-140mm, and all of the lenses that I have for my Olympus PEN E-PL1.
Sony DSC-TX7
 
These kinds of getting realizations are plain silly. There are enthusiastic, gifted people in all kinds of work as well as lazy shirkers. The ones that get to stay are the ones that play the game, not meaning customer service. The first to get fired are suspected whistleblowers. The first to get printed are often the best and they go to their personal level of incompetence. Although the culture of excellence needs boosting in Canada, it,so unfair to bash these 2 companies out of hand when there are hundreds of others, good and bad, awaiting your attention. But seriously, get to know the informed sales rep that you like, and just use that person.
 
Correction, I typed, generalizations, but that's not what came out. These tablets take some time to get used to.
 
I've had similar great experiences with the Camera Store in Calgary...I'm always delighted to talk to sales people who know something
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Panasonic G3, 20, 14-42, 45-200, 20, 45-175
Canon 1D Mark 2 N ,Canon 7D, Canon 20 D, Canon G9, G10, G1X
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