Photokina Dissapointment- over after 2 hours :)

Anyone else feel the anticlimax? We knew virtually everything before the show even started and after the GH3 announcement there have been virtually no surprises..

I guess we need to be positive, so what has the highlight of your show been?

Personally for me it is the Sony Nex6 for $999.. As the best value/featured ILC

Outright it has to be the Sony RX1 as follow up to one of the greatest cameras ever made the original Sony R1.

Lets have it?!

There are no surprises. Damned those rumoursites that ruin a good Photokina web-experience!

I am mostly dissapointed by the lack of interesting lenses for MFT.

ishootfirst said:

Anyone else feel the anticlimax? We knew virtually everything before the show even started and after the GH3 announcement there have been virtually no surprises..

I guess we need to be positive, so what has the highlight of your show been?

Personally for me it is the Sony Nex6 for $999.. As the best value/featured ILC

Outright it has to be the Sony RX1 as follow up to one of the greatest cameras ever made the original Sony R1.

Lets have it?!

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yes make no mistake we are living in exciting camera times, and I think m4/3's is where it's at. In fact the 17mm 1.8 lens is utterly drool-worthy.. but we knew it all before the show didn't we.

I am also excited about the new pens... but I do feel that we could really be in for exciting times if Canon/Nikon/Ricoh/Samsung upped their games like Sony/Olympus have.

I thought that the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.2 lens was interesting though it won't be available until 2013/2014.

Be careful what you say - I started a thread saying that I was a little bored with the turn of events yesterday and copped some flak.

The problem with these events is that nothing is left secret anymore. Everything has been uncovered beforehand and so by the time it rolls around there are no suprises and nothing to be excited about.

ishootfirst said:

Anyone else feel the anticlimax? We knew virtually everything before the show even started and after the GH3 announcement there have been virtually no surprises..

I guess we need to be positive, so what has the highlight of your show been?

Personally for me it is the Sony Nex6 for $999.. As the best value/featured ILC

Outright it has to be the Sony RX1 as follow up to one of the greatest cameras ever made the original Sony R1.

Lets have it?!

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How did you find the control layout on the NEX-6 worked without a touch screen? Could you change settings quickly?

Do people actually pay any attention to this marketing charade.
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I'm the most impressed by a very aggressive showing by Sony. Excellent. From the innovative RX1 ( too pricey, but finally a FF mirrorless), to the highly anticipated A99, followed up by an excellent pair of NEX-6R and NEX-5n with Wifi, Apps, and most of all PDAF CDAF hybrid AF. This will address my concern with sony slower than panasonic AF speed. More importantly, the long waited NORMAL prime is finally here: Sony 35mm f/1.8 OSS, followed by a 16-50 pancake zoom, top it off with a 10-16 ultra-wide. I'm impressed.

Both Panasonic and Olympus did good. GH3 is awesome, its a big camera for those who prioritized performance over size. I don't get the negative reaction toward GH3 here, there is plenty of small camera for those m43 users who wants small sizes.

Olympus squeeze the Sony-Made-EM5-Sensor into tiny E-PM2 and E-PL5. These two camera will be HOT.

I'm the most disappointed by Canon

• No highly anticipated 7D mk2. 7D - altough competitive - is getting a little long in the tooth for an update
• No rumor of a 70d
• No new pancake lens announce
• Canon 6D is still too expensive and too many feature removed.

My disappointment with Nikon rest on that D600 is $2000 instead of the rumor $1500. Feature wise, Nikon D600 walk all over Canon 6d.

Anyhow, its a banner year for Sony.

g_r_w said:

The problem with these events is that nothing is left secret anymore. Everything has been uncovered beforehand and so by the time it rolls around there are no suprises and nothing to be excited about.

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This is a feature, not a bug. It's the same reason Apple move their product announcement schedule entirely in-house: information moves faster today than when trade shows releasing information to monthly publications was the norm (certainly faster than Photokina's birth in 1950).

Two years in cameras used to be short. For some modern camera models, two entire generations of cameras will come and go in that time. For better or for worse, trade shows like Photokina are becoming irrelevant.

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Got me there, i haven't used any Nex's yet been an olympus user for over a decade

I think it's a stupid decision by Sony to leave out the touch screen..

The main thing that attracts me to the Nex-6 is the form factor, size and quality of the sensor and now the collapsible 24mm eq lens.

Now we just need another collapsible M4/3 lens with a similar or better spec... problem is I don't know if either Panny or Olympus have the talent to miniturize quite as well as Sony.

Well summed up! I am very excited about the new pens. Hopefully they are bug free and the ibis works properly.

It's really surreal to watch Canon squander their once market leading position as they are. I hope they recover their initiative and come up with some ground breaking cameras in the near future..

Other than the Sony sensor, what does the E-PL5 and E-PM2 bring to the table? Where is the PDAF, the compact kit zoom, the multi-frame noise reduction & dynamic boost?

These 2 come across as aged cameras, biding time until ... I don't know what.

I also find it strange that none of the new sensor cameras have built-in flash. If the intended audience of these 2 cameras are P&S upgraders (as per the DPR preview), then it has failed.

However, taking the glass half full approach, I am hoping that Olympus used resources that could have added functionality, and instead used it to make existing functionality work better. Such as IBIS that works (instead of the E-PM1 where it sometimes made things worse), face detection that works, more accurate AF even at the expense of speed, etc.

Overall disappointing.

When I was eight, I found my gift hidden in a high top shelf (I was lucky to get a gift back then) so the big holiday was anticlimatic, more so because we put a chair on the kitchen table to see that top shelf and my brother fell off and sprained his arm. He tried to hide that, but was found out. So we never looked again.

On a more practical level, I swore off the 43rumors site when it got hacked a year ago and my AV software warned me it was trying to load scripts onto my PC.

So early Monday (late afternoon in Europe) was like an Xmas morning looking at DPR news.

Agree with all you said but this:

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My disappointment with Nikon rest on that D600 is $2000 instead of the rumor $1500.

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Why blame Nikon and not the rumor sites that spread the misinformation?

Other than that, I'm also positively surprised by the AF Zeiss lenses for NEX and Fujifilm X (with aperture ring and all).

And my prize for the worst of the show has to go to the Hasselnstein. What a joke!

I have mixed feelings about the GH3. Don't know if I like it or not (I'm a GH2 owner).

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Well to address the E-PM2 and E-PL5, the loss of the flash I am sure is both to decrease size/weight and cost to manufacture. The new sensor is, to some degree, better enough to compensate in a lot of ways. Both are bundled with, I assume it is the same, the tiny clip on flash from the OM-D E-M5. Yes, that can be a bit of a pain. However, in my experience it takes some dreadfully low light not be able to capture a picture with my E-M5 not using a flash. Now stopping motion might be a little harder and the 5-axis IBIS isn't carried over, which would add to the difficulty.

That said, unless they are throwing out some of the other advantages of the E-M5 sensor, the CDAF is also going to be improved over the E-PM1 and E-P3/E-PL3. You also have improved screens on both cameras and slightly increased controls.

Oh, lets go back to the sensor. That 16mp sensor is significantly better than the old 12mp one. Expanded DR, a couple of stops better high ISO noise, the higher resolution, etc. That in and of its self is not an insignificant upgrade.

Oh and both cameras can handle 8FPS burst. Not sure on buffer depth (maybe smaller than the E-M5?), but that is a pretty nice added feature too.

I don't personally see them as "no features added". It is probably the most significant upgrade to the PEN cameras in a lot of ways since the E-P1 was introduced.
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The x100 surprised everyone at the last photokina 2 years ago, which has spurred nostalgic cameras from Fuji/Oly and fixed lens large sensor cameras from Canon and Sony.

Agreed, I'm quite looking forward to the new PENs.
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Yeah, was disappointed that Oly didn't come up with a 25mm reasonably fast lens, The Sony RX1 seems like quite a nice dream. The EPL5 was sort of expected to have the OMD sensor. The GH3 seems a bit bigger than I thought it might be, although it seems like quite an advanced camera...enough over the OMD to account for the size difference? I don't know (for still photography).

I'm sort of disappointed with the direction that everyone but Leica is taking (and they cost too much anyway)..the interconnection of all devices, the overload of data in everyday life. It has begun to seem because of that overload, that the good...or excellent..gets blended in with the junk and that marketing oneself, rather than the quality of the photographer's output seems to be paramount...as it is with so many things now. I don't know if all of this interconnection of devices and minds is really beneficial as a whole...but maybe will sort itself out eventually. Myself: I like simplicity...and the direction at Photokina seems headed away from that.
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Skipper I like your post, let me add some comments.

The Skipper said:

Other than the Sony sensor, what does the E-PL5 and E-PM2 bring to the table? Where is the PDAF, the compact kit zoom, the multi-frame noise reduction & dynamic boost?

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Noise reduction and dynamic boost (whatever that is) are not so necessary with the new sensor, although I hear they've added some multi-frame HDR, and Pens have always had an excellent Jpeg ISO-bracket that I use all the time.

The Skipper said:

I also find it strange that none of the new sensor cameras have built-in flash. If the intended audience of these 2 cameras are P&S upgraders (as per the DPR preview), then it has failed.

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Pop-up flash makes the e-pL1 & 2 great all-round workhorses.

The add-on flash for my e-pM1 languishes permanently among the sticky mints and fluff in the bottom of my bag.

The Skipper said:

... Such as IBIS that works (instead of the E-PM1 where it sometimes made things worse), face detection that works, more accurate AF even at the expense of speed, etc.

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Working IBIS has something to do with the weight of the body. e-pM is too light.
My e-P2 has the best working IBIS of my Pen selection, I don't have the e-M5.

Bring on the e-P4 !