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LOVE your amateurish calculation. Thanks. LOL
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D600 pricing... or what lack of competition means...
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I suggest you go to your local library and borrow a book called "The Wealth of Nations" by a fellow named Adam Smith. Read up on how pricing works on a free market. To sumarize: the market price of a product has nothing to to with manufacturing costs or the ammount of labor involved. A product has no intrinsic value, It's value, and thus it's price on the market is determined only by the combination of what someone will sell it for at the same time as someone else will buy at that price, and both parties experience they are better off.
Consider something like a t-shirt. Production costs are often less than a dollar and it sells for ten to twenty times as much. On the other end of the spectrum there are items like cars where in some cases sales price are lower than production costs. What all this means is that you can do your calculation, but even if your numbers where anything close to real it doesn't make a difference on the pricing. Te only thing that matters is whether the consumer thinks the benefit of owning the camera outweighs the price tag.
Theodoros Fotometria
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--There is not a disagreement here on whatever you mention, I have after all a British BEng. in Mechanical & Production engineering degree. The thing is that this camera is treated different by Nikon than every other camera they make because there is a lack of competition and thus they can... there is two reasons for that: 1.They can now "pocket" the extra money with no consequences on production volume (i.e. if they would price it like the rest of their products, production volume vs. demand wouldn't increase much). 2. If pricing was correct, the D800 would suffer some cannibalization because of price difference.
Never the less no customer of the new camera will be happy when competition appears and the price drops by more than ....25%(!!!)
2650 Euros for D800 vs. 2150 for D600 in Europe, is outrageous for the quality difference!
To give you a magnitude of what "correct" pricing should be, you may refer to the D300 vs. D700 price difference and now look at the D7K vs. D600 price difference, mind you also that the D300 vs. D700 difference would be even less if D700 was assembled outside Japan as D600 is.
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DenWil
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The sensor in the D600 is 33% smaller than the D800(E) 24MP vs. 36MP and the price is 2100 vs. 3000/3300
Yes there is a composite faceplate. Add a battery grip and a few odds and ends and the Nikon D600 would seem to fit the bill nicely as this years 5D2 multi purpose success- which launched at 2699$ US new several years ago and now sells for 1979$.
At 2100 Nikon would seem to have pegged the perfect sticker price in the middle of their product line. The new palm sized Sony FF 35mm fixed is the same price as the Nikon D600 with a new 85mm 1.8G .
Portraits, landscapes on full manual with a variety of optional automation for folks who like that sort of thing. 24MP seems to suit many needs and if you do need 50% more sensor then for an equivalent increase in expenditure a larger all mag body, and a variety of enhanced abilities are included with a D800 (E).
I never learned Greek math but yours doesn't add up.
Yes there is a composite faceplate. Add a battery grip and a few odds and ends and the Nikon D600 would seem to fit the bill nicely as this years 5D2 multi purpose success- which launched at 2699$ US new several years ago and now sells for 1979$.
At 2100 Nikon would seem to have pegged the perfect sticker price in the middle of their product line. The new palm sized Sony FF 35mm fixed is the same price as the Nikon D600 with a new 85mm 1.8G .
Portraits, landscapes on full manual with a variety of optional automation for folks who like that sort of thing. 24MP seems to suit many needs and if you do need 50% more sensor then for an equivalent increase in expenditure a larger all mag body, and a variety of enhanced abilities are included with a D800 (E).
I never learned Greek math but yours doesn't add up.
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Patco
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As you seem to believe DPR above all else, how about this:
"The D800's viewfinder is large and bright, as you'd expect in a full-frame DSLR. Like the D4, it has a 0.7x magnification"
"The Nikon D800 has a viewfinder magnification of 0.7x, virtually the same as the Canon EOS 5D Mark III, and just a bit smaller than the top-of-the-line EOS 1D X"
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/6
"Viewfinder magnification 0.7×"
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/2
The D800 VF magnification, stated several times, is 0.7x, not 0.72x.
I assume you already agree the D600 viewfinder is 0.7x magnification.
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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
Theodoros Fotometria
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chipmaster
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Huh.. the size of the overall sensor is the same, the size of each pixel is different. That will have some materially impact on yield, but the area of the sensor is the biggest thing buddy!
Neither you or me know the cost curve for the D600... And it doesn't really matter.
It's not like you add some mark-up on your costs and - voila! - there is the "right" price.
Economy 101.
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Nikola
Theodoros Fotometria
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--I'll add what is missing: ...from manufacturer's POV.
Theodoros
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You didn't get it... But you can always camp in front of the Nikon headquarters demanding for their explanation or price reduction. Good luck with that!
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Nikola
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Patco
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I see... You are taking whatdigitalcamera.com as your source of viewfinder size as gospel because it suits your argument, regardless of Nikon's published specs, and those of DPReview, imaging-resource.com, dcresource.com, and so on?
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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels
DenWil
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Really ...it is? The actual FF sensors are the same size? Is that why the sensors have the same measurements? Thanks buddy !
I consider that a 24 x36 mm sensor with 24 MP is smaller and a 24 x 36mm sensor with 36MP is larger.
You think what you like.
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denniswilliams
CFynn
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Not that much smaller or lighter. If they had made the body the size of an FM3a, I'd have been impressed.
By your math office building 24 x 36 m with 24 offices is smaller than 24 x 36 m building with 36 offices?
Huh...
Must say your math is much more interesting
(btw, your comment re. Greek math is not appropriate at all)
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Nikola
Rick Knepper
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for the special owners who will own this camera.
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schufosi777
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Pentax k5 new one and D7000 are less than half the price of this camera. I think in terms of price per performance we have gone backwards. Such a big opportunity for Nikon.
CFynn
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People are complaining the price of the D600 is too high - but for the extra $1000 the D800 costs, what to you get:
a sensor with 12 more megapixels
more magnesium in the body
a bit better shutter mechanism
a faster shutter speed (1/8000 vs 1/ 4000s) and slightly higher synch speed
better AF module
USB3 vs USB2
a CF card slot and one less SD slot
a few extra buttons and knobs
maybe better weather sealing (though Nikon says the two have equivalent weather sealing )
Do these fairly minor differences really cost Nikon more than an entire D7000 body?
Looking at it this way, I think that one could make out a fair case that it is the D800 that is overpriced and not the D600 just as easily as one could make out the case that the D600 is overpriced.
Most of the things (except the FX sensor) will probably also appear in a D400 body that will be priced between the D7000 and D600.
a sensor with 12 more megapixels
more magnesium in the body
a bit better shutter mechanism
a faster shutter speed (1/8000 vs 1/ 4000s) and slightly higher synch speed
better AF module
USB3 vs USB2
a CF card slot and one less SD slot
a few extra buttons and knobs
maybe better weather sealing (though Nikon says the two have equivalent weather sealing )
Do these fairly minor differences really cost Nikon more than an entire D7000 body?
Looking at it this way, I think that one could make out a fair case that it is the D800 that is overpriced and not the D600 just as easily as one could make out the case that the D600 is overpriced.
Most of the things (except the FX sensor) will probably also appear in a D400 body that will be priced between the D7000 and D600.
Reilly Diefenbach
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as not to be here.
Theodoros Fotometria
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--+1. They did it because of absence of competition, the product is clearly well overpriced.
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Exactly what I thought reading that moron's post.
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