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Is RX100 made in Japan?

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Yeah. They even have fake "Aple" stores there (with misspelled "Apple") which Apple is not aware of.
Anyway, I chose myself what I am paying for and I definitely want MIJ not MIC.

(Neither I have an ipad or iphone and I'm not sure I could tell the difference when I see them.)
Jared Huntr said:
Why is it that when made in Japan products have poor QC, no one seems to make a stink about the fact that they come from Japan? For example, Fuji cameras are usually Made in Japan and yet experience a ton of issues as reported in the forums. I personally have experienced issues with Fuji cameras made in Japan. Sigma lenses are also made in Japan but yet it usually takes a lot of effort to find a good one in a batch.

Some of the finest quality electronics like Apple Iphones and Ipads which exemplify cutting edge technology and manufacturing tolerances measured in microns are made in China but no one gives credit to this country of origin when there are no issues at all.

It just makes people sound ignorant when harbor such hypocrisy.
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Jared Huntr said:
Why is it that when made in Japan products have poor QC, no one seems to make a stink about the fact that they come from Japan? For example, Fuji cameras are usually Made in Japan and yet experience a ton of issues as reported in the forums. I personally have experienced issues with Fuji cameras made in Japan. Sigma lenses are also made in Japan but yet it usually takes a lot of effort to find a good one in a batch.

Some of the finest quality electronics like Apple Iphones and Ipads which exemplify cutting edge technology and manufacturing tolerances measured in microns are made in China but no one gives credit to this country of origin when there are no issues at all.

It just makes people sound ignorant when harbor such hypocrisy.
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Ignorance and hypocrisy, try lead in pharmaceuticals, try their human rights agenda. I don't need to continue and I apologize for bringing politics into this, I simply avoid whenever I can Made in China, my choice and nobody should tell me I am a hypocrite or riding on a high horse. You can buy where you like. And if it is a US company owned factory paying a fair wage I have less issue, but a Chinese factory does not usually pay a fair wage to their workers and the saving you get are not in line with the saving sony gets.
 
Sony Japan production has perhaps switched to the RX1...

Makes the Japanese RX100 a bit rare...nice!

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Joel Stern said:
Shame on them, I will not own it from China, it is a human rights thing as well as a trade thing form me.
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It's a shame you feel that way, cause a Nikon factory in China likely provides coveted jobs that let rural Chinese make enough money to support their families and buy a house back home. The worst factories are the Chinese owned ones, those owned by a company like Nikon probably have pretty good conditions. Nikon's factory is probably just as state of the art as the ones in Japan (although it's probably just a final assembly plant).
 
cllcanada said:
Sony Japan production has perhaps switched to the RX1...

Makes the Japanese RX100 a bit rare...nice!

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When all else fails ...try a 'search'
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I doubt it - too expensive to tool up just to build a few samples. More likely, the Japan-made ones are for domestic consumption.
 
Joel Stern said:
chocjellybean26 said:
I just got my yesterday friday 16ths september. which was a new shipment that arrived to Sony Australia from overseas a few days before that. ...so unsure... maybe Australia got the last batch then :)
argonzero said:
...Not sure why I would lie about that, but I have it clear and simple. I bought the camera this week from Amazon Sept 10th. I'm not too happy about that aspect of the camera, but its not a deal breaker.
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Well you can look at it to see, it will say made in.....at the bottom
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Sorry I should have said that my made in Japan model..,

I knew it was Japan before I posted that
 
VarmintCong said:
Joel Stern said:
Shame on them, I will not own it from China, it is a human rights thing as well as a trade thing form me.
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It's a shame you feel that way, cause a Nikon factory in China likely provides coveted jobs that let rural Chinese make enough money to support their families and buy a house back home. The worst factories are the Chinese owned ones, those owned by a company like Nikon probably have pretty good conditions. Nikon's factory is probably just as state of the art as the ones in Japan (although it's probably just a final assembly plant).
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I agree with you and I posted someplace else that if a US or Japanese factory is running things that the human rights violations, the wages, etc, things would be different. I am talking about the Chinese owned facilities and I have no way to know if Sony has one for the RX100 or if it is jobbed out to a vendor that makes cameras for everyone....we are not on different pages, I have to think unless I know that it is a Chinese owned facility. thanks for your observations.
 
Chinese workers are among the most exploited in the world. When a company like Apple has these unfortunate people assembling iPhones and iPads for two or three bucks a day, then there may be a genuine, bona-fide human rights issue here.

Surely Apple, the most successful technology vendor in the world, can afford to modernize their Chinese factories and pay their employees more than 60 bucks a month.

Yeah, I suppose when you're starving you'll willingly allow yourself to be exploited, but that doesn't make exploitation the right thing to do.

As for Apple, an American company making a fortune in the United State marketplace. they should be hiring American workers. They'll still be making a fortune and they'll be doing their part to improve our economy.
VarmintCong said:
Joel Stern wrote:

Shame on them, I will not own it from China, it is a human rights thing as well as a trade thing form me.
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I agree.

Rich
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I am really surprised people are still beating on apple.

Did you not read the news this week? 200 people died in a denim factory fire in Pakistan. All the doors were locked but one, these employees, the ones who survived, would kill to have a job at Foxconn making imacs. I'm not saying that the supply chain to apple can't be improved it is just funny to watch people jumping on that bandwagon on message boards -- then picking up $5 tees from Target without a thought.

If you really care about the workers in the Apple supply chain then FIRST make sure you are not buying anything in the garment industry that you've researched has not come through disgusting factories in Pakistan or elsewhere in the far east.

Rank all the consumer imported goods in descending order of working conditions and I wager you'll find Apple in the top tier, partly because of the negative publicity over the last few years but ALSO because they undoubtably paid a bit more than they had to for quality construction, rather than (to pick someone at random) Dell, let alone overseas giants like Samsung which would put labor conditions and pay at the very bottom of their list of priorities.
 
Joel Stern said:
VarmintCong said:
Joel Stern said:
Shame on them, I will not own it from China, it is a human rights thing as well as a trade thing form me.
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It's a shame you feel that way, cause a Nikon factory in China likely provides coveted jobs that let rural Chinese make enough money to support their families and buy a house back home. The worst factories are the Chinese owned ones, those owned by a company like Nikon probably have pretty good conditions. Nikon's factory is probably just as state of the art as the ones in Japan (although it's probably just a final assembly plant).
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I agree with you and I posted someplace else that if a US or Japanese factory is running things that the human rights violations, the wages, etc, things would be different. I am talking about the Chinese owned facilities and I have no way to know if Sony has one for the RX100 or if it is jobbed out to a vendor that makes cameras for everyone....we are not on different pages, I have to think unless I know that it is a Chinese owned facility. thanks for your observations.
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Relating to this and a previous post......

You might want to think on guitar production too, and especially about the precious hardwoods used in these products. China has terrible policies relating to the sourcing and import of such materials, and appears to care little for the wellbeing of certain endangered / threatened parts of the planet. However, having said that, Europeans, the Japanese and the USA are all also VERY guilty of trading in timber which has extremely dodgy origins.

Isn't capilaism wonderful.
 
Joel Stern said:
Jared Huntr said:
Why is it that when made in Japan products have poor QC, no one seems to make a stink about the fact that they come from Japan? For example, Fuji cameras are usually Made in Japan and yet experience a ton of issues as reported in the forums. I personally have experienced issues with Fuji cameras made in Japan. Sigma lenses are also made in Japan but yet it usually takes a lot of effort to find a good one in a batch.

Some of the finest quality electronics like Apple Iphones and Ipads which exemplify cutting edge technology and manufacturing tolerances measured in microns are made in China but no one gives credit to this country of origin when there are no issues at all.

It just makes people sound ignorant when harbor such hypocrisy.
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Ignorance and hypocrisy, try lead in pharmaceuticals, try their human rights agenda. I don't need to continue and I apologize for bringing politics into this, I simply avoid whenever I can Made in China, my choice and nobody should tell me I am a hypocrite or riding on a high horse. You can buy where you like. And if it is a US company owned factory paying a fair wage I have less issue, but a Chinese factory does not usually pay a fair wage to their workers and the saving you get are not in line with the saving sony gets.
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If someone knows the Chinese (factory owner + workers) made only a total of USD4.00 for an iPhone, > 10 times less than the US sale tax, will he still believe those political nonsense. Human right claims etc. are tools to make the import cost even lower. Open your eyes and have a look.

Things may be named,but names are not the things.
 
Picked up mine yesterday, here in Sweden, and it is MIC. However, initial tests indicate there's no decentering issues and it seems to be solidly put together. As someone else pointed out, MIJ or MIUS doesn't mean all that much in terms of quality. This is a mass manufactured product so hoping that quality would somehow be based on country of origin is rather optimistic. Maybe Made in Germany means something when it comes to Leica, and I sure wouldn't want my IWC put together in China, but we're talking about something else entirely then.

As for moral qualms, well, since pretty much our entire civilization was built through slave labor, child labor, poor workers' rights etc etc, it does seem like the pot calling the kettle black. China et al have some catching up to do, but expecting factories there to pay the same wages and offer the same rights as in e.g. Japan or most European countries is pointless. It is THANKS to outsourcing to these countries that they will be able to improve living and working standards, and so far their main competitive advantage is lower cost of production.

Besides, just think of what Made in Japan meant 30 years ago... Still, I see more Honda Civics from 1980 in good condition than I see Chevys or even Cadillacs...

Tom
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RX100 for landscapes and underwater photography.
 
mbv said:
Yeah. They even have fake "Aple" stores there (with misspelled "Apple") which Apple is not aware of.
Anyway, I chose myself what I am paying for and I definitely want MIJ not MIC.

(Neither I have an ipad or iphone and I'm not sure I could tell the difference when I see them.)
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Not sure what your point is going off topic. We are not discussiing IP violations.
 
Mass or not, the RX100 price does not suggest that it should be made according to the MIC traditions with some electrical tape and hot glue piecing together the innards.
ktwse said:
This is a mass manufactured product so hoping that quality would somehow be based on country of origin is rather optimistic.

Tom
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RX100 for landscapes and underwater photography.
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My point is not about IP --- they sell the same "micron precision" gadgets although counterfeit, thus I don't see why the MIC "genuine brand" should be any better.
Jared Huntr said:
mbv said:
Yeah. They even have fake "Aple" stores there (with misspelled "Apple") which Apple is not aware of.
Anyway, I chose myself what I am paying for and I definitely want MIJ not MIC.

(Neither I have an ipad or iphone and I'm not sure I could tell the difference when I see them.)
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Not sure what your point is going off topic. We are not discussiing IP violations.
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