Let's be clear about Photokina...

After just having my D700 lens mount replaced, I have a suggestion

If you have big glass 300 2.8, 400, etc... try carrying the attached unit by the lens and detach the big boy when storing.

I became aware of this when putting the 300 on my V1 toy and the mount replacement made me a believer.
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Rags

JimPearce said:

Nikon's marketing message for now is: upgrade = FX.
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Jim

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Yes, Nikon seems to set profit first with the driving force to sell FX bodies (D600, D800 and D700 before) to previous DX owners and earn money mostly on sales of the more expensive FX lenses.

The core dilemma is that quite some owners of the D700 and the D300(s) might find themselves without a true upgrade in the D600 and the D800 or a D7100.

teodorian2 said:

JimPearce said:

Nikon's marketing message for now is: upgrade = FX.
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Jim

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Yes, Nikon seems to set profit first with the driving force to sell FX bodies (D600, D800 and D700 before) to previous DX owners and earn money mostly on sales of the more expensive FX lenses.

The core dilemma is that quite some owners of the D700 and the D300(s) might find themselves without a true upgrade in the D600 and the D800 or a D7100.

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Although it is quite possible that Nikon is doing exactly what you guys imply, it's possible that the natural disasters goofed up the works that it has just worked out this way.

It doesn't matter though, because the end result is the same. The d800 sounds like a wonderful body to have for general photography, but the guys that often used the d700 high performance features, probably don't get a warm fuzzy feeling with the feature sets of the d600/800. I used my d700 quite a bit for action shooting and as much as I'd like to have the claimed better IQ of the d800, I'd still have to use my d700 or d3s for my action shooting. That's a rather expensive proposition, compared to the way it was when the d300 and d700 were announced.

Since I have to keep my current bodies anyway, I'm holding off on new Nikon stuff.

Kerry
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my gallery of so-so photos
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something that you will not win.

but yeah when the D600 does get announced this week, do make sure that you will buy 1000 lottery tickets next week. I will say that you will win a million dollars. If you don't oh well, atleast I am happy that atleast one prediction (D600) will come out right.

happy?

redhed17 said:

Devendra said:

5D2 barely can AF and only has one usable center AF point.

D600 will be 39 AF points and it will be as impressive as most Nikon AF cameras are - precise, reliable and yes AF works in all points, has spot metering and and does well with both locking and tracking.

Plus at less than half the price of 5D3 it will probably smoke the pipes that you seem to be borrowing from canon

it will basically kill 5D2 and chew on quite a few 5D3 sales - at least from knowledgeable canon non-faboi consumers

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Amazing you can be so sure of what a rumoured cameras affect will be on the competition, without seeing a picture, or hearing from anyone who has seen or used one. Or did I miss the announcement?

Btw, what are this weeks Lottery Numbers? ;-)

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Redhed17



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jfriend00 said:

1. If they've decided it needs to be 24MP (for market reasons) and it needs to be capable of 8fps to really be the DX speed camera and a true upgrade to the D300, then the current EXPEED 3 chip may not be able to do that. So, perhaps they are working on achieving 8fps at 24MP at 14 bits.

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That doesn't fit with th expeed 3 capabilties in other cameras, e.g. the V1

jfriend00 said:

2. If they were really going to do a top-of-the-line DX camera, they would want to squeeze as much high ISO performance as you can get out of a DX sensor. The D800 (in DX crop mode) shows that it might be possible to do meaningfully better than the D3200 at high ISO. That probably requires some significant development, probably in several aspects of the sensor (micro lenses, read noise, QE, etc...). You can see here http://bit.ly/NWTDen that a DX crop of the D800 is better than the D3200 so there is room for improvement, but it might take some new technology to get that improvement at 24MP vs. the 15MP of the D800 crop.

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If they were working on it, they knew this. So it has to be a regualr aspect in R&D. Not something to delay camera for.

jfriend00 said:

3. The Japanese battery laws forced them to different batteries so perhaps they're working on how to get 8fps out of those different batteries (more current out of the batteries or less current to drive the mirror).

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This is probably the smallest problem in a camera design. A slight redisgn of the old battery would have been enough.

jfriend00 said:

Yes, they could have just put the D7000 sensor in the D300 body and had a D400 a long time ago, but for their pro cameras, they try to make the major revs be major revs that pros can shoot with for 4-5 years and not feel like they've been left behind 1-2 years later. So, perhaps they decided they wanted to take a bigger step with the D400 than just upgrading the sensor to the D7000 sensor.

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That would have been a wise move two years ago.

lock said:

jfriend00 said:

1. If they've decided it needs to be 24MP (for market reasons) and it needs to be capable of 8fps to really be the DX speed camera and a true upgrade to the D300, then the current EXPEED 3 chip may not be able to do that. So, perhaps they are working on achieving 8fps at 24MP at 14 bits.

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That doesn't fit with th expeed 3 capabilties in other cameras, e.g. the V1

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It does fit with both the D4 and D800 though which are doing a much more similar job than the V1 is. I've seen people say the Expeed in V1 can go really fast, but it isn't clear whether it's doing the same thing as the D800 and D4 and possible D400 (e.g. same 14-bit RAW pipeline). If it could go faster, one would have though the D800 would have been faster. Why not make it go as fast as the D700 was? At 36MP, it isn't completely limited by the mirror because it goes faster in DX mode so I was guessing that it's limited by the ability to move MP around and the D800 numbers at 36MP match up with the fastest that the D4 can go at 16MP (even without AF). It seems like there's a chip limitation there somewhere.

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lock said:

2. If they were really going to do a top-of-the-line DX camera, they would want to squeeze as much high ISO performance as you can get out of a DX sensor. The D800 (in DX crop mode) shows that it might be possible to do meaningfully better than the D3200 at high ISO. That probably requires some significant development, probably in several aspects of the sensor (micro lenses, read noise, QE, etc...). You can see here http://bit.ly/NWTDen that a DX crop of the D800 is better than the D3200 so there is room for improvement, but it might take some new technology to get that improvement at 24MP vs. the 15MP of the D800 crop.

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If they were working on it, they knew this. So it has to be a regualr aspect in R&D. Not something to delay camera for.

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I'm just saying that it's something that might have taken longer than they planned or it got prioritized behind other projects. Or, a vendor failed to deliver what they thought they were relying on. Who knows. This desire could explain why they didn't just do a minor rev on the D7000 sensor and put it in a D400 (not moving the needle far enough).
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torags said:

If you have big glass 300 2.8, 400, etc... try carrying the attached unit by the lens and detach the big boy when storing.

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I'm a mechanical engineer, albeit retired and I have been doing that forever!

The forces generated by a large lens freely cantilevered on a camera mount are considerable.

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Phil_L