Is Samsung leaving mirrorless market?

hootsmon · Sep 9, 2012

Folks, I feel there's WAY too much hand-wringing and angst in this thread

As Thom Hogan says, let's enjoy the very capable gear we already have...

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/june-2012/live-in-the-present.html

lol101 · Sep 9, 2012

trevmar said:
zkz5 said:

When they produce a camera that handles a full buffer as well my entry level Nikon from 2004 does .. when they produce all lenses that they announce...

Click to expand...

Samsung clearly have lost your brand-loyalty. So you must surely agree they are doing exactly the correct thing by looking to define a new market of less-jaded customers?

They probably have lost mine too and no amount of Android apps is going to lure new customers to Samsung if their cameras are nowhere to be found...

First things first: get the product in your customers hands don't you think?

lol101 · Sep 9, 2012

hootsmon said:
Folks, I feel there's WAY too much hand-wringing and angst in this thread
As Thom Hogan says, let's enjoy the very capable gear we already have...

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/june-2012/live-in-the-present.html

Frankly, I don't care about new products since my main problem is being able to find actual products and some support locally.

It's been this way since 2008. I use to tell myself that it was because Samsung was just launching a new system but this is no longer a reasonable excuse and I now think that it won't change, at least in my neck of the woods.

Looks like my NX10 and primes will go on the Bay before the end of this year...

It's been fun Samsung, but it's over.

trevmar · Sep 9, 2012

lol101 said:
They probably have lost mine too and no amount of Android apps is going to lure new customers to Samsung if their cameras are nowhere to be found...

Er, Samsung sold 10 million Galaxy III phones since June. They look set to clear millions of this Galaxy Camera too, judging by the reaction in the mass marketplace

--And by the look of these accessories, Samsung is serious about providing effective photographic solutions for the mass market--

"We live in interesting times"...
.

image from: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/samsung-galaxy-camera-flashes-housing-hands-on/

Frederick Lim · Sep 9, 2012

The X-E1 is what I expected from Samsung, but I am totally disappointed with Samsung which still keep the fake SLR style for NX20.

If Samsung not release something close to X-E1 in a year or two, it is not Samsung leaving mirrorless market, it is I am leaving Samsung!

simontramper · Sep 9, 2012

I would hope that now Sony have realised the RX-1 that Samsung will respond to the challenge .

trevmar · Sep 10, 2012

simontramper said:
I would hope that now Sony have realised the RX-1 that Samsung will respond to the challenge .

It is also Nokia releasing the 41MP N808. Samsung must respond to this DPreview:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808-pureview
.

lol101 · Sep 10, 2012

trevmar said:
lol101 said:

They probably have lost mine too and no amount of Android apps is going to lure new customers to Samsung if their cameras are nowhere to be found...

Click to expand...

Er, Samsung sold 10 million Galaxy III phones since June. They look set to clear millions of this Galaxy Camera too, judging by the reaction in the mass marketplace

I am talking about the NX line... what does Galaxy phones/cameras have to do with it?

trevmar said:
--And by the look of these accessories, Samsung is serious about providing effective photographic solutions for the mass market--

That pretty much confirms what I was sensing: Samsung is shifting to developing cellphones/P&S with all sort of wiz-bang geeky gizmos I have no interest in and promoting the NX line is the least of their concern.

trevmar said:
"We live in interesting times"...
.

On the Samsung side? Not for me I'm affraid... Fuji look more promising these days.

trevmar said:
image from: http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/samsung-galaxy-camera-flashes-housing-hands-on/

targut · Sep 10, 2012

MGJA said:
Oh, and I write apps for Android and Windows Phone and applications for Windows and Linux, so unless you have some solid backing for your statement above, don't bother regurgitating camera board talking points. Turns out your average camera fanboy know about as much about software development as your average computer nerd does about Ansel Adams.

Is it personal? Thanks for advice but I have not asked for advices and personal estimations of myself.

Samsung NX200 requires too long just to write down RAW files to the card. I do not see any indication that any custom Android application can do things faster. If you see some, I am very interested to know about them. But please be technical and not personal.

targut · Sep 10, 2012

trevmar said:
I gave two examples of camera applications I use on my Samsung Galaxy Note. One, Camera FV-5 offers very nice bracketing and burst modes, as well as saving PNG (uncompressed) images rather than JPG. CameraPro offers continuous video filming beyond the 20 minutes limit of the MP4 container. It also offers additional functions for stills. So what, exactly, is your point?

Does Samsung Galaxy Note have to process 50MB of RAW data per image? Doesn't it have much more capable hardware that that of a mirrorless camera?

targut · Sep 10, 2012

trevmar said:
CameraPro offers continuous video filming beyond the 20 minutes limit of the MP4 container.

As far as I know, the 20 minutes limit is an artificial limitation due to legal requrements. This limitation can be easily removed with just a single line of code. This has nothing to do with real image processing though

trevmar · Sep 10, 2012

targut said:
Samsung NX200 requires too long just to write down RAW files to the card. I do not see any indication that any custom Android application can do things faster.

I gave you the name of one app I use, "Camera FV-5." It handles uncompressed PNG files, not quite as good as RAW, but much better than JPG. And it handles the writing queue perfectly.

Sure, none of this is going to exactly replace an NX camera. The question is -- will the new technologies ever supplant the NX? Some would argue that the new Sony RX100 and RX1 might come very close, for all except a small range of situations.

Hey, I used to use Ektachrome. I don't use it any more. Several SLR sit on my shelf, discarded over a lifetime. Sometimes technology marches on, regardless of whether we like it, or not

tecnoworld · Sep 10, 2012

if the new Sony camera is the RX-1 with fixed lens, then I'm totally uninterested. I'd be very interested in the same camera with changeable lenses, though...

simontramper · Sep 10, 2012

tecnoworld said:
if the new Sony camera is the RX-1 with fixed lens, then I'm totally uninterested. I'd be very interested in the same camera with changeable lenses, though...

that's what they are saying on the sony forum .

migus · Sep 11, 2012

So the game could be among Fuji and Sony, with Samsung just watching from well behind. What a pity, I have bet on the wrong system.

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I don't plan to defend the NX, nor invest in its lenses (though the 30 was tempting). But i did compare one of its lower reps, the NX100, vs. the 'enthusiast' camera world. In the 100-400 ISO it's a world class (see prior definition of 'world'), particularly in raw. And up to ISO 800 my old NX100 holds quite well... alas, against the original 5D and NEX-5N. Even its often blamed JPG engine is not so hopeless as believed.

NX100 w/ various Nikkor manual lenses
https://picasaweb.google.com/107634715157732050217/SpringFlowersAbstractMacro

or w/ the 20-50 kit lens
https://picasaweb.google.com/104896643939448365565/OurVeryBestSwissFall

Surely i'd like a full-frame not larger than the NX200, w/ cleaner higher ISO and 1K+ shots per charge... but meanwhile i use all my glass on the NX100 and work w/ its limitations. Samsung's roadmap would only be of concern if i were to invest in their glass, which despite the promise, i can't commit. So i keep buying canikon glass and use it on NX and other CSC's via adapters.

Desverger · Sep 11, 2012

I'd be shocked if Samsung decides to just walk away from the market at this point. I really don't expect a new camera body any time soon as I think firmware upgrades could solve many issues. I think Samsung sees the unique position they are in - they have no DSLR market to cannibalize and the NX line can add more credibility to their point and shoot line. Flagship lines are usually not expected to make huge sales themselves, but to drive people to the brand.

Samsung is a very aggressive company and I've never seen them just walk away from a market. And I know it seems like they're a small time player here, but who would have thought Samsung would be the number one cell phone maker five years ago?

cmeier · Sep 12, 2012

Desverger said:
Samsung is a very aggressive company and I've never seen them just walk away from a market.

Samsung GX?

Jorginho · Sep 12, 2012

Well, some observations:

The reason that they do not need to cannibalise is oke. But that has been the case with mirrorless right from the start. So they are almost three years here and did not take advantage.
Samsung is an aggressive company you say. Again: the facts show that when it comes to CSCs ti surely isn't. It has been the opposite: almost no marketing, much slower development etc.
Phones explain the difference to some extend: here Samsung is very aggressive. Lots of ads etc.

Phones are also quite, quite different from CSCs and can be better compared to P&S cams: you need not commit to them. With CSC's you lose your investment (lenses). If something takes investing longterm we need to sure some are in it for the long run. Canikon have shown it, Oly well a bit less (4/3s...), Sony has also a longer history. Panasonic is still not there but realy building up a reputation I think. So the comparison is not that valid.

strata83 · Sep 12, 2012

I've heard from people in Samsung that they recently transferred the guy who was responsible for the success of their mobile division to their photo division AND they gave him 2 years to make their mirrorless line successful. If NX doesn't succeed in 2 years, they will abandon this market.

Don't shoot the messenger, this is just what I heard.

migus · Sep 12, 2012

my previous post was hidden (syntax error due to "> --")

my message was

migus said:
I don't plan to defend the NX, nor invest in its lenses (though the 30 was tempting). But i did compare one of its lower reps, the NX100, vs. the 'enthusiast' camera world. In the 100-400 ISO it's a world class (see prior definition of 'world'), particularly in raw. And up to ISO 800 my old NX100 holds quite well... alas, against the original 5D and NEX-5N. Even its often blamed JPG engine is not so hopeless as believed.

NX100 w/ various Nikkor manual lenses
https://picasaweb.google.com/107634715157732050217/SpringFlowersAbstractMacro

or w/ the 20-50 kit lens
https://picasaweb.google.com/104896643939448365565/OurVeryBestSwissFall

Surely i'd like a full-frame not larger than the NX200, w/ cleaner higher ISO and 1K+ shots per charge... but meanwhile i use all my glass on the NX100 and work w/ its limitations. Samsung's roadmap would only be of concern if i were to invest in their glass, which despite the promise, i can't commit. So i keep buying canikon glass and use it on NX and other CSC's via adapters.

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