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Y'all say, it's too expensive. If they first pictures come out amazing, everyone will quickly forget about $2800, sell some of your other gear, and pick one up. I ate $650 RX100 price couple months ago, and just hoping that the pictures from RX1 do not look that great. Because if they are, I will be very very weak..
Amateur Sony Shooter said:
That's th price quoted by SAR. Way too rich for me.
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that depends on the type of AF and how quick AF will be.
Timothy S Broadley said:
If you are into street photography, this may be the camera for you

The only other camera are the SIGMA Merrill and the ultra leica. Both of these are in the $1500-2000 range and are APS-C I think

Tim
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Well said! Couldn't agree more with you. Sony should show something different to open new market.
Wellington100 said:
Sony are showing the rest of the camera makers that they should be building larger sensor compacts using Sony sensors. They are trying to shift the paradigm here in order to sell more of their high end sensors.

The competition can't fail to notice how many of the very expensive RX100 Sony has been selling on Amazon compared to cheaper alternatives with smaller sensors. Imagine if the RX1 outsells the D800. Sony are putting the whole market under pressure with these cameras. I would never be in the market for a D800 but this is pretty tempting. Its all the high IQ and low light camera I could possibly need for the next 10 years. My little Fuji F300 does well enough for my mundane everyday needs.

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I had been asking for a > 1/1.7" sensor pocket camera with zoom & built-in flash. Lots of people argued that it was impossible, and Sony comes out with the RX100, exactly what I wanted.

I was also asking for a full-frame, fast fixed lens, pocketable camera like the Minox 35GT. Lots of people argued that it was impossible, forgetting that the Minox was a full-frame camera, with lots of room where the left and right spools are for today's electronics.

Come on Sony, prove me right.

And I agree, after seeing the Canon mirrorless, I have also come to the conclusion that Canon has become a stale company incapable of thinking outside the box.
 
That makes so much sense, thank you. Just like porn stars advertise their good/services on videos to make money on the road, I get it now. : )
mrtaufik said:
Well said! Couldn't agree more with you. Sony should show something different to open new market.
Wellington100 said:
Sony are showing the rest of the camera makers that they should be building larger sensor compacts using Sony sensors. They are trying to shift the paradigm here in order to sell more of their high end sensors.

The competition can't fail to notice how many of the very expensive RX100 Sony has been selling on Amazon compared to cheaper alternatives with smaller sensors. Imagine if the RX1 outsells the D800. Sony are putting the whole market under pressure with these cameras. I would never be in the market for a D800 but this is pretty tempting. Its all the high IQ and low light camera I could possibly need for the next 10 years. My little Fuji F300 does well enough for my mundane everyday needs.

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S100fs, S6500, S5, F300, D40, EX1, EPM1
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The Skipper said:
I was also asking for a full-frame, fast fixed lens, pocketable camera like the Minox 35GT. Lots of people argued that it was impossible, forgetting that the Minox was a full-frame camera, with lots of room where the left and right spools are for today's electronics.
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"Impossible" and, if it were, "no one will buy it." Looks like it is possible and I, for one, will buy it.
The Skipper said:
Come on Sony, prove me right.
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The RX1-F will have a full-frame MOS sensor with 22-MP. It will come with mounting threads for a lens adaptor tube on the housing and a new, high-grade 2.2X telextender will be issued with it. The actual price for the basic camera, which will have a 24mm to 140mm fixed Zeiss lens, will be $1,200. The adaptor will cost $40. and the telex will be $250 (could be used for many other cameras).

If you want more effective zoom, the Smart Zoom 11-MP mode will give about 210mm and the 5.5-MP mode, 280mm. With the 2.2X telex, this would be 616mm. Or, you could crop it later without using Smart Zoom, for much of the same effect. With this full-frame, high-quality sensor, you could even use the 5.5-MP SZ mode, plus the telex and also crop it, to get the equivalent of 1,232mm, with very decent results.

With a twist of the wrist, the telex and adaptor comes off and it's again a pocket camera (larger pocket). It will have the best versatility and quality through a wide range for close and distant subjects, that no D-SLR could match at anything close to its size or price. Of course, it will also have an optical VF, a hotshoe for flash and external mike. There'll be full adjustments for aperture, shutter-speed and exposure for the 60p video and a choice of auto control or by using mechanical control rings for both photo and video.

Sony, even more than most manufacturers, is in a crisis and fighting for survival. This camera is designed to let them close in for the kill, over their meeker and less innovative competitors. The features Panasonic has on its new cameras and those that were left off of the RX100, will be on this one.

As I predicted two months ago, by late November, the RX100 will be on a closeout sale at half-price. Who doubts that I'm much more right than wrong about all these things?
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Stephen, if the camera you describe ever makes it to market....and at the price you mentioned ($1200), it would be THE Holy Grail of pocketcams...period, end of story. That's why it is highly unlikely it'll be happen. Who WOULDN'T buy it?! By the way, do you have a source for your prognostication?
 
Stephen McDonald said:
The RX1-F will have a full-frame MOS sensor with 22-MP. It will come with mounting threads for a lens adaptor tube on the housing and a new, high-grade 2.2X telextender will be issued with it. The actual price for the basic camera, which will have a 24mm to 140mm fixed Zeiss lens, will be $1,200. The adaptor will cost $40. and the telex will be $250 (could be used for many other cameras).

If you want more effective zoom, the Smart Zoom 11-MP mode will give about 210mm and the 5.5-MP mode, 280mm. With the 2.2X telex, this would be 616mm. Or, you could crop it later without using Smart Zoom, for much of the same effect. With this full-frame, high-quality sensor, you could even use the 5.5-MP SZ mode, plus the telex and also crop it, to get the equivalent of 1,232mm, with very decent results.

With a twist of the wrist, the telex and adaptor comes off and it's again a pocket camera (larger pocket). It will have the best versatility and quality through a wide range for close and distant subjects, that no D-SLR could match at anything close to its size or price. Of course, it will also have an optical VF, a hotshoe for flash and external mike. There'll be full adjustments for aperture, shutter-speed and exposure for the 60p video and a choice of auto control or by using mechanical control rings for both photo and video.

Sony, even more than most manufacturers, is in a crisis and fighting for survival. This camera is designed to let them close in for the kill, over their meeker and less innovative competitors. The features Panasonic has on its new cameras and those that were left off of the RX100, will be on this one.

As I predicted two months ago, by late November, the RX100 will be on a closeout sale at half-price. Who doubts that I'm much more right than wrong about all these things?
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Hi Steve,

There seem to be a big differences mentioned here as far as fixed lens, VF and pricing.
Fixed lens 35mm? You're saying 24-140mm.
$2790/$3000? You're saying $1200.

If your details are correct this camera will sell like the proverbial hot cakes!!
Hope you're right! ;)
Cheers
Ben

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theranman said:
Stephen, if the camera you describe ever makes it to market....and at the price you mentioned ($1200), it would be THE Holy Grail of pocketcams...period, end of story. That's why it is highly unlikely it'll be happen. Who WOULDN'T buy it?! By the way, do you have a source for your prognostication?
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I would bet on him being a troll.
 
theranman said:
Stephen, if the camera you describe ever makes it to market....and at the price you mentioned ($1200), it would be THE Holy Grail of pocketcams...period, end of story. That's why it is highly unlikely it'll be happen. Who WOULDN'T buy it?! By the way, do you have a source for your prognostication?
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Even if this camera didn't make much profit for Sony at that price, it could still play a key factor in their survival. It could establish them as the true leader in high-grade, small and mid-priced cameras. This could lead to better business success for them later.

A source? This is the camera I have designed in my head and am offering to Sony. At the same time, I think that they will produce one much like this.

This is a first for me, having someone call me a troll on what for many years, was my home forum.
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Stephen McDonald said:
A source? This is the camera I have designed in my head and am offering to Sony. At the same time, I think that they will produce one much like this.

This is a first for me, having someone call me a troll on what for many years, was my home forum.
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You're welcome!
 
I don't think the RX1 will fit in most pockets...
The Skipper said:
I had been asking for a > 1/1.7" sensor pocket camera with zoom & built-in flash. Lots of people argued that it was impossible, and Sony comes out with the RX100, exactly what I wanted.

I was also asking for a full-frame, fast fixed lens, pocketable camera like the Minox 35GT. Lots of people argued that it was impossible, forgetting that the Minox was a full-frame camera, with lots of room where the left and right spools are for today's electronics.

Come on Sony, prove me right.

And I agree, after seeing the Canon mirrorless, I have also come to the conclusion that Canon has become a stale company incapable of thinking outside the box.
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Is that a rear control dial on the right side of the top plate image?

The $2800 price is $500 more than a NEX7 + 24/1.8. Sounds like a reasonable price increment, although the EVF is not included with the former.
 
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