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my questions regarding flash (sb80dx-d100) photography.

these are my observations and id like to ask the group for added insights with problems that i have encountered.

exposure compensation:

if we are to shoot in aperture mode, adding exposure compensation would slow down the shutter speed (without flash). if you turn on the sb80dx it automatically sets to 1/60, then if you compensate by 2 stops, it is technically suppose to make your shutter speed to 1/15. why then don't i get enough ambient light in my shot as compared to shooting manual mode with 1/15? i noticed that i tend to get a blown out subject instead of good exposed subject with good ambient light.

exposure compensation in all modes?

if without flash, the exposure cmpensation doesn't affect the settings in manual mode. why then is the exposure affected when i use exposure compensation in manual mode with the sb80dx turned on?

does this mean that the exposure compensation is flash compensation when the sb80dx is turned on? that it doesn't work with the way that it is suppose to work: compensate shutter or aperture?

flash distance vs. flash compensation:

i have noticed that these two properties are quite inversely proportional. if we add flash power, the distance is suppose to increase. if we lessen, the distance is suppose to decrease. why is it the other way around? try it and you'll notice it.

adjusting iso:

i tried adjusting the iso for 3 shots, 200, 800, 1600. the 1600 looks very overxposed, subject quite blown. isn't it that the flash should know that i am using 1600 and know how much light burst the camera needs? if not then why is it called DTTL?

dttl and underexposure:

i find the dttl to be really faulty. the dttl is suppose to bring out the ambient light. why doesn't it do this? does adjusting the levels of d100 through NC3 help improve dttl? or upgrading the software version?

magenta cast:

i have noticed that doing 2 shots continuously gives me a magenta cast on the second shot. i tried to adjust the white balance to flash instead of auto thinking that there is a faulty communication when the flash is recharging but the result is still the same. does this have to do with the fact that sb80dx is quite slow in recharging and the magenta cast is attributed to a 'not fully charged sb80dx' before exposure? someone told me that sb28dx is better because the recycling time is fast.

disabling the preflash:

i noticed that the custom setting 23 doesn't work on the sb80dx. at dttl, the monitor preflash functions correctly. at manual mode, the preflash is suppose to be disabled and the flash is expected to output at full power. this only happens with the built in flash. with the sb80dx attached, manual flash mode still functions as dttl. why? is there a way to fix this?

it's quite a long list of questions. i hope someone will be able to enlighten me and other users of this setup too - d100 and sb80dx.

thanks.

David
 
my questions regarding flash (sb80dx-d100) photography.
It took by a 300+ page book to describe the nuances of Nikon flash, but I'll take a quick stab at your questions. However, the level of question indicates to me that you need some more exposure to how flash works and how you control it. Whether that's my book or something else, you've got a lot of learning ahead of you. ; )
if we are to shoot in aperture mode, adding exposure compensation
would slow down the shutter speed (without flash). if you turn on
the sb80dx it automatically sets to 1/60
Uh, no. It automatically sets the proper shutter speed UNLESS that shutter speed would be slower than 1/60, in which case it sets 1/60 in the (in my opinion misguided) attempt to give you a sharp shot rather than a properly exposed one.
, then if you compensate by
2 stops, it is technically suppose to make your shutter speed to
1/15. why then don't i get enough ambient light in my shot as
compared to shooting manual mode with 1/15? i noticed that i tend
to get a blown out subject instead of good exposed subject with
good ambient light.
There are many things going on here. When you shoot with flash, there are TWO exposures: ambient (background) and subject (foreground). Both must be correct for the result to look correct. Moreover, I suspect you're in the default balanced fill-flash modes, which complicate everything, since they use exposure and flash exposure compensations that will be unknown to you and vary with every situation.
if without flash, the exposure cmpensation doesn't affect the
settings in manual mode. why then is the exposure affected when i
use exposure compensation in manual mode with the sb80dx turned on?
Do you see the exposure change, or are you just seeing the exposure compensation indicator in the viewfinder. If the latter, it comes on when any time of exposure compensation is set.
does this mean that the exposure compensation is flash compensation
when the sb80dx is turned on? that it doesn't work with the way
that it is suppose to work: compensate shutter or aperture?
Flash exposure compensation varies the output of the flash.
flash distance vs. flash compensation:

i have noticed that these two properties are quite inversely
proportional. if we add flash power, the distance is suppose to
increase. if we lessen, the distance is suppose to decrease. why
is it the other way around? try it and you'll notice it.
APERTURE = GN / DISTANCE. If the aperture stays the same, increasing power must decrease the distance if you want the exposure to be correct.
i tried adjusting the iso for 3 shots, 200, 800, 1600. the 1600
looks very overxposed, subject quite blown. isn't it that the
flash should know that i am using 1600 and know how much light
burst the camera needs? if not then why is it called DTTL?
It very well could be that you're too close. Let's say the flash was set to a zoom setting of 35mm, the lens at f/2, and the ISO to 200. Anything less than 7.8 feet away from you would be overexposed. But as you increase ISO value, that minimum distance increases (by 1.4x per stop; my calculations say that's 21+ feet at ISO 1600).
i find the dttl to be really faulty. the dttl is suppose to bring
out the ambient light. why doesn't it do this?
Probably because you have the camera set so that it can't get a proper ambient exposure. Search through this list for flash advice and see that I've written about the perils of Program mode (restricts apertures and shutter speeds) and even Aperture mode (restricts shutter speeds unless Slow Sync set) hundreds of times.
does adjusting the
levels of d100 through NC3 help improve dttl? or upgrading the
software version?
No. Get it right in the camera.
magenta cast:
i have noticed that doing 2 shots continuously gives me a magenta
cast on the second shot. i tried to adjust the white balance to
flash instead of auto thinking that there is a faulty communication
when the flash is recharging but the result is still the same.
does this have to do with the fact that sb80dx is quite slow in
recharging and the magenta cast is attributed to a 'not fully
charged sb80dx' before exposure?
Possibly. The light balance between ambient and flash would be different, for sure.
someone told me that sb28dx is
better because the recycling time is fast.
Not by that much.
disabling the preflash:

i noticed that the custom setting 23 doesn't work on the sb80dx.
Correct.
at dttl, the monitor preflash functions correctly. at manual mode,
the preflash is suppose to be disabled and the flash is expected to
output at full power. this only happens with the built in flash.
with the sb80dx attached, manual flash mode still functions as
dttl. why? is there a way to fix this?
Yes. Put the SB-80DX in Manual flash mode!

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
Thom....
we should have to pay for info like this
YES.... i already own BOTH your book on the D100 and the SB80DX
but this kind of knowledge and insight... you should have a "D100 walking tour"

we could pay money to use OUR OWN cameras and lenses and just follow you around somewhere and shoot pictures that you suggest for us,
learning more on the spot

of course you'd have to take a valium to be able to put up with a bunch of sad folks following you around with their 5K plus setups.

i, for one, applaud your helpfulness on this site and hope that others are ALL BUYING YOUR BOOKS so that you can make a living.

greg
 

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