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Hi everyone. Recently i ve decided to buy a new wide angle lens to replace my kit's 18-55.

I am not planning to spend more than 400-450 euros and i will use the new lens just for landscape photography. I have a lot of things in mind and a lot of lenses in mind again. I was planning about buying a used 16-45 lens but i think that i will need sth wider. I am considering tamron 10-24 but i have read that wide open is not sharp enough.Also Sigma 10-20 i think it has the same issues and there is no filter thread.
And lastly i am considering samyang 14mm for pentax but again no filter thread.
Do i have any other choices?
Please help!!!
 
thegreat26 said:
I am not planning to spend more than 400-450 euros and i will use the new lens just for landscape photography. I have a lot of things in mind and a lot of lenses in mind again. I was planning about buying a used 16-45 lens but i think that i will need sth wider. I am considering tamron 10-24 but i have read that wide open is not sharp enough.
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thegreat26 said:
Also Sigma 10-20 i think it has the same issues and there is no filter thread.
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I think you're getting confused. There are two Sigma 10-20 UWA zooms and both take filters: the older f/4-5.6 takes 77mm filters while the newer f/3.5 takes (very expensive) 82mm filters. Both are better optically than the Tamron 10-24 according to most reviews; the older version is optically better than the newer version and is the cheapest of the three - in the UK, at least.

There is also the Sigma 8-16/4.5-5.6. This is optically the best of the lot; less expensive than the newer 10-20 but more expensive than the others. This is the one that doesn't take filters, although I've never found that to be a problem.
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1) If you're shooting landscapes, why would you care about wide open sharpness?

2) Sharp enough for what? OK, so a given lens is X% softer wide open than at f/8 or whatever. So? How big would have to print, and how closely would you need to examine the print, to notice?

3) If you're considering a prime like the Samyang 14, the DA15 should be on the list too. Easily sharper than the zooms overall, plus legendary flare resistance and other nice attributes.

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I've read similar things about the Tamron 10-24, e.g. the photozone review:

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/466-tamron_1024_3545_nikon?start=1

and the one on this site

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/tamron_10-24_3p5-5p6_n15
  • both come to a similar conclusion, i.e. the corners at maximum aperture are poor. But as it says in the dpreview test...
'The 10-24mm is therefore best shot stopped down to at least F5.6 whenever possible; however as it's the kind of lens you'll probably be shooting at F8 anyway, this isn't really a significant problem in actual use.'

I use my widest-angle lens (16-45) in low light, often in cathedrals and old churches at or close to the maximum aperture - so I was put off the Tamron because of the soft corners wide open. But for your purposes - exclusively landscape - if you stick to f/8 or f/11 the corner softness goes and the lens performs fine.

The other obvious alternatives are

(i) a Sigma 10-20 (the f/4 - f/5.6 version which is regarded as optically better than the more recent f/3.5 version). It seems to be a bit more expensive in the UK (£429 for Sigma vs. £349 for Tamron at Warehouse Express)

(ii) a used DA15. I was watching one on ebay earlier today and it went for £355 UK... just within your range.

For landscape shooting at f/8 - f/11 I'd have no concerns about the Tamron: under these conditions it seems to be very good.

Best wishes
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Thank you all for your replies. i have till my next payment to decide but i think i m going for a used sigma 10-20.
 
thegreat26 said:
Hi everyone. Recently i ve decided to buy a new wide angle lens to replace my kit's 18-55.

I am not planning to spend more than 400-450 euros and i will use the new lens just for landscape photography. I have a lot of things in mind and a lot of lenses in mind again. I was planning about buying a used 16-45 lens but i think that i will need sth wider. I am considering tamron 10-24 but i have read that wide open is not sharp enough.Also Sigma 10-20 i think it has the same issues and there is no filter thread.
And lastly i am considering samyang 14mm for pentax but again no filter thread.
Do i have any other choices?
Please help!!!
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Zenitar 16mm.
I doubt if it is available bland new now.

Daniel, Toronto
http://www.pbase.com/danieltong
 
thegreat26 said:
Thank you all for your replies. i have till my next payment to decide but i think i m going for a used sigma 10-20.
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I went that route, and I'm really pleased with it.
 
Daniel that seems interesting. Is this k or m42 mount. Filter thread?
 
thegreat26 said:
Daniel that seems interesting. Is this k or m42 mount. Filter thread?
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M42 will be difficult to find. No filter thread unless with modification like with this DIY set up (filter adapter)

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=35617593

Do not get intimidated that it is a manual focus lens. A lot of time I use zone focus: you can just fire at all without focusing at all and you get sharp images

Daniel, Toronto
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But i thing this is fisheye lens right? I saw samples but the fish eye effect is not as obvious as in other lens. I guess i ll have to google it more. As for the manual focus this is not an issue.
 
thegreat26 said:
But i thing this is fisheye lens right? I saw samples but the fish eye effect is not as obvious as in other lens. I guess i ll have to google it more. As for the manual focus this is not an issue.
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Samyang 14mm f2.8, rectilinear and manual focus, around US $350 on ebay, ~ €285

http://www.lenstip.com/index.php?test=obiektywu&test_ob=239

Pros:
  • decent build quality,
  • sensational image quality in the frame centre,
  • very good image quality at the edge of an APS-C/DX sensor,
  • fully acceptable image resolution at the edge of full frame,
  • chromatic aberration medium at most,
  • well-corrected coma,
  • properly corrected vignetting on a small sensor,
  • negligible astigmatism,
  • excellent price/quality ratio.
Cons:
  • high and complicated distortion,
  • significant vignetting on full frame,
  • you can’t use any filters.
Thank you
Russell
 
You might also consider the Pentax-F 17-28mm f3.5 Fisheye lens if you can find one.
The following was written for FF cameras. Copy and paste the following

stans-photography.info/LongComments.html#17-28 mm f/ 3.5-4.5 AF

I have figured out how to increase the hood slightly for use on APS-C cameras. Can also use filters.
Cheers.

Ron

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brandrx said:
You might also consider the Pentax-F 17-28mm f3.5 Fisheye lens if you can find one.
The following was written for FF cameras. Copy and paste the following

stans-photography.info/LongComments.html#17-28 mm f/ 3.5-4.5 AF

I have figured out how to increase the hood slightly for use on APS-C cameras. Can also use filters.
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You can use Cokin A or Cokin P filters with a 49mm Cokin adapter as well by screwing in the adapter into the build in hood. You probably can use the Cokin A255 hood with the set up, I just don't have one to try.

Thank you
Russell
 
thegreat26 said:
Thank you all for your replies. i have till my next payment to decide but i think i m going for a used sigma 10-20.
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You won't be disappointed with your choice. the Sigma 10 - 20 is one of my favorite lenses.

Peteo
 
Omg it's really to hard to find anything that fits k mount here in cyprus. With transportation the cost is about 460 euros.
I hope i will see improvent over my kit lenses.
Is this price ok for sigma 10-20 mm older version?











 
Converting 460 Euros to US, about US $578. Price at B&H in New York City for the Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 is US $479.00. 20% VAT for $479 would be US $95.80. Total for lens and tax would be US $574.80. The 460 Euro price passes my test, especially with delivery.

Thank you
Russell
 
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