NOISE PROBLEMS? Try "Neat Image" and C-5050 becomes the best digicam ever !!!!

Martin120193 · Jan 20, 2003

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Willa · Jan 20, 2003

I like Neat Image, OK, but I don't find it particularly user friendly. I use it once it a while. Many people, like yourself really like it. The software support is pretty good.

Willa
http://www.pbase.com/willa

Inigo Montoya · Jan 20, 2003

When the first talk about noise and the 5050 came out, I took someone's sample 5050 image and ran it through Neat Image.

The results can be seen here:

http://www.pbase.com/inigmntoya/neat_image

Better results can probably be obtained by gaining a deeper understanding of the tool's finer points. This was pretty quick and dirty.

Martin120193 · Jan 21, 2003

Martin_DD said:
Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

The results are excellent, however, you need to understand the soft to get them. But if you run the demo, do not adjust anything, just select the noise area and apply the filter....and see the output pic !!! You will be stunned! Not only that it is absolutely clean of noise but it preserves and ALL THE DETAILS !!!! WOW!!!

Alan

Inigo Montoya · Jan 21, 2003

If as you said, you can run the demo and not adjust any options and get "WOW" results, then I would say you don't need to understand the software to get excellent results.

Martin_DD said:
The results are excellent, however, you need to understand the soft
to get them. But if you run the demo, do not adjust anything, just
select the noise area and apply the filter....and see the output
pic !!! You will be stunned! Not only that it is absolutely clean
of noise but it preserves and ALL THE DETAILS !!!! WOW!!!

Dave Knadler · Jan 21, 2003

Seems like it needs large areas of featureless noise to sample effectively, and that whole business of building a "profile" is way too arcane for me. I've had good luck with a couple images, but it's kind of hit and miss. I'd like to see some interface improvements.

Willa said:
I like Neat Image, OK, but I don't find it particularly user
friendly. I use it once it a while. Many people, like yourself
really like it. The software support is pretty good.

Willa
http://www.pbase.com/willa

--
http://www.pbase.com/davek/

Inigo Montoya · Jan 21, 2003

Different cameras exhibit different kinds/patterns of noise hence the need to profile or "train" NeatImage on the kind you have in a particular image.

As you mentioned, sometimes the image you need to fix doesn't have large areas of featureless noise. One way around that is when taking shots you figure will likely need to be processed for noise -- long exposures, low light, high ISO, etc. ... take an extra shot of something in the vicinity that is "large and featureless". Sort of like taking a dark frame for hot pixel removal. You can then load your "noise frame" into NeatImage, profile it, and save the profile so you can use it with your other images from the same session. In a pinch, you can just find an old image (from the same camera of course) that's "similar" for your profile source and it should still work pretty well.

Dave Knadler said:
Willa said:

I like Neat Image, OK, but I don't find it particularly user
friendly. I use it once it a while. Many people, like yourself
really like it. The software support is pretty good.

Willa
http://www.pbase.com/willa

Click to expand...

--
http://www.pbase.com/davek/

Dave Knadler · Jan 21, 2003

I'll give that a try. Thx

Inigo Montoya said:
As you mentioned, sometimes the image you need to fix doesn't have
large areas of featureless noise. One way around that is when
taking shots you figure will likely need to be processed for noise
-- long exposures, low light, high ISO, etc. ... take an extra shot
of something in the vicinity that is "large and featureless". Sort
of like taking a dark frame for hot pixel removal. You can then
load your "noise frame" into NeatImage, profile it, and save the
profile so you can use it with your other images from the same
session. In a pinch, you can just find an old image (from the same
camera of course) that's "similar" for your profile source and it
should still work pretty well.

http://www.pbase.com/davek/

PoiSoN · Jan 21, 2003

Hey,

I have the software, but I can't manage to make a best profile (settings) for my pictures. What profiles are you using?

Thanks in adavance,
David.

--
'Olympus Camedia C-5050Z' Support Group - http://www.oly5050.tk

Martin_DD said:
Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

The results are excellent, however, you need to understand the soft
to get them. But if you run the demo, do not adjust anything, just
select the noise area and apply the filter....and see the output
pic !!! You will be stunned! Not only that it is absolutely clean
of noise but it preserves and ALL THE DETAILS !!!! WOW!!!

Alan

steve6 · Jan 21, 2003

Martin_DD said:
Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Inigo Montoya · Jan 21, 2003

steve6 said:
I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

What special feature/steps do you use in PSP7?

I'd be interested in seeing the PSP7 results for this example:

http://www.pbase.com/inigmntoya/neat_image

Martin120193 · Jan 21, 2003

Ok,would you please tell me HOW to effectively remove the noise in Photoshop ???

Martin

steve6 said:
Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

--
Martin DD

Infinus · Jan 21, 2003

Go here:

http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop. Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:
Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Ian Yates · Jan 21, 2003

I agree!
NeatImage leaves atifacts.

Infinus said:
http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

--

C2100UZ, D600L and that 1.45x teleconverter lens(fits both cameras) Sharp VE-CG40, Kenko 3X, DSP9000, PBase Supporter, dpreview supporter.

PoiSoN · Jan 22, 2003

Hello Mike,

Great actions over here, thanks a lot!!

--
'Olympus Camedia C-5050Z' Support Group - http://www.oly5050.tk

Infinus said:
http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

Infinus · Jan 22, 2003

No problem.

I've been using them a lot recently. Only problem I have is I have an asus p3b-f motherboard in my computer which HATES photoshop. Locks my computer up everytime I run it. I have a new one coming any day now which should fix the problem. One of those things were Adobe says its Asus' fault, Asus doesn't acknowledge the problem, so no one fixed it. Something about a bug on the Asus memory bus which causes Photoshop to hang during memory transfers.

Sigh, anyways, I've been running photoshop on my 300mhz laptop for the last 2 weeks while finding an alternative motherboard.

Anyday now.....
Mike

PoiSoN said:
Great actions over here, thanks a lot!!

--
'Olympus Camedia C-5050Z' Support Group - http://www.oly5050.tk

Infinus said:

http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Martin120193 · Jan 22, 2003

Hi Mike,

Thankx for the cool link !! I downloaded it but I don´t really understant how to install it into Photoshop.. would you please hlep me? By the way, the Deluxe tolbox seems to be too small in size... does it really filter the noise out ???

Martin

Infinus said:
http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

steve6 · Jan 22, 2003

Martin_DD said:
Thankx for the cool link !! I downloaded it but I don´t really
understant how to install it into Photoshop.. would you please hlep
me? By the way, the Deluxe tolbox seems to be too small in size...
does it really filter the noise out ???

Martin

Infinus said:

http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

--

In PSP7 I use EFFECTS, NOISE, EDGE PRESERVING SMOOTH. Play with the settings. Unsharp mask afterwards also helps.

I do find all these noise reduction techniques lose detail but the general appearance is better.

Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Infinus · Jan 22, 2003

Martin,

The toolbox is about 29kb in size. Remember that photoshop is actually the program doing the work. All the actions are is a list of commands that photoshop runs. In other words, if you knew all the commands you could run them yourself without installing the action. The action simply makes it easier and faster. To install them you want to go to your Adobe directory. Under there go to Photoshop X (the X being whatever version you have). So for me I go under Photoshop 7.0\Presets\Photoshop Actions. You will find in this directory other files with the ending .atn. Copy the digital_deluxe.atn into this directory. Then in photoshop you want to go to the action menu and you will be able to choose the option Load Action. After loading the action the Digital Tool box will be listed under your known actions. You can then expand it and run the desired tool you want to use. If you do some research into it you can also assign a Function key so that the push of a button runs the tool. I have mine assigned to F11. Let me know that you figure it out.

Mike

Martin_DD said:
Thankx for the cool link !! I downloaded it but I don´t really
understant how to install it into Photoshop.. would you please hlep
me? By the way, the Deluxe tolbox seems to be too small in size...
does it really filter the noise out ???

Martin

Infinus said:

http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

Martin_DD said:

Martin

steve6 said:

Martin_DD said:

Hello friends,

I used to be concerned about noise as much as you till I found
absolutely stunning soft - some of you already know about it, I
know, but those who don´t go to http://www.neatimage.com , download the
demo for free and try it ! I ´m not going to say anything more till
you try... ;-) Well, I just have to say that this will definitely
make C-5050 best digicam ever concerning the noise level. I ´m not
exaggerating, you ´ll see.

Slo is the noise an issue now to be taken into account when buying
a new digicam ? Not at all for me.

p.s. do not worry - I ´m not anyhow connected with the Neat Image
producers or sellers....

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

I'm not too impressed myself, far too slow and I can do same in
PSP7 and much quicker.

--
Steve
Olympus C730UZ
http://community.webshots.com/user/steve636
http://www.stanley36.freeserve.co.uk

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Martin DD

Brian D. Schneider · Jan 22, 2003

Infinus said:
http://www.2morrow.dk/75ppi/coolpix/actions/

and grab the digital delux toolbox action pack for Photo Shop.
Whenever I do noise removal I usually run the standard, and mid iso
noise removal. I'd compare the results I get through this to Neat
Image any day, and IMO it's a lot less work seeing as you just hit
a button and it goes. Lets you do your work on full size TIFF
files and such with no restriction on what format you can then save
in. Only requirement is that you start out with a single layer
image.

Mike

--That works great on iso 400 images, thanks for the tip.
Brian Schneider

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