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highwave said:
GodSpeaks said:
highwave said:
If they add IBIS and goood JPEG engine I'm in
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IBIS is unlikely, as Panasonic supports in lens stabilization. As for a good jpg engine... shoot raw.

What I would like to see Panasonic add is Peaking.
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Not absolutely unlikely. They already have a patent for it. And sooner or later they do have to admit IBIS gives an advantage they cannot dismiss. Either that or continue loosing market share to Oly. Either way fine by me.
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Yes they have the patent, but I think we don't see it on Micro 4/3 on Panasonic Lumix cameras, they will keep OIS with new versions. But ok, who knows, naybe they include it on this GX2 camera.
highwave said:
And not everyone wants to use RAW. At least not exclusively. If a camera can give me decent JPEG I will use it. And save RAW for tricky situations.
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I agree not every one uses only RAW, I use JPEG a lot, and RAW for those tricky light situations.
highwave said:
ANd Ditto on the Peaking function. That's sort of a must at this stage.
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Panasonic have got four lines of Micro Four Thirds cameras:

GH: The premium, top line, for low volume sales. With grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

G: Entry level cameras with grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

GF1, GX: Cameras without grip, but with some advanced features like PASM dial, hotshoe and some more direct buttons.

GF2-GF5: As compact as possible, for people who prefer few buttons and don't care about a hotshoe.

Out of these four lines, two have built in EVF. I doubt that they will introduce built in EVFs in one more of these lines, for a total of three out of four.

Consider the competition: Most of their camera models do not have built in EVF. So why would Panasonic introduce this for a majority of their M4/3 cameras?

The G and GH lines are for people who prefer built in EVFs.

A lot of people are happy using cameras with only LCD viewfinders, according to my experience.

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/
 
Fredrik Glckner said:
Panasonic have got four lines of Micro Four Thirds cameras:

GH: The premium, top line, for low volume sales. With grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

G: Entry level cameras with grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

GF1, GX: Cameras without grip, but with some advanced features like PASM dial, hotshoe and some more direct buttons.

GF2-GF5: As compact as possible, for people who prefer few buttons and don't care about a hotshoe.

Out of these four lines, two have built in EVF. I doubt that they will introduce built in EVFs in one more of these lines, for a total of three out of four.

Consider the competition: Most of their camera models do not have built in EVF. So why would Panasonic introduce this for a majority of their M4/3 cameras?

The G and GH lines are for people who prefer built in EVFs.

A lot of people are happy using cameras with only LCD viewfinders, according to my experience.

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/
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I understand the logic, but people are always asking for a range finder style with built in EVF, maybe it is the reason why Panasonic Lumix are thinking on a camera like the mentioned on the rumor.

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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.
 
Aleo Veuliah said:
highwave said:
GodSpeaks said:
highwave said:
If they add IBIS and goood JPEG engine I'm in
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IBIS is unlikely, as Panasonic supports in lens stabilization. As for a good jpg engine... shoot raw.

What I would like to see Panasonic add is Peaking.
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I agree not every one uses only RAW, I use JPEG a lot, and RAW for those tricky light situations.
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I never imagined you to be a JPEG user. Especially with your work with colors.

I think I should start using RAW more often myself. It's just that I feel lazy to do so and I'm afraid of getting obsessed over fine tuning pictures.
 
A lot of people are happy using only 'LCD viewfinders' (ambiguous but you mean rear screens I assume) ...true, but a lot of people are happy using camera phones also.

Most of the competition do not have an EVF. Technically you could say true but misleading. I suggest most of the competition currently have an OVF as they are DSLRs. Most people buying into m43 consider DSLRs in their alternatives, so they are valid competitors. Until the GF1 Panasonic was EVF models only and for a long time Olympus cameras shunned EVFs altogether.

Panasonic is catering to a specific market and does not have to follow some perceived industry norm- which I suggest is not correct anyway!

If Panasonic did simply follow we would not have m4/3. But consider most of competitors to m4/3 have a range of interchangeable lens cameras where the vast majority of the models have viewfinders. The competitors have mirrorless AND DSLR, whereas Panasonic has mirrorless only to satisfy the entire market.

So 3/4 of the range with a view finder? Could make sense and certainly is more in line with the competition than 50% of models with no viewfinder. Not that they need to mirror the competition anyway.
Fredrik Glckner said:
Panasonic have got four lines of Micro Four Thirds cameras:

GH: The premium, top line, for low volume sales. With grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

G: Entry level cameras with grip, articulated LCD and EVF.

GF1, GX: Cameras without grip, but with some advanced features like PASM dial, hotshoe and some more direct buttons.

GF2-GF5: As compact as possible, for people who prefer few buttons and don't care about a hotshoe.

Out of these four lines, two have built in EVF. I doubt that they will introduce built in EVFs in one more of these lines, for a total of three out of four.

Consider the competition: Most of their camera models do not have built in EVF. So why would Panasonic introduce this for a majority of their M4/3 cameras?

The G and GH lines are for people who prefer built in EVFs.

A lot of people are happy using cameras with only LCD viewfinders, according to my experience.

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/
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The patent shows they are thinking about such a camera. Can;t file a patent without at least thinking about it!

That does not mean it will be a GX though, and sometimes some areas of a Patent are to stop others working around you and claiming it is different rather than for your own product.

Thinking about it and bringing both features to market at once are not the same. It is a big leap from 'a patent is filed' to 'all the features in the patent will be in the next GX'.

Be nice if it was true! But a lot of guess work still.
Aleo Veuliah said:
I think that if it is for Micro 4/3 it may have OIS and not IBIS, following the logic.
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not sure what you mean by that?
 
iano said:
A lot of people are happy using only 'LCD viewfinders' (ambiguous but you mean rear screens I assume) ...true, but a lot of people are happy using camera phones also.

Most of the competition do not have an EVF. Technically you could say true but misleading. I suggest most of the competition currently have an OVF as they are DSLRs. Most people buying into m43 consider DSLRs in their alternatives, so they are valid competitors. Until the GF1 Panasonic was EVF models only and for a long time Olympus cameras shunned EVFs altogether.

Panasonic is catering to a specific market and does not have to follow some perceived industry norm- which I suggest is not correct anyway!

If Panasonic did simply follow we would not have m4/3. But consider most of competitors to m4/3 have a range of interchangeable lens cameras where the vast majority of the models have viewfinders. The competitors have mirrorless AND DSLR, whereas Panasonic has mirrorless only to satisfy the entire market.

So 3/4 of the range with a view finder? Could make sense and certainly is more in line with the competition than 50% of models with no viewfinder. Not that they need to mirror the competition anyway.
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That is true. to me is very important to have a viewfinder of any kind, I was used to the SLR's and DSLR's, to look into the viewfinder, I think that for almost 100% of the situations the viewfinder is the best for doing photography. But that is my oppinion.

People who are new to photography and have begun with compacts were used to have an LCD only, maybe that people don't care so much about viewfinders.

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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.
 
iano said:
The patent shows they are thinking about such a camera. Can;t file a patent without at least thinking about it!

That does not mean it will be a GX though, and sometimes some areas of a Patent are to stop others working around you and claiming it is different rather than for your own product.

Thinking about it and bringing both features to market at once are not the same. It is a big leap from 'a patent is filed' to 'all the features in the patent will be in the next GX'.

Be nice if it was true! But a lot of guess work still.
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Yes it would be nice if true, I share your opinion, this can be for another camera and not for an GX2, besides they speak about IBIS on this camera, it is only rumor I know, but maybe Panasonic Lumix is thinking on a not Micro 4/3 camera on this patent.

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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.
 
Fredrik Glckner said:
Out of these four lines, two have built in EVF. I doubt that they will introduce built in EVFs in one more of these lines, for a total of three out of four.
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One main reason is that a LOT of people want a rangefinder styled camera and not a faux DSLR. And they want that rangefinder styled camera with a builtin EVF.

No one is saying that the GX line should be converted to completely be builtin EVF. Just one model in the GX lineup would suffice.

Of course, if that one model were to sell like hotcakes, then I am sure you would start to see more rangefinder styled models with builtin EVF.
Fredrik Glckner said:
Consider the competition: Most of their camera models do not have built in EVF. So why would Panasonic introduce this for a majority of their M4/3 cameras?
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What majority? Just one model.

Have you forgotten that both Nikon and Sony have a model with builtin EVF?
Fredrik Glckner said:
The G and GH lines are for people who prefer built in EVFs.
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Only if they also want a DSLR styled camera. What about those of us who want a rangefinder styled model? Are we SOL? Why? Because you say so?
Fredrik Glckner said:
A lot of people are happy using cameras with only LCD viewfinders, according to my experience.
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Maybe that's because many people have never used cameras with a builtin viewfinder.

And if you, or anyone else, is so adamant that they do not want an interchangeable lens camera with a builtin viewfinder and only an LCD, then there are models that suit your needs.

But what about the rest of us? Those of us who DO want a GX with a builtin EVF.

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GodSpeaks said:
But what about the rest of us? Those of us who DO want a GX with a builtin EVF.
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It definitely sounds appealing, but looking at my GX1, it seems it would require at least one of the following:

1. fewer control points;
2. smaller LCD;
3. no built-in flash;
4. bigger overall form factor.

It's tough for me to pick any of those. Which would you choose?
 
A GX2 with built-in EVF and weather sealing would make a killer travel camera. It would raise the GX2 above the G5, changing the line-up order to the following...

1. GH3 ..... EVF, weather sealing, articulating LCD
2. GX2 ..... EVF, weather sealing, fixed LCD
3. G5 ....... EVF, articulating LCD
4. GF5 ..... fixed LCD

That's much better model differentiation than we have now. And, their "X" designation on lenses indicates high-end, so it stands to reason that the same would apply to the cameras. That naming suggests that the GX series should be "above" the G series.

It could also be another camera for those fancy new weather sealed lenses.

If the GX2 had a mult-aspect sensor, that would be even more interesting.
 
IBIS means it has to have GH2 video engine inside.

Wow imagine 75 stabilized, 14-150 stabilized, 12 stabilized... the only concern is how they want us to buy - I mean I already know I want 35-100X for my GH2.

Can you ask your friend and ask what comes first: 35-100X or that GF1 real upgrade.

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I have the Fuji X-100 and dislike it for it's inability to attain focus reliably. The hybrid viewfinder is ok, but the EVF is better. Yes, the quality of the images is impressive, but I prefer my m4/3 equipment overall.
 
I have not seen any reason to upgrade my GF1 so far. An internal EV, a G5 sensor and an interesting kit lens would mean I would definitely buy a GX2, but will not get rid of my GF1.
 
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