R2D2
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For me too. The more I use it, the more I like it.
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650D: I'm starting to become seriously impressed
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R2D2
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That's an impressive list all right. And yes, I really like the touchscreen too.
Happy hunting,
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R2D2
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Nice photos Chromavis'. I couldn't agree with you more about the image quality coming out of this camera. I must sound like a fanboy here, but I've been in the business a long time, and I know a good thing when I see it. Enjoy your camera.
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Hi folks,
I just wanted to add that I've discovered that the 650D will AF with my Tamron 1.4x (non-reporting) teleconverter and 400 f5.6L lens in good light (effective aperture f/8).
Note: This combo on my 50D was a non-starter.
I haven't tested it with BIFs yet though. Here's a shot of a GBH out in the marsh. Definitely needed the extra reach here...
I still prefer shooting the straight 400 though. The 650D performs extremely well with these longer lenses. In fact, I've come to the conclusion (some 8500+ pics into it now) that the AF is at a level matching my (esteemed) 50D in both speed and accuracy, and I dare say that it seems even more consistent .
I'll post some more pics as I find time. In fact, I should probably begin a new thread by now.
Happy shooting all,
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I just wanted to add that I've discovered that the 650D will AF with my Tamron 1.4x (non-reporting) teleconverter and 400 f5.6L lens in good light (effective aperture f/8).
Note: This combo on my 50D was a non-starter.
I haven't tested it with BIFs yet though. Here's a shot of a GBH out in the marsh. Definitely needed the extra reach here...
I still prefer shooting the straight 400 though. The 650D performs extremely well with these longer lenses. In fact, I've come to the conclusion (some 8500+ pics into it now) that the AF is at a level matching my (esteemed) 50D in both speed and accuracy, and I dare say that it seems even more consistent .
I'll post some more pics as I find time. In fact, I should probably begin a new thread by now.
Happy shooting all,
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Corne Ferreira
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DSHAPK wrote:
You'll wear out the shutter next month.
if that happens ill cry while I walk to the store to by another one.8000+
PS R2D2 care to share some pointers for someone just starting out whit Birds. Thanks for sharing your photos. Im still on perched birds BIF still gets me. do you find the DR have improved from previous canons?
one of my efforts:.
You'll wear out the shutter next month.
if that happens ill cry while I walk to the store to by another one.8000+
PS R2D2 care to share some pointers for someone just starting out whit Birds. Thanks for sharing your photos. Im still on perched birds BIF still gets me. do you find the DR have improved from previous canons?
one of my efforts:.
I don't care for bird photographs. But this picture is awesome and a real beauty.
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DSHAPK wrote:
You'll wear out the shutter next month.
if that happens ill cry while I walk to the store to by another one.8000+
PS R2D2 care to share some pointers for someone just starting out whit Birds. Thanks for sharing your photos. Im still on perched birds BIF still gets me. do you find the DR have improved from previous canons?
one of my efforts:.
R2D2
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Thanks DSHAPK. The new camera has certainly reinvigorated my photography. Good enough reason alone to get one, in my book.
Happy shooting, (hope you got yours back!).
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R2D2
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LOL! Isn't that the truth?!
\#1 Shoot in good light. You'll get the best feather detail and it also helps to keep the shutter speed up. This'll keep the ISO at reasonable levels too, so you aren't robbed of detail (from the noise and subsequent noise reduction).
Fill the frame as much as possible with the bird.
Work on your AF technique. Shoot bursts.
For BIFs, keep your shutter speed at 1/2000 or higher. Practice tracking.
Here are a couple of previous threads with some great tips (follow the links to other threads too)...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=34707770
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&message=34452571
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&message=34778997
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&message=34546911
And thanks for looking!
Great start! A unique POV. Dark birds are very hard to shoot (and retain detail).
Practice on anything you can. I love going down to the park and shooting the ducks and gulls. Work on that tracking!
650D IQ is a bit better than my 50D. Both will produce stunning images though.
Have fun shooting,
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Corne Ferreira
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@R2D2 thank you for the links and tips
I'm loving the T4i.
Here are some test photos from the T4i. The Praying Mantis was taken with the 100L lens. Two of them are cropped. The shots with the Praying Mantis eating the bug were taken nighttime in the light of the porch lights @ 3200 iso. The camera even managed to focus using the center point manually selected. The daylight shot of the insect was taken at ISO 400. The street scene was taken with the 50mm 1.4 @f/1.4 at ISO 6400.
All shots were hand held.
Here are some test photos from the T4i. The Praying Mantis was taken with the 100L lens. Two of them are cropped. The shots with the Praying Mantis eating the bug were taken nighttime in the light of the porch lights @ 3200 iso. The camera even managed to focus using the center point manually selected. The daylight shot of the insect was taken at ISO 400. The street scene was taken with the 50mm 1.4 @f/1.4 at ISO 6400.
All shots were hand held.
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You're quite welcome. Good luck and have fun!
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R2D2
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Thanks for the samples and shooting info. Impressive that the camera can perform so well in such low light. It's too bad the Mantis wasn't on a branch tho!
I consider myself lucky to have captured this Damselfly with the big 300 f4L IS and extension tube (but I had good light)...
Thanks for sharing,
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Really nice pictures of the children.
I used to own a 550D (T2i) and it was a love/hate relationship.
I loved the handling, the features, the overall picture quality and I absolutely loved the movie mode. I've tried many movie capable cameras since then and I still think that Canon cameras (550D and up) are in the league of their own. Panasonic and Sony can shoot nice and crisp video, but its just video, which I personally find dull and uninspiring. Cannon's movie output is magical.
What I didn't like about it? The first thing that I didn't like about my 550D was somewhat "creative" color rendering. For instance, it never rendered the color of the blue eyes properly (the eyes were either black or gray, but rarely blue). By looking at these sample, I think Cannon fixed that (I hope) -- the color of the eyes on the samples is wonderful.
I also didn't like the unnatural purple or pinkish hue that 550D added to pictures, and it was impossible to get rid of it completely in software (RAW or otherwise). I see that at least the pinkish hue is still there. For most people it's not going to be a big deal though and I think I can live with it too.
And the last thing that I absolutely hated about the 550D was its inability to capture fine detail in poor natural lighting (overcast sky mostly). In my case, it always resulted in shadowy areas around people's eyes and lips lacking any detail whatsoever, which made their faces look gross (much older and plain ugly). I wonder if the 650D improves on that. I think it just might.
In any case, I like what I see so far. If everything checks out, I might sell all my older Nikon cameras and lenses and my Sony NEX-5N and go Canon all the way.
I used to own a 550D (T2i) and it was a love/hate relationship.
I loved the handling, the features, the overall picture quality and I absolutely loved the movie mode. I've tried many movie capable cameras since then and I still think that Canon cameras (550D and up) are in the league of their own. Panasonic and Sony can shoot nice and crisp video, but its just video, which I personally find dull and uninspiring. Cannon's movie output is magical.
What I didn't like about it? The first thing that I didn't like about my 550D was somewhat "creative" color rendering. For instance, it never rendered the color of the blue eyes properly (the eyes were either black or gray, but rarely blue). By looking at these sample, I think Cannon fixed that (I hope) -- the color of the eyes on the samples is wonderful.
I also didn't like the unnatural purple or pinkish hue that 550D added to pictures, and it was impossible to get rid of it completely in software (RAW or otherwise). I see that at least the pinkish hue is still there. For most people it's not going to be a big deal though and I think I can live with it too.
And the last thing that I absolutely hated about the 550D was its inability to capture fine detail in poor natural lighting (overcast sky mostly). In my case, it always resulted in shadowy areas around people's eyes and lips lacking any detail whatsoever, which made their faces look gross (much older and plain ugly). I wonder if the 650D improves on that. I think it just might.
In any case, I like what I see so far. If everything checks out, I might sell all my older Nikon cameras and lenses and my Sony NEX-5N and go Canon all the way.
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Hi L'aquila.
Thanks for looking, and the comments! The kids were great fun to shoot! It actually was a bit hard to get candids (which these aren't of course) because they'd ham it up every time they saw the camera! (Encouraged by their parents, ahem). I hate that!
Yeah, every camera's output has its own unique tone curve to it. It can be somewhat daunting trying to adapt one's post processing to account for this. It's one reason many photogs initially are somewhat disappointed with the output upon receiving a new camera (thinking that they can just use their tried and true processing scheme). I've learned the hard way to just throw everything out the window and start PP fresh, letting the eye guide any adjustments.
Indeed, some releases around that time did have that Magenta tinge you talk about. Even my previous camera the 50D, which was quickly updated to address that issue. I was happy with the files after that.
Actually I explain earlier in the thread that the kids were in fact ruddy from a full day out on the water. The color was indeed true (actually extremely accurate), and I recall making a note to self that I needed to offer up an explanation for it when posting.
So not to worry, skin tones so far look pretty good.
Yeah, these images of the kids were not Cooked much at all. In fact I liked the results so much I just had to share them here.
Hey, even Darth Vader eventually saw the light! ;-)
Thanks for all your comments, and I hope your Roadmap brings you success.
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Roger Nordin
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Really nice photo there, with great lighting. Good of you to grab that opportunity! It proves what others are saying, the 18-55 kit lens is surprisingly good value for money.
ISO 400 is really no challenge though, it's been pretty good all the way back from the 10D...
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ISO 400 is really no challenge though, it's been pretty good all the way back from the 10D...
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Thanks Roger. Love to shoot family activities. Had to see how this camera fared.
That's for sure. In fact I previously had a sterling copy of the non-IS kit lens. It took great photos. Then I bought the IS version and it was about the same as my original non-IS. However this copy of the IS II is excellent (better than the other two for sure). I attribute it to copy variation.
Funny thing, is that last night I figured I'd try out ISO 3200 to see how it did in this camera (had a camera club Board meeting at a local (dark) restaurant). The other members were greatly impressed with the camera (weight, handling, speed, AF, features, sharpness, output, etc etc). We also had a blast with the "Handheld Night Scene" mode (takes 4 quick shots and combines them in-camera for best results). And when I got home, I certainly was impressed with ISO 3200!ISO 400 is really no challenge though, it's been pretty good all the way back from the 10D...
Thanks for looking and commenting.
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R2D2
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You know, I've been thinking about this, and I wonder if it was just a byproduct of too much noise reduction perhaps? Due to the necessity of using higher ISOs in low light. Mebbe post a shot or two that exhibit what you are describing, along with 100% crops (EXIF attached if possible). I bet we could diagnose this.
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ByronP
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My t4i is a great little camera. Its sensor is as good as my 7d and as good at my 3ti. It's focusing is better than my t3i and on static objects as good as my 7d. Live view is great on static things such as flowers when using a tripod. The touch screen almost makes up for not having another dial like on on 7d. What is missing in my opinion is custom settings, more focus points and groups, a little less noise, etc. What I would love is a 7d in a t4i bod with less noise at higher iso's. What else, a 500mm is L lens in a s mount. Something I can mount on my 580's that allow canon radio communications.
If canon wants more money from me, they need to take S mounts seriously with more high quality lens. To me what is missing is s mounts at 400mm and greater. Also, have rebel size models that are not dumbed down in focus, speed, controls, et al.
I would buy the new M, but it is dumbed down too much...no view finder, slow, nissing external controls.
This is not to say, canon should not have dumbed down camers, but at the same time full feature rebels at higher prices.
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If canon wants more money from me, they need to take S mounts seriously with more high quality lens. To me what is missing is s mounts at 400mm and greater. Also, have rebel size models that are not dumbed down in focus, speed, controls, et al.
I would buy the new M, but it is dumbed down too much...no view finder, slow, nissing external controls.
This is not to say, canon should not have dumbed down camers, but at the same time full feature rebels at higher prices.
Bp
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Hi Byron,
I think that has certainly become the general consensus in the Forums. It's an extremely capable camera. I regularly shoot with other photogs with bodies costing several times as much as the T4i, and this little guy holds its own and More!
Yeah, Live View on my 50D was next to useless on anything living. It's much better on the T4i (unless you're shooting action).
I just Love that touchscreen too. It's neat that it can be used in conjunction with the buttons/dials.
It would indeed be nice to have a handful of custom settings profiles (C1, C2, C3...) like on the higher costing bodies.
The AF I have absolutely no issues with. It has been outstanding for me.
Have you tried Handheld Night Scene mode yet? Or Multi Shot Noise Reduction? The reduction in noise is Impressive .
Well what we've got is more like a 60D in a T4i body. Though I wish the RAW buffer was as deep.
Radio slaves work well. I have a really cheap set from Cowboy Studio (through @mazon).
Sorry, unfortunately those telephoto lenses wouldn't gain Anything as EF-S mount lenses. They'd be just as big and bulky (and costly) as the current lenses. There have been some good discussions on this topic over in the Canon SLR Lens Forum. It's only wide and mid range lenses that benefit from the reduced flange-back (and image circle) distance.
However, I'd take an EF 500mm f5.6L IS any day!
Agree with you there. It would be nice to have a maxxed out Rebel, due to the size savings alone!
Not this "M" body for me either, for the same reasons.
Yep, I'd pay the premium for an upgraded spec for sure.
Here's hoping!
R2
ps. Sorry I missed your post earlier. It's a good one.
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