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With my raw workflow in LR I'm just adding a bit more sharpness, seems to be doing the trick, I'm happier anyway. ;-)







 
Try this setup ... - let me know what you think ...
E-M5 200asa Standard





or if you want more micro detail/contrast





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Yes, I notice when that same image was posted yesterday. Good on ya.

As I see them on this monitor (glossy), I'd have bushed the f/g to be a bit less harsh, but that's not the point here (just saying, 'cause I quite enjoy this scene).

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Once I find time I will report to Adobe that Lightroom 4 seems to be using "Green Equilibration" on E-M5 files even though its sensor does not need it. This leads to less microcontrast/sharpness in very fine detail.
 
@iantau: why the high NR at base ISO? I don't have an OMD but find usually that little NR is required at base ISO for the GH2.
 
I think that around 50 is a little high for noise reduction at low ISO-- I find around 20 seems ideal though 30 is often good as well. As the detail is a little higher in sharpness than I use, it may well be that these settings to some extent cancel each other out. Anyway, more sharpening than the default 25 is needed but I found that with the GH2 as well.

Pushing both luminance noise reduction and sharpness is the way to go with m43 I have concluded, so am in broad agreement with the principles here.

David
Iantau said:
Try this setup ... - let me know what you think ...
E-M5 200asa Standard



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dko22 said:
I think that around 50 is a little high for noise reduction at low ISO-- I find around 20 seems ideal though 30 is often good as well. As the detail is a little higher in sharpness than I use, it may well be that these settings to some extent cancel each other out. Anyway, more sharpening than the default 25 is needed but I found that with the GH2 as well.

Pushing both luminance noise reduction and sharpness is the way to go with m43 I have concluded, so am in broad agreement with the principles here.
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I prefer a high amount (75+) with, usually, a smaller radius and significant masking. The radius setting depends on the type of scene (foliage, architecture, you know). I only touch NR as called for, but often a high detail setting is part of that tweak.

It should be known, but mentioned in case not - holding down the Alt/Opt key while manipulating most of the sharpening sliders is helpful - I don't use it much except for every time I have to apply a mask (like, every time).

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I am SO interested in this sharpness/NR discussion! My method so far is to play around until I THINK it looks good, but I am never really sure.

My amounts tend to be similar to what I'm seeing here, but I have as of yet been too unsure about the interplay of the Detail setting on both the sharpness and NR. I of course want sharp and smooth and detailed all at once. :)

And nice pictures by the way OP!

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Adventsam:

No technical comments for you, but I have to ask. Is the second shot of the Wainstones on the North Yorks Moors?

I learned the basics of rock climbing there 50 years ago......

Alan
 
@RickPick

I'm basically 'Old School' and always believed in using as little as possible or no NR. And as little sharpening as possible. Some of the things that i read on diglloyd's site about sharpening challenged my beliefs. When I tried his approach i found that it had definite merits, but that (for my taste) i had to use NR. Now I find that for most shots I can have both good detail and 'smooth' at the same time.

The numbers still look 'wrong' to me but they appear to work - so i'm in the process of reprogramming my head ;-)

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Masking is a key element in using LR4 for Sharpening (vs making a pit-stop into PS).

Hold down the alt/opt key and slide the masking slider to the right - this is allows the sharpening to be applied to edges and protects sky and other 'smooth' areas from unwanted artifacts...
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or if you want more micro detail/contrast





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Sam:

Not any more. I grew up in Stockton-on-Tees. Spent my mid-to-late-adolesence hiking all over the NYM every weekend. You posted some pics a couple of days ago and I did recall seeing the "Matterhorn of Cleveland" (AKA Roseberry Topping) in one of the shots. I think most of your shots were from the Cold Moor/Hasty Bank area. I know that footpath along the front ridge well, even after all these years.

The house I lived in in Stockton had a view of the NYM from the landing window. I used to get up each morning and tell what the weather was based on how well I could see the moors.

I've lived in the USA for the past 39 years(!). Just recently retired from paid employment and will be making a 2 month visit to the UK in mid-September. Hope to make a visit to the NYM while we're there this trip.

Your pictures take me on a long walk down Memory Lane.....

Alan
 
This is the first I've heard of this Timur. Is this issue documented or discussed elsewhere? I would really like to know/understand more about it!

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dcassat said:
This is the first I've heard of this Timur. Is this issue documented or discussed elsewhere? I would really like to know/understand more about it!
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I posted about it in my LR4 vs. RT4 vs. DXO thread. In the past Lightroom used "Green Equibrilation" (GE) on Olympus sensors because it was needed. In contrast to Raw Therapee (RT4) you don't get any manual controls over the process, though.

Here are comparisons of current versions of LR4, RT4 using GE 0, RT4 using GE 100 and DXO. No sharpening or noise reduction was applied to any of these, just the tone-curves/gradations where tried to be matched. As you can see LR4 more or less looks the same as RT4 with GE at 100%. "QE" means "GE" in those images, I just mistyped.

Moire comparison:





Very fine horizontal lines:

First a close shot of the original (taken from the web).



And here a far distance shot taken with the E-M5 + 45/1.8.





The following image is meant to show how RT4's labyrinth pattern noise turns into LR4 alike random noise when GE is increased (DXO achieves the GE 0 detail without the pattern noise). But you can also compare very fine detail noise by looking at the left side of the fence where parts of it overlap. The differences are minute, but visible in both the horizontal and vertical lines of that fence.



 
Why is the NR so high? Base ISO you can get away with much lighter NR and much higher detail. I find that I never need to go less than 70 on even the highest ISO images for detail and NR varying depending on the ISO and exposure used.

My normal work process after initial sharpening is zoom in to a dark or low light or low contrast area at 400% then put NR at 100 and detail at 100, pull back detail until the area sampled starts to or becomes smooth, zoom back to 100% and adjust NR until noise begins to enter or you have the desired amount of image detail to noise ratio you want.
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or if you want more micro detail/contrast





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Alan,

That is really something that you remember the names too so well, that is the "beauty" of the internet for sure. Your memory is excellent!

Take care and make sure you post some pics from your trip. ;-)
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Sam:

Not any more. I grew up in Stockton-on-Tees. Spent my mid-to-late-adolesence hiking all over the NYM every weekend. You posted some pics a couple of days ago and I did recall seeing the "Matterhorn of Cleveland" (AKA Roseberry Topping) in one of the shots. I think most of your shots were from the Cold Moor/Hasty Bank area. I know that footpath along the front ridge well, even after all these years.

The house I lived in in Stockton had a view of the NYM from the landing window. I used to get up each morning and tell what the weather was based on how well I could see the moors.

I've lived in the USA for the past 39 years(!). Just recently retired from paid employment and will be making a 2 month visit to the UK in mid-September. Hope to make a visit to the NYM while we're there this trip.

Your pictures take me on a long walk down Memory Lane.....

Alan
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