Ken Rockwell Endorses D700 over D800/E

rgolub said:

Except that he doesn't really make any valid points.

Yes, many photographers don't need 36 MP and if you're one of them and don't need video, then the D700 is a great camera (I like mine, along with the D800).

But his goofy rant about the color cast isn't supported by anyone else and I have no idea why the OP is complaining about the 10 pin connector (the D800 has one, I haven't heard of any falling off....).

Typical KR. A few bits of wisdom suffocated by gallons of oversaturated hogwash (My eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!)
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Bingo! From what i can tell Mr. Rockwell reviews are more towards NONE PROS that don't get paid to do photography, for people that ENVY or WISH they had such cameras or lens and they can't sleep overnight thinking about "what if i spend my lifetime savings and get the latest and greatest camera, just to have it"!

That is when his reviews come in handy, from a "none pro point of view", advising someone to stop thinking nonsense and just get the previous model or a much more older model that is going to do the ecxact same thing for what "they are going to use it for".

Same reason why he always chooses the 18-55 kit lens over any other $1000 dollar lens, because he is talking to people that don't get paid to do crap, so why bother. I don't think his comment is a big deal for you guys to get this upset, why?? Because you as PROS need it and are getting PAID when you have one of these high end D800 cameras. Now, if you have one of these cameras just to stare at your photos on your computer monitor and you are not actually printing huge building size prints or you don't work for National Geographics or FIFA, then that's when Mr Rockwe's comments apply.

+1, not all of us have an unlimited amount of money to put towards the newest and latest equipment. I too think Ken is speaking to this type of person.

Larry

by the way, regarding the color cast issue, i have read many complaints in Amazon from D800 users, and those are only the few ones that have an account with amazon.

You do not have the camera, have not used it and know nothing directly about it. So why are you so intent on posting claim after claim that has so little relation to reality? Something is really weird about your obsession about things that do not have any impact on you.
Go post about something you know about on the appropriate forum

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spbStan said:

You do not have the camera, have not used it and know nothing directly about it. So why are you so intent on posting claim after claim that has so little relation to reality? Something is really weird about your obsession about things that do not have any impact on you.
Go post about something you know about on the appropriate forum

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"A claim that has little relation to reality"?? Really? The reality is that if you just want to continue instigating this ussue simply just because you are an angry person and you just want to pick on someone just because you are bored, then that is fine, i respect your choice, but last time i checked this country as well as this thread, i am able to give my opinions just to clarify some things, that's all, and you have no right to kick us out just because we dont have this camera, we are just sharing thoughts about WHO Ken is talking to, it has nothing to do with us owning the camera

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mbecke said:

Ken Rockwell's site endorsed the tested and great D700 camera over the over-hyped, high resolution, low quality control and cluster f----d D800/D800E. I guess a camera that works well, takes great photos, excels in low light and is reliable (i.e., D700) is far preferable to a ridiculously high resolution camera that does not AF focus, locks up, and loses its 10 pin connector (i.e., D800/D800E). Oh, by the way, the D700 also costs much, much less. Hmmm, decisions, decisions. NOT!

Yeah, call me a troll if you want to. I know that you will. But if you refrain, I won't call you a dope for spending well over $3,000 (USD) for a defective camera that is probably not as good overall as its predecessor.

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Lick it troll!

No "effective" to it -- KR is flat out wrong. And a simple test will prove that. Set your Nikon DSLR to record JPEG+NEF native ISO, then purposefully underexpose a photo (with no blown hilights) -8EV. I did on a D300. Try to recover the JPEG. Could not, it was black. Try to recover the NEF. While not pretty (essentially ISO 51200), it worked.

eNo said:

I think it's more like he makes controversial statements and marginally accurate information (I think he means that for most cases JPG "effectively" preserves the important 12-bit data within its 8-bit data capability, which in practical terms works for what most people shoot -- but not for pros who need to have all the data). If he were consistently inaccurate or pattently false, the hits on his site would do him no good. I know plenty of folks (some even post here) that get enough out of what he says and enjoy his style.

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kilago said:

mbecke said:

Ken Rockwell's site endorsed the tested and great D700 camera over the over-hyped, high resolution, low quality control and cluster f----d D800/D800E. I guess a camera that works well, takes great photos, excels in low light and is reliable (i.e., D700) is far preferable to a ridiculously high resolution camera that does not AF focus, locks up, and loses its 10 pin connector (i.e., D800/D800E). Oh, by the way, the D700 also costs much, much less. Hmmm, decisions, decisions. NOT!

Yeah, call me a troll if you want to. I know that you will. But if you refrain, I won't call you a dope for spending well over $3,000 (USD) for a defective camera that is probably not as good overall as its predecessor.

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Lick it troll!

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Juicy juicy honey!! Is that you on the photo. Some people's kids!

...then you really don't have much of an argument.

HI!

I know of no one in Photo cyberspace that has more supporters and detractors as KR!

Some (usually newbies) use his site as the holy grail, while others don't concern themselves with his comments much more than caring about whether Elmer Fudd prefers 'wabbitts' or 'dat cwazy duck'.

RB

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OP again. Please see Thom Hogan's latest post (today) about the D800/E. Two out of two, yes two out of two, D800 cameras inspected by Mr. Hogan appeared to have the AF left side focus issue. This is not a good sign. The owners did not even realize it. The owners had only been using the Auto Focus AF-S, center focusing point. The "point" (pardon the pun) is that this problem with the D800/E is probably fairly widespread. However, many of the amateur D800/E owners probably simply don't yet realize that it exists on their camera. Again, please review Mr. Hogan's current post for further details.

As to St. Petersburg's Stan's typically highly caustic remarks, and to some of the others as well, you are correct -- I do not own a D800/E camera. And why in the heck would I or any other sane minded person purchase and own a D800/E camera in light of the current quality control issues? Really, folks. Does that make any rational sense? The frustrating thing for me is that I would truly like to own the D800. I am really looking forward to viewing 36 mp of resolution. But they have to get the camera right before I will purchase it. So, if that makes me a troll, I will sign off as follows: OP, aka, troll.

I'm sure there is a reason you feel that anyone cares what Ken Rockwell says...but I have no idea what it might me. Why not save your bandwidth for something more meaningful... (Snarky comment I know, but he deserved it!)
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Scott Oberle

Reminds me of something I read on LL recently.

Under "'Kidding Or Not'"

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/drub_prophesis.shtml

Scott Oberle said:

I'm sure there is a reason you feel that anyone cares what Ken Rockwell says...but I have no idea what it might me. Why not save your bandwidth for something more meaningful... (Snarky comment I know, but he deserved it!)
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Of course there's Thom Hogan's not recommended to consider even if you think Rockwell is a fool.

The D700 with grip an EL-EN4 is an 8FPS high ISO monster for sports and low light photography.

The D800 gets used for highly detailed landscape, macro and nature photography.

I am happy to have both.

The D700 certainly feels more substantial in the hand...more solid and heavier.

But my D800, purchased in late June, has had no problems...focuses very well with all focal points, with little or no AF fine adjustment (14-24, 24-70 and 70-200mm require no adjustment, 50mm and 85mm prime require a +4).

I have never had the camera lock up...

I have used each for casual and professional applications, and as much as I loved the D700, the D800 is simply so much better in every single way there was no point in living with the limited resolving power of the D700.

Lack of first-hand experience with these cameras is the only way I can imagine anyone taking KR seriously about D700 vs. D800.

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Kabe Luna said:

I have used each for casual and professional applications, and as much as I loved the D700, the D800 is simply so much better in every single way there was no point in living with the limited resolving power of the D700.

Lack of first-hand experience with these cameras is the only way I can imagine anyone taking KR seriously about D700 vs. D800.

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Kabe Luna said:

I have used each for casual and professional applications, and as much as I loved the D700, the D800 is simply so much better in every single way there was no point in living with the limited resolving power of the D700.

Lack of first-hand experience with these cameras is the only way I can imagine anyone taking KR seriously about D700 vs. D800.

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Kabe Luna

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Except FPS (8FPS w/ grip for D700), and noise. Also, there are times when I simply don't need more than 12MP, specifically for sports photography. I also tend to take a lot of photos when shooting sports, and the 12MP RAW size is way more manageable than the 36MP D800 as far as downloading and processing time.

Still, the D800 is an amazing machine, but I certainly am not giving up my D700 for certain situations.

I endorse the D700 over the D800 if you shoot sports or wildlife.