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I refuse to believe the A99 will have an ISO hotshoe

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I just cant see any logical reason why Sony would alter the hotshoe unless it was to iso mount. I mean why? It would upset everyone. Those who want the ISO mount and those with accessories who now have an adapter to lose. What extra options could they be bringing to make it with it?
 
Klipsen said:
Realistically, I have nothing to base my assumption upon, but the rumour about the A99 going to have an ISO hotshoe rather than an iISO one seems perfect in order to discredit rumour sites.
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I agree that it would be a very strange move.

What would make sense is that Sony tweaked FA-HS1AM making it smaller and include it with A99.
 
Archer66 said:
What would make sense is that Sony tweaked FA-HS1AM making it smaller and include it with A99.
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That could very well be the source of this rumour ... someone hearing about a new flash, a new hotshoe and a new adapter. It would make more sense than abandoning the excellent iISO hotshoe and alienating existing customers in a largely futile attempt to win over customers from the competitors.
 
ck3 said:
Klipsen said:
Realistically, I have nothing to base my assumption upon, but the rumour about the A99 going to have an ISO hotshoe rather than an iISO one seems perfect in order to discredit rumour sites.

Four years ago, Sony upgraded their flash system to include wireless ratio flash with up to three groups. Last year they added an iISO hotshoe to a NEX camera - not an adapter for the existing NEX flash system. The A77 and A65 would have been prime candidates for a new hotshoe, because the number of A99s sold will not be enough to justify the development costs.
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I guess (hope) Sony took a long look at the factors that made the a900 such a flop (saleswise). Sony cannot realistically hope to compete in the sports/PJ market with Canon and Nikon, but they should be able to get a foot into the fashion/portrait business. And for that clientele having to bother with the Minolta hotshoe is a unnecessary PITA which won't exactly increase their willingness to buy a Sony.
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On what factual basis to you say the A900 was a sales flop? Do you know how many cameras Sony sold, and whether that was more or less than it anticipated selling?

You probably are right that Sony has no realistic hope of competing with Canon and Nikon in the sports/PJ market - at least not right now. But, that doesn't mean it will always be the case (it used to be that Nikon was the only game in town until Canon decided to compete with it back in the manual focus film days). It took Canon a long time to overtake Nikon, but now Nikon seems to be on the upswing compared to Canon. Sony has made a few in-roads in the pro market, but not really the sports/PJ market because it hasn't tried (including not having all the right tools needed to compete). We don't really know what the future will bring, not just in the next 6 months to a year, but also many years into the future.

On the other hand, Sony has had most of the products needed to compete in the fashion/portrait business, but similar to the sports/PJ market, has not seemed to try. While it may lack one or two highly specialized lenses, for the most part that's not the issue, nor is the capability/image quality of cameras like the A900/A850. What it has not had is the full compatibility with various third party accessories commonly used for such photography (e.g, wireless triggers), though relatively cheap adapters allow such functionality, except for the latest innovation which is wireless TTL flash control that Pocket Wizard (and one or two other companies) offers for Canon and Nikon. But, that is not due to the nature of the hot shoe, it's due to lack of market penetration by Sony (or Minolta before it) among photographers using such devices. One of the key people involved in developing the wireless TTL system for Pocket Wizard is a former, long-time Minolta person (who I personally know). It is a complex process to develop the necessary protocols to make these systems work, and it is different for each manufacturer. There simply is not a sufficient economic justification for it to do so for the Alpha system, at this point. It is not because of the physical shape of the iISO/Alpha hot shoe.

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Klipsen said:
Archer66 said:
What would make sense is that Sony tweaked FA-HS1AM making it smaller and include it with A99.
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That could very well be the source of this rumour ... someone hearing about a new flash, a new hotshoe and a new adapter.
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Yes, that was my thinking too.
 
Archer66 said:
cyainparadise said:
Sony might do it, only to appeal to the professionals who care about the issue of using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights.
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There are no issues using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights with Sony hotshoe.
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Yes, there are two. None of the "leading" manufacturers of such systems (e.g., Pocket Wizard) have units that fit the iISO/Alpha hot shoe. Only smaller, less well known and mostly (entirely) Chinese manufactured devices have version in the iISO/Alpha hot shoe, and many of these are of questionable quality/reliability (though the Photix triggers I have so far have worked flawlessly). But, this issue is pretty easily resolved with an iISO to standard ISO shoe adapter (though not Sony's far too expensive version).

The second issue is that there are no such wireless trigger systems offering TTL flash control for the Sony/Minolta system, unlike Canon and Nikon. That "problem" is more difficult to deal with unless Sony were to undertake the solution on its own. How likely is that? We don't really know. While Canon is starting to do it, it is with its high end flash unit for which it has a much larger existing consumer base than Sony has. It would be forward thinking for Sony to start including such a system in its new flashes, but who knows if Sony sees it that way? Absent a significant increase in Sony's market penetration among pro shooters, the likelihood of a third party manufacturer developing such a system remains doubtful (though I would love to be proved wrong).

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only one thing is for sure:
A poll at SAR counts 74 to 26 based on 2600 votes for the change to iso .....

Listen to you clients Sony!
 
Mark VB said:
Archer66 said:
cyainparadise said:
Sony might do it, only to appeal to the professionals who care about the issue of using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights.
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There are no issues using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights with Sony hotshoe.
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Yes, there are two. None of the "leading" manufacturers of such systems (e.g., Pocket Wizard) have units that fit the iISO/Alpha hot shoe.
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There are different versions of Pocket Wizard for Canon and Nikon so that argument does not fly.
Mark VB said:
The second issue is that there are no such wireless trigger systems offering TTL flash control for the Sony/Minolta system, unlike Canon and Nikon.
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TTL is not used with studio lights.
 
Mark VB said:
Archer66 said:
cyainparadise said:
Sony might do it, only to appeal to the professionals who care about the issue of using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights.
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There are no issues using wireless remotes to trigger studio lights with Sony hotshoe.
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Yes, there are two. None of the "leading" manufacturers of such systems (e.g., Pocket Wizard) have units that fit the iISO/Alpha hot shoe. Only smaller, less well known and mostly (entirely) Chinese manufactured devices have version in the iISO/Alpha hot shoe, and many of these are of questionable quality/reliability (though the Photix triggers I have so far have worked flawlessly). But, this issue is pretty easily resolved with an iISO to standard ISO shoe adapter (though not Sony's far too expensive version).
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And where are the Pocket Wizard for Pentax and Olympus? Both use the ISO hot shoe...
Mark VB said:
The second issue is that there are no such wireless trigger systems offering TTL flash control for the Sony/Minolta system, unlike Canon and Nikon. That "problem" is more difficult to deal with unless Sony were to undertake the solution on its own. How likely is that? We don't really know. While Canon is starting to do it, it is with its high end flash unit for which it has a much larger existing consumer base than Sony has. It would be forward thinking for Sony to start including such a system in its new flashes, but who knows if Sony sees it that way? Absent a significant increase in Sony's market penetration among pro shooters, the likelihood of a third party manufacturer developing such a system remains doubtful (though I would love to be proved wrong).

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I'm using the Pixel Kings that support TTL/HSS with the Sony iISO and they work really well. For studio you don't need TTL.

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Sorry for any inconvenience.
 
Mark VB said:
On what factual basis to you say the A900 was a sales flop? Do you know how many cameras Sony sold, and whether that was more or less than it anticipated selling?
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I think it's an open secret that the two "Minolta cameras" - the A900 and A700 weren't exactly sales successes.

If the A900 would have sold according to expectations I doubt there would have been a A850 for 2/3rds of the price of an A900 barely one year after its release.
 
Atto said:
only one thing is for sure:
A poll at SAR counts 74 to 26 based on 2600 votes for the change to iso .....
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How many of those who voted actually:
  1. own a Sony SLR/T?
  2. own a Sony/Minolta flash?
  3. will be using hotshoe-mounted devices that only exist in an ISO version?
Atto said:
Listen to you clients Sony!
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You can rest assured that close to 100 % of those who voted no to changing have invested a lot of money in the existing system - and those who voted yes have not - so whom should Sony listen to? Loyal customers or potential buyers who let their purchase depend on the hotshoe, yet may not buy a Sony product anyway?
 
I think you are wrong, Klipsen. And, judging from the survey under way at SonyAlphaRumors (2500 plus have voted), 74% have greeted the change positively. Kiklop, the owner of the Dyxum site, arguably the most important Alpha site, posted today that he had called for Sony to make the change six years ago.
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Archer66 said:
winedarksea said:
Kiklop, the owner of the Dyxum site, arguably the most important Alpha site, posted today that he had called for Sony to make the change six years ago.
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Where he lives ? I need to pay him a visit to if he is the reason for the possible change :P
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He lives in Croatia. He has stated his reasons on the Dyxum forum.

But in any case, I am pretty sure it's a done deal: Sony will now be using a version of the iso flash shoe.

Give it a chance. What they are doing may be much better for us all.
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Dulaney
 
Yes, doing wireless triggering for some time now. I guess i'm not a professional because i don't use ISO hotshoe triggers
 
If Sony wanted to be a conformist they could have done so years ago I think the people who are asking for this are just wishing for something they are better off without. the third party manufacturers are just starting to include iISO in their lines. It would seem like giving up on a battle your already starting to win. It would be huge shame to suddenly have to deal with those stupid ISO shoes again.
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