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Marco Nero said:
I agree with everything posted here so far.

And about all the whiners here: People these days want a four course meal for the price of a cup of coffee. It seems to be human nature to want more than just good value and just because a manufacturer doesn't offer you an OVF or a Flip-LCD or some other accessory, it doesn't mean the product itself is worthless... and yet that's the way people seem to act these days.
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While I agree with you that there's a lot of attitude towards certain products where people want something for nothing, I don't think this is quite the case here. Canon is very late to the mirrorless party and there are several competent and competitive options out there.. and now finally with good lenses (that's micro four thirds). With even cheaper models that look quite frankly very compelling too. In pro enthusiast and "this Canon shown" flavors. And cheaper.
Marco Nero said:
Go buy another brand if you don't like what's on offer. But don't tell me that brand-X has mastered the lens, the processor and ergonomics because very few have done do. I sure don't care if Canon drops the ball (again) but you just know they're going to be conservative with a camera like this. They actually have a long history of crippling new models just to preserve the high profit margin in other lines like lenses or DSLRs.

I was going to buy one of these mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras as long as I can stick a Canon EF f/1.2L USM lens on it. I just want to do it and see what sort of results I can get from it. When I picked up my G1X yesterday to bring it out with me I chuckled to myself: " LOL! This is probably the same size as the smallest configuration of the EOS-M. "

If the announcement reveals more appealing information, I'll consider getting one of these because I think it makes a great backup to a regular sized DSLR.

Personally, I think there's going to be more to this camera that just a few leaked pictures. Let's see what the announce in the next day or so. I think it's going to be interesting... and there will HAVE to be a new forum for it.

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minzaw said:
nosnoop said:
VincentWSLim said:
Have anyone think about the the opposite direction? Ie, as Canon releases smaller EFM lens, maybe we all start getting beneifits on smaller EF-M lens on our 6xx/6x?
Did not see any article whether can the EF-M lens be used on 600D....
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No, none of the mirrorless camera lenses can be used on DSLRs.

Mirrorless camera has a much shorter flange focal distance (register distance) than DSLR. That's why you need an adapter to add back that distance for DSLR lenses to be compatible. OTOH, mirrorless lenses, designed for short flange focal distance, cannot be made to work with DSLRs.
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Wrong!

Pentax K-01 could take ALL pentax K mount lens WITHOUT an adapter with in body SR as well as focus peeking

i.e ANY K mount lens from 1970s to date

enjoy
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Pentax K-01 thickness: 58mm

Canon EOS M thickness: 32mm

Canon EOS 60D thickness: 79mm

http://camerasize.com/compare/#285,100

There's your explanation why K-mount lenses still work on the Pentax K-01. It's practically the same thickness as the 60D if you take out the 60D's grip and optical viewfinder. Does Pentax have any thinner bodies that mount K-lenses?
 
If this was priced $200 lower and competed with the Sony NEX F3, it would make a bit more sense. Maybe if you're dead set on a mirrorless and don't trust Sony's future lens lineup, then it could be a consideration. I highly doubt it's worth spending $1k just for the ability to use eos lenses, but maybe some people feel that is worth the price. Otherwise, everything else has already been said.

Bring on the Magic Lantern! ;-)
 
The point is Canon started from scratch.

They are aiming at a market segment that wants more than a cell phone camera and they left out a feature critical to those folks that take photography seriously. Without an EVF/OVF bright daylight and moving targets are a nightmare.

Slap a small pancake on this and you have a very pocketable point and shoot APS-C cellphone.
 
minzaw said:
nosnoop said:
No, none of the mirrorless camera lenses can be used on DSLRs.

Mirrorless camera has a much shorter flange focal distance (register distance) than DSLR.
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Pentax K-01 could take ALL pentax K mount lens WITHOUT an adapter with in body SR as well as focus peeking
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I suppose if you want to include the K-01...

K-01 is not a typical mirrorless design; basically it has the same design as a DSLR, only with the prism and the mirror taken away.

But anyways, the discussion here is about whether dedicated mirrorless lenses can be used in DSLR; and since there is no dedicated lens designed for K-01, it really is irrelevant to our discussion.
 
dweekie said:
Maybe if you're dead set on a mirrorless and don't trust Sony's future lens lineup, then it could be a consideration.
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The 22mm f2 lens is very nice, something that Sony doesn't have. Their pancake is 16mm f2.8, which is way too wide (24mm equivalent) for normal use, and f2.8 is slower.
 
"Canon says that the camera's performance is far from final, and given the October ship target, it's reasonable to expect significant improvements before the EOS M makes its way to consumers."

So wait and see till then...

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nosnoop said:
minzaw said:
nosnoop said:
No, none of the mirrorless camera lenses can be used on DSLRs.

Mirrorless camera has a much shorter flange focal distance (register distance) than DSLR.
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Pentax K-01 could take ALL pentax K mount lens WITHOUT an adapter with in body SR as well as focus peeking
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I suppose if you want to include the K-01...

K-01 is not a typical mirrorless design; basically it has the same design as a DSLR, only with the prism and the mirror taken away.

But anyways, the discussion here is about whether dedicated mirrorless lenses can be used in DSLR; and since there is no dedicated lens designed for K-01, it really is irrelevant to our discussion.
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This pan cake is designed for K-01 with K mount hence you can use on ANY K mount SLR not confined to K-01 per se
So All K mount lens are compatible with SLRs or Mirrorless cameras with K mount
No need to buy a new set of lens just meant for MLCs like Canikons
needs more homework??
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Abraxx said:
"Canon says that the camera's performance is far from final, and given the October ship target, it's reasonable to expect significant improvements before the EOS M makes its way to consumers."

So wait and see till then...

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Fair point.

In my opinion it is virtually impossible that the autofocus can be as bad as is quoted on 'image resource' of 1.2-1.7 seconds which is between 6-10x slower than competition in the mirrorless market.

This is for 2 reasons 1) being so slow would really equate to the autofocus appearing dysfunctional against its competitors (I still have an EP1 with focus almost that slow and it would not be acceptable in todays market) 2) Canon have said that it is the same focusing system as the 650 or t4i and nobody has been up in arms about that camera taking a second to focus, so presumably it doesnt.
 
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007peter said:
Another stupid thing is the endless complain about EVF. What's to complain about? Sooner or later, canon will also release an EVF version, much like every competitor. One model doens't satisfied everyone . There is usually 2-3 modles of mirrorless from every maker. For example:
  • Nikon V1 has EVF
  • Nikon J1 has no EVF
  • Olympus E-P3 has no EVF
  • Olympus E-M5 has EVF
  • Panasonic GF2, GF3, GX1 has no EVF
  • Panasonic G3, GH2 has EVF
  • Sony NEX C3, 5n has no EVF
  • Sony NEX 7 has EVF
So what if the leak photo of the current Canon Mirrorless is the one without EVF? Canon will release another model that had it anyways.
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The Skipper said:
dweekie said:
Maybe if you're dead set on a mirrorless and don't trust Sony's future lens lineup, then it could be a consideration.
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The 22mm f2 lens is very nice, something that Sony doesn't have. Their pancake is 16mm f2.8, which is way too wide (24mm equivalent) for normal use, and f2.8 is slower.
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22 f2 is a great pancake to start off with and a better one than Nex. As an M43 user I do wonder how much better off you are really. We started with the 20/1.7 pancake from Pana a few years back which really isnt a whole lot different given the 2.0 v 1.6 sensor size.

Meanwhile your standard zoom - 18-55 3.5-5.6 (28-88 5.6-9.0) - is about the same size of our latest - 12-35 2.8 (24-70 - 5.6).

http://camerasize.com/compact/#351.348,315.336,ha,t

While a standard zoom has shrunk to half the size....

http://camerasize.com/compact/#315.335,351.348,ha,t
 
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