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Here are the price comparison for similar FOV and aperture between m43 and Canon taken from Adorama

Canon 22mm f2 $249
vs
Panasonic 14mm f2.5 $303.59 or
Panasonic 20mm f1.7 $359

Canon 18-55mm IS f3.5-5.6 $299
vs
Panasonic 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 $343.60

Canon Speedlite 90EX $149 (not sure what's the guide no though)
vs
Olympus FL-14 $199

Now Canon has: bigger sensor and lower lenses and accessories price.
Sure, the body is more expensive, but you get a bigger sensor.

I hope Pana and Oly lower their prices!
 
Competition and perceived value drives it all. So far, Panny and Oly have been able to keep their prices us because there is demand for the products. If the Panny 20mm lens is out of stock from time to time, why should they lower the price?

SF Photo Gal aka Queer Chick
Canon 1DsIII & 5DII/Panasonic GH1-GF1-LX3
 
any reason why you felt the need to start a new thread instead of adding to the several already going about this camera?

this smells of viral marketing to me
 
Dixa said:
any reason why you felt the need to start a new thread instead of adding to the several already going about this camera?

this smells of viral marketing to me
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?! You have have a funny smelling sense :)

Because the threads I've seen only discussed on the sensor, that "equivalent" things, dof etc. None of them discussed on the price yet.

I've been wondering quite sometimes, why m43 lenses are quite expensive although theoretically it covers smaller sensor.
My guess is: it's because Oly and Pana have monopoly on mirrorless market.

Now they have a strong competitor with cheaper lenses, hopefully they adjust their lenses price. Or, do you think they'll keep their current prices like what they did for 4/3 system?
 
Albert Ang said:
Here are the price comparison for similar FOV and aperture between m43 and Canon taken from Adorama

Canon 22mm f2 $249
vs
Panasonic 14mm f2.5 $303.59 or
Panasonic 20mm f1.7 $359

Canon 18-55mm IS f3.5-5.6 $299
vs
Panasonic 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 $343.60

Canon Speedlite 90EX $149 (not sure what's the guide no though)
vs
Olympus FL-14 $199

Now Canon has: bigger sensor and lower lenses and accessories price.
Sure, the body is more expensive, but you get a bigger sensor.

I hope Pana and Oly lower their prices!
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And the bigger sensor makes the lenses act faster. So, the 22/2 is acting like a 17.5/1.6 and the 18-55/3.5-5.6 like a 14-44/2.8-4.5. But then Canon has generally been about fast lenses at keen prices.
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Bob
 
Yes, but "speed" is the light captured per area, aka light intensity. Light captured in total, aka photons captured, aka photon noise, is area x intensity x sensor efficiency. So if sensor efficiency is the same, intensity and area compensate each other. Meaning when comparing optical quality, image circle and light intensity correlate positively.

Furthermore, and more importantly, aperture size is a function of f-stop and focal-length. A 55mm F/5.6 lens has a 9.8mm aperture, while a 45mm F/5.6 has a 8mm aperture. A lens designed for a larger sensor with the same native FOV means that the same design needs more glass.
mano42 said:
you are kidding, right?

F2 is f2 no matter how small or big the sensor is. The DOF of f2 is different but the "speed" is the same....
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The Pana/Oly lenses are more expensive in part due to they must be sharper per square millimeter sensor area to give the same (or better) IQ as lenses designed for APS-C sensor size.

And many times the kit lenses of Oly/Pana have been reported to be sharper then most other maker´s kit lenses, even when the smaller sensor is in the equation.

And, the difference in price indicated by the OT is very small, a few tens of dollars is not much.

We don´t know yet the price of the EF-S to EF-M adapter (I have not seen a price for it anyway) then we must take into account the pretty large lens collection available for m4/3 already, and it is expanding still.

EF-S/EF lens + adapter will for many amateurs/beginners be felt to be pretty expensive. Some m4/3 lenses are expensive too, so that may be like for both systems for the aimed for customers, beginners and casual amateurs. Other more advaced hobbyists may feel both systems are of good vauel and will invest to their pleasure in respective system of their liking.

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Aim & Frame ;-)
 
Why don't you take the price of the body in the comparison? 850,- euro's with the kitlens is a joke. They wont stand a change against competition like E-PL3, NEX-5n, and GX1.
 
I agree. They did it because they could. Many items in M4/3 are overpriced imo and prices have to come down to stay competitive.

I'm glad Canon finally entered the game though so far i have no interest in their camera(s).
Albert Ang said:
I've been wondering quite sometimes, why m43 lenses are quite expensive although theoretically it covers smaller sensor.
My guess is: it's because Oly and Pana have monopoly on mirrorless market.

Now they have a strong competitor with cheaper lenses, hopefully they adjust their lenses price. Or, do you think they'll keep their current prices like what they did for 4/3 system?
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What´s that noise?

From one of the Canon Forums:

'I just came back from my first holiday with the 5D II (I think my wife was there as well). '
 
I think the point about M43 lens prices is a good one. Even giving Pana and Oly some leeway the 20/1.7 and 17/2.8 have been on the market a while already and both could do with updating to deserve a premium pricing.

I dont think Canon offers much of a competitive threat at present but I do think buyers who perhaps while looking at Canon, who might prefer Oly or Pana will be put off by the lens prices. So I think we will see prices come down to open up the market - at least I hope so.
 
Right, just like the 650D hasn't any chance either..
Thorgrem said:
Why don't you take the price of the body in the comparison? 850,- euro's with the kitlens is a joke. They wont stand a change against competition like E-PL3, NEX-5n, and GX1.
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Who cares, $50, street price, remember that's all they have a 22mm and kit zoom?

Bigger sensor, huh, bigger sensor with probably worse dr and outdated fab which has banding. The size is 1.6vs2, its irrelevant, get over it. The Canon m is irrelevant it's out-of-date, poor af, poor sensor, no evf, a Canon!
Albert Ang said:
Here are the price comparison for similar FOV and aperture between m43 and Canon taken from Adorama

Canon 22mm f2 $249
vs
Panasonic 14mm f2.5 $303.59 or
Panasonic 20mm f1.7 $359

Canon 18-55mm IS f3.5-5.6 $299
vs
Panasonic 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 $343.60

Canon Speedlite 90EX $149 (not sure what's the guide no though)
vs
Olympus FL-14 $199

Now Canon has: bigger sensor and lower lenses and accessories price.
Sure, the body is more expensive, but you get a bigger sensor.

I hope Pana and Oly lower their prices!
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So both aren't Canon interchangeable systems enjoying much of the same brand-recognition, market presence and user lock-in? And both aren't higher priced that competing similar products? Lol. Keep dreaming.
Thorgrem said:
So the EOS-M and the 650D are not completely different products for a completely different audience? Lol. Keep dreaming.
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That has very little to do with the success of either. See my reply to Thor

Yes, I've seen the 650D live-view focus videos, and I agree that it isn't that great. The thing is, that shows you the AF performance of the EOS-M using adapted lenses. The 650D is using PD-AF optimized lenses after all. Native EOS-M lenses can be faster if the native lenses are optimized for CD-AF focusing, like m43 and NEX lenses are. I'd say that the 18-135mm on the 650D is no worse than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcWds9N_hgc
Winston Loo said:
They are for different segments. Just like the EM-5 and GF3/5 or E-PM1 is different

BTW.. did you see the you tube videos of the 650D live view AF? totally bad. Even a G1 focuses faster !
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revio said:
EF-S/EF lens + adapter will for many amateurs/beginners be felt to be pretty expensive. Some m4/3 lenses are expensive too, so that may be like for both systems for the aimed for customers, beginners and casual amateurs. Other more advaced hobbyists may feel both systems are of good vauel and will invest to their pleasure in respective system of their liking.
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Let's figure 1 of 20 Canon owners say "Aha. I can buy that adapter and all of my EOS lenses work!" For those users, an adapter cannot be too expensive. They buy an EOS-M as an accessory to their Canon kit, and that should easily exceed the number of annual M43 sales, given the huge embedded base of Canon owners.

And with that much larger user base, it is easier to design new lenses at a quantity that amortizes the R&D and start-up expenses.

Panasonic and Canon had better get their supply lines ramped up. Who needs to be waiting 16 weeks for the Panasonic 20mm and 25mm to appear on the shelves, or 3 months for an EM5?
 
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