studio460
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So little talk/speculation about the D600...
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bobn2
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I suspect so too. The whole product line makes a lot of sense, leaving a capable FX camera to compete with the Canon APS-C 7D line, which I think will be a tempting offer to many. The D7000 already has a spec close to the 7D, so some upgrades for the D7100 would produce an camera even closer, at a substantial discount - it's a return to Nikon's former bracketing strategy with respect to Canon. There is a rumour of a Canon response, 7D AF and 5DIII sensor in a downgraded body, but with Canon's lineup, it doesn't make much sense, since it puts the value of a better AF and some more metal in the shell at nearly $2000, which looks excessive.
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studio460
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Yes, also, it isn't as if Nikon has been busting their butts concentrating on designing any new pro DX lenses. No fast DX wide-angles. Only one "pro" DX zoom. So, instead, build an affordable FX body, and up-sell more FX glass!
bobn2
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Sure, it is neither fish nor fowl, it is a camera.
The D7000 does not have a predicament, it is a popular and successful camera, very well suited to the needs of advanced photographers who need such attributes as good weather sealing, robust build, full manual two wheel control, high frame rates, 100% VF, dual card slots, multi-point AF and all that good stuff.
I would doubt it, it would be unnecessary duplication of forums. Even Canon DSLR's only get three forums. It also makes little sense to devote a forum to a dead product line. What makes more sense, is to go:
One wheel models (entry level, designed essentially for automatic modes with occasional forays into full manual), which in terms of the current lineup, will mean D3x00, D5x00 and for legacy cameras take in the D40-D60
Accessible two wheel models (designed for the advanced photographer, and priced so as to have a reasonably broad market)
D7x00, D6x0 and for legacy cameras, take in the D70-D90 and D100-D300.
Specialist cameras (high price models which because of the high price will have a more specialised and smaller market)
D8x0, Dx and for legacy cameras, take in the D700.
This is a pretty similar segmentation to the Canon lineup, which has all the Rebels in one forum, the xxD and 7D in another and the 1D and 5D lines in a third.
Just because Nikon's numbering system still doesn't make perfect sense in the hundreds, is no reason to make the forum lineup not make sense either.
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Let's see, D300 body, D300 features ... Bingo, the D100-300 forum seems like a perfect fit for the D700 .
n057
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And that would be OK too
It's fun pulling one another legs like that, but until Nikon plays its cards, it is just solid speculation. And even then, DPR will decide only then where they want to generate traffic or not, so for now lets have fun enjoying the music and taking cool pictures.
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Theodoros Fotometria
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--My opinion is that if D600 will follow the "nikon path" that was introduced with the D3 4yrs ago (better DR & noise performance than competition)..., which I'm sure it will, since its been proved a "winning horse"..., Nikon may be forced to stop making the D800 and only proceed with the D800E! I strongly believe that the D600 will (if the IQ is as expected) cannibalize D800 sales.Against the D800, you will find alot fewer folks on here will get "moist" about the D600...I anticipate it won't be popular here... but will sell tons out where people put wallet to retail counter.
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Rich Rosen
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If there is even a remote possibility the D600 will canibalize sales of a another brand new model such as the D800, Nikon will make something happen to prevent or for stall canibalzation from happening. They do it all the time when they introduce new models. Nikon makes sure that demand out strips supply for quite some time so as to allow retailers to sell off old stock.
Theodoros Fotometria
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--My opinion is that they have it all well planned, there is going to be a continuous rise of the D800E demand (which already happens) and that the D800 sales will be transfered to A. The D800e (which IS the camera that makes the difference) B. The D600 which will be a perfect solution for those that don't need (ie almost everybody) that high a resolution as the D800 offers, but don't need a "specialized" camera as the d800e (aimed for MFDB or highly advanced photographers) either... If it retains (the D600) the D800 characteristics and only has lower resolution and perhaps a slightly "lighter" construction... it will "crash" the market.
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Snodayz
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Well, not exactly, I already had all the top glass I needed from D3s days. I take your point on long glass, though I wonder if cropping 36mp will really produce as good a result as my trusty 400mm f2.8VR?
Actually I'm going to sell the D800 as I find it a bit disappointing to operate in comparison to the D4 and the file sizes it produces are just overkill for me. I mean I just exported 18 photos tonight at best possible and it was nearly half a gig in size. Ridiculous!
Subhasis Laha
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Yes, it would be wonderful if Nikon adds a dedicated AF On button to the D600. The AE-L/AF-L button that can be configured as AF-ON button on the D7000 is just too inconveniently located and it appears that the D600 body is very similar to the D7000 body.
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inasir1971
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One of the key things I found that helped me deal with the D800 is downsampling - quite significantly. It's only good for 36MP files till ISO 400 or so, by ISO 3200 at most 16MP...
I suspect that some of the 'responsiveness' of the D4 might be perceptual (and done intentionally in that way by Nikon). Take the AF-ON button - on the D800, it requires a firm press, while on the D4 touching it is enough. Same with the shutter, a much lighter touch. But certainly the storage and PP work/time required by D800 files is much greater than the D4, and the D4 does hold better much higher.
Anyway, I was just trying to point out that Nikon is probably exactly where they want to be and have little incentive to offer a product which will mainly compete with other Nikon products.
bobn2
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What I do for most of my work (the stuff not wanted for huge prints) is use half resolution demosaicking to a 9MP file. This is a 'full colour' file, each pixel has full colour information rather than interpolated, and the quality is very high. It's also a very quick process. There are many ways to use a 36MP sensor.
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CFynn
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Rumours are that Canon is also coming out with a low price full full frame camera this fall. If so, I'll bet the prices are similar. Neither company is going to want to loose existing customers transitioning from APS-C to full frame.
bobn2
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However, Canon has a problem with the design of its range. Look at the likely spec of the D600, it is well separated from the D800, if only because of the remarkable 36MP sensor of the D800, which seems to offer value, simply because it offers something you couldn't previously get under $10k or so. However, while the spec is different from the D800, it's really rather close to the 5DIII. You end up arguing the toss over one extra metal body panel and 22 focus points. Clearly the Canon has a better spec, but $2000 better? So, Canon's problem is that to keep the 5DIII in business, they need to significantly cripple the low end FF, and if they do that, it's not going to compete too well against the D600. Anything Canon makes will sell pretty well, just due to brand momentum, but it's still another bit of the market where Nikon will gain an edge.
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There will be other (how important, depends on the user) differences, but yeah, when you look at the current Nikon and Canon FF range, the one standout 'feature' really is the Sony sensor in the D800. Nothing else quite like it.
They could always lower the price for the 5D Mark III, they've given themselves enough room to do that.
bobn2
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Yup, but a huge price cut within a year of introduction is a PR disaster, because it says either
- you were gouging customers in the first place.
- the thing's selling so badly that slashing the price is the only way to sell any at all.
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I hope it work for high speed sports.
I anticipate it won't be popular here... but will sell tons out where people put wallet to retail counter.
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BearsMom
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This is probably a dumb question but here goes.
If you take a photo on the 3200 with twice the MP's but half the sensor size and take the same photo on a 700 with half the MP's but twice the sensor size when you blow them both up to 8x10 do you get the same resolution?
And if thats true then you could take the 3200's sensor and double its size and have a 48 MP snesor then what would you do with it. Put it in a D4x maybe?
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If you take a photo on the 3200 with twice the MP's but half the sensor size and take the same photo on a 700 with half the MP's but twice the sensor size when you blow them both up to 8x10 do you get the same resolution?
And if thats true then you could take the 3200's sensor and double its size and have a 48 MP snesor then what would you do with it. Put it in a D4x maybe?
Karen
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