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So little talk/speculation about the D600...
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moving_comfort
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I guess it might also depend on which forum the D600 gets dropped into.If they're trying to troll, that's the wrong target. The people who will really hate the D600 are D300(s) owners, because the D600 represents Nikon handing that price point over to FX, and the D7x00 line being likely to become the top DX.I expect to see an active troll contingent weigh in as well throughout, trying to pit D800/D4 owners against D600 owners
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n057
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Over at Nikonians, they have separate D100/D200/D300, separate D1/D2/D3/D4, an separate forums for D7000, D700, D800 each.I guess it might also depend on which forum the D600 gets dropped into.If they're trying to troll, that's the wrong target. The people who will really hate the D600 are D300(s) owners, because the D600 represents Nikon handing that price point over to FX, and the D7x00 line being likely to become the top DX.I expect to see an active troll contingent weigh in as well throughout, trying to pit D800/D4 owners against D600 owners
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bobn2
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The obvious one is the D100-D300 forum, because without it, that one won't have a current camera to discuss. There is a feeling that is a 'DX' forum, but so was this before the D3.I guess it might also depend on which forum the D600 gets dropped into.If they're trying to troll, that's the wrong target. The people who will really hate the D600 are D300(s) owners, because the D600 represents Nikon handing that price point over to FX, and the D7x00 line being likely to become the top DX.I expect to see an active troll contingent weigh in as well throughout, trying to pit D800/D4 owners against D600 owners
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bobn2
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The D100-D300 forum is the right forum to discuss the D600, since that is far the most likely one for it to be put in. If it isn't, that forum will die, like this one
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1026
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1026
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studio460
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Dollars to doughnuts, if the D600 arrives at its rumored price point, it will be Nikon's best-selling body ever.
bobn2
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I would doubt that - there simply is not a sufficient number of people looking to buy a $1500 camera. It will, however, suck that market sector dry, which is why it's highly unlikely that Nikon will also field a DX camera there.
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studio460
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True. They'll probably sell ten times as many D3200s. But, if the wait for a D800 seems long, wait 'til we see how many people will be standing in line for a $1,500 FX body.
studio460
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I should have probably more-accurately stated, "if the D600 arrives at its rumored price point, it will be Nikon's best-selling [FX] body ever."
Read Thom on the rapid demise of "low end" digicam sales as they cede to phone cameras.
The remaining "action" in the digital camera market will be in higher cost DSLR's and EVIL cameras.
So Nikon is coming out guns blazing with cameras designed and priced to steal as much share in these markets as possible, and as quickly as possible. D800 and D3200 were the first big canon shots from Nikon. Important or not, people like more pixels at less cost Nikon is delivering.
If spec'ed and priced as rumored, D600 will 1) yield a significant number of converts from other brands and 2) entice quite a few folks currently using lower cost models to "graduate" to a higher price point.
Even though these are terrific camera bodies, the D4 and D800 can only convert so many customers at their ~$6000 and ~$3000 price points. Buyers at these price points still represent too small a segment of the market.
At ~$1500+ price point, the D600 will yield many, many more Nikon converts in the marketplace and crank up Nikon's market share much more significantly.
Right now, it's not primarily about profits. It's about who has how much market share of the remaining higher end camera market once the dust finally settles (see aforementioned demise of lower end digicam market). D600 is a very key piece in this chess game.
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"Photography is not about the thing photographed. It is about how that thing looks photographed." - Garry Winogrand
The remaining "action" in the digital camera market will be in higher cost DSLR's and EVIL cameras.
So Nikon is coming out guns blazing with cameras designed and priced to steal as much share in these markets as possible, and as quickly as possible. D800 and D3200 were the first big canon shots from Nikon. Important or not, people like more pixels at less cost
Nikon is delivering.If spec'ed and priced as rumored, D600 will 1) yield a significant number of converts from other brands and 2) entice quite a few folks currently using lower cost models to "graduate" to a higher price point.
Even though these are terrific camera bodies, the D4 and D800 can only convert so many customers at their ~$6000 and ~$3000 price points. Buyers at these price points still represent too small a segment of the market.
At ~$1500+ price point, the D600 will yield many, many more Nikon converts in the marketplace and crank up Nikon's market share much more significantly.
Right now, it's not primarily about profits. It's about who has how much market share of the remaining higher end camera market once the dust finally settles (see aforementioned demise of lower end digicam market). D600 is a very key piece in this chess game.
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n057
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Not really. Being neither fish nor fowl, the D600 suffers from the same predicament as the D7000.
Let's see ... D7000 body, D7000 features ... Bingo, D90-D40/D7000-D3000 sounds like a perfect fit!
They will probably have to split the forums:
- D90-D40/D7000-D600
- D300-D100
- D4-D1
- D800-D700
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My speculation is that Nikon expects to sell three times the volume of the D4 and D800 combined. This would amount to 105,000 D600s per month. If they can do this, they can take FX from less than 10% of DSLR sales to about 33%. But DX - even based on these inflated expectations - would remain 67% of sales.
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Snodayz
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Interesting that people here seem generally condescending about the possible D600. I for one would happily give up my D800 for a D600 of around 21-22 megapixels and 6fps. Providing it has decent build and focussing of course. I find I just don't need the monster files that RAW shooting with the D800 provides, but don't want to reduce the file sizes by shooting in jpeg either. I know that some people really can utilise the full 36 megapixels the D800 is capable of, but for me it's too rare an occasion to be worth it the other 95% of the time. For feel and responsiveness I pull out my D4 every time over the D800.
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inasir1971
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Exactly - you have pointed out why it is against Nikon's interests to produce such a camera.
You (and many others including myself) have bought a D4 as well as a D800, and on top of that are spending many times the cost of the D800 body updating glass to meet the more demanding requirements of the D800 sensor. If you need high fps, you don't have that 36MP file to crop from and need longer (and more expensive) glass for your D4.
So now they are selling loads of both bodies and glass because a lot of the existing lenses are coming up short. Demand for primes has been created because people now have a very visible benefit they can get from paying $1500 or much more for a good lens. Or rather they are being shown that their lenses can't fully resolve the D800.
The D800 creates the demand for the new lenses - and a series of updates. How many of us want an updated 24-70?
Why make a (cheaper) compromise when you can sell two products that don't compete and at the same time generate demand for more lenses? The money isn't in the cameras - it's in everything that goes with the cameras.
So since you've bought both the D800 and the D4, why would Nikon have wanted you to buy one cheaper camera instead of two more expensive cameras?
PepsiCan
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The OP said 1500 EURO, not dollars. Expect a price of $1999.--. That is also the rumored price for Canon's D600 equivalent.
bobn2
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OK, NR has said $1500. $1999 would leave room for a $1500 DX, but the D7x00 would need to move down a couple of hundred.
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Bob
D600 - why make such a camera? As I wrote below, because profit margins aren't important right now, it's about increasing DSLR market share as quickly as possible at all costs as the compact digicam market sinks further and further with casual users opting for ever more capable camera phones. And even with D800 and D4 sales at such a healthy clip, there's a quite limited number of users one can snag at the $3K+ price point (look for higher end, RX100 style compacts from Nikon over the next year as buyers for these types of camera don't view camera phones as a viable substitute).
As the respondent to my post below accurately points out, even with a world beating $1.5K FX camera, there's still 2/3 of the DSLR market at the DX level right now. This accounts for Nikon's "game changer" 24MP D3200 entry level DSLR body. Buyers like more megapixels at lower price points, and the D3200 will snag more DX market share.
But even then, there's a brand conversion possibility when such DX buyers switch in the future from DX to FX, especially 1) as FX prices continue to come down and 2) as DX users are less likely to build up a lens arsenal (more kit lens-only users as one goes down in price point). So there's still a "premium" placed on increasing FX market share now at all costs. The D600's price point will encourage an important number of DX users (of any brand) to make the switch to FX via Nikon branded bodies.
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"Photography is not about the thing photographed. It is about how that thing looks photographed." - Garry Winogrand
As the respondent to my post below accurately points out, even with a world beating $1.5K FX camera, there's still 2/3 of the DSLR market at the DX level right now. This accounts for Nikon's "game changer" 24MP D3200 entry level DSLR body. Buyers like more megapixels at lower price points, and the D3200 will snag more DX market share.
But even then, there's a brand conversion possibility when such DX buyers switch in the future from DX to FX, especially 1) as FX prices continue to come down and 2) as DX users are less likely to build up a lens arsenal (more kit lens-only users as one goes down in price point). So there's still a "premium" placed on increasing FX market share now at all costs. The D600's price point will encourage an important number of DX users (of any brand) to make the switch to FX via Nikon branded bodies.
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studio460
Leading Member
I think the rumored $1,500 price point is too low. I bet it'll launch at $1,699 USD. The D7200 will remain at $1,199, or slightly less. There may be no "D400." The D600 may be Nikon's move to supplant a "pro" DX body from its DX product line.
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