Will the built in flash in cameras become obsolete?

I regard all light added for the sake of photography as bad, especially flash, especially direct flash. Professionals use it because it is easy, but, in my view, it never looks as good as ambient, always betrays itself.

But, no I don't think they will go away for quite a while because people think they need them, unfortunately.
 
I regard all light added for the sake of photography as bad, especially flash, especially direct flash. Professionals use it because it is easy, but, in my view, it never looks as good as ambient, always betrays itself.
I have to differ with your opinion here. All of the pictures that I have taken in total darkness are quite poor. Many pictures that I have taken using flash, or strobes, or hot lights, are quite acceptable. Light is the currency of photography. Professionals use lighting so they can get a picture that earns them money. And good lighting isn't easy, it's a whole extra load of technique.

Being able to shoot pictures in ambient light is useful, and, many times, does allow for a more meaningful photograph. But there are so many lousy pictures taken in "available light" (Is that an outdated '60's term? My head is full of them.) that I really am not a fan of it.
But, no I don't think they will go away for quite a while because people think they need them, unfortunately.
I'm pretty sure I've never used the built-in flash on my D300 except to trigger other flashes. But it's pretty good for that. And, someday, I just may need the thing to get a picture. And for point-and-shoot cameras, built-in-flash is a lifesaver, especially with automatic red-eye correction.
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Leonard Migliore
 
I don't really disagree with many of your points, but I do think that scenes lit for the photography often look as if the photographer is taking a picture of their lighting and thereby disengage the viewer's emotion. I acknowledge however that is practical, sometimes the only way, to get a picture.
I regard all light added for the sake of photography as bad, especially flash, especially direct flash. Professionals use it because it is easy, but, in my view, it never looks as good as ambient, always betrays itself.
I have to differ with your opinion here. All of the pictures that I have taken in total darkness are quite poor.
Of course, in "total darkness" you can't see either. Obviously people have added light since the dawn of fire for seeing, so objecting to all added light for any purpose would be silly.
Light is the currency of photography.
This is my main point. Most professional use of light looks to me like an inflated currency. The real thing connects the viewer with the scene, many times, in subtle emotional ways that photographic light devalues. Of course if, professionally, one needs to document an unlit scene, then for such mundane purposes, which much of professional photography is, whatever its pretensions, one needs to add light. In my view almost all professional photography is a form of documentation, no matter how it sees itself.
Professionals use lighting so they can get a picture that earns them money. And good lighting isn't easy, it's a whole extra load of technique.
Yes of course, "to earn them money" perfectly respectable. I think that having learned the technique many professionals think that it affirmatively distinguishes their work from that of amateurs when in fact their work would be better if instead they concentrated on the harder task of learning to shoot, whenever possible, without it.

The prevalence of artificially lit shots in advertising and its ilk has caused a degradation in taste in the masses, in my view, a degradation into this commercial artificiality. The worst effect is in wedding photography where people think it is their opportunity to look like a glamour shot. Photographers, of course, pander to this. In some ways only amateurs can afford the better look of ambient light.

As a consequence, while acknowledging the potential for many bad photos in all shooting, I generally prefer good amateur snapshots in ambient light, to most professional scenes shot with photographic lights. In this regard and connected with the OP, I do think that the steadily higher ISO shooting capabilities we are seeing today opens possibilities for gradually changing the prevailing culture's views on this topic.
Being able to shoot pictures in ambient light is useful, and, many times, does allow for a more meaningful photograph. But there are so many lousy pictures taken in "available light" (Is that an outdated '60's term? My head is full of them.) that I really am not a fan of it.
Of course there are many bad pictures taken in all kinds of light. The opportunity to take bad or boring pictures is unlimited. Even a fan of ambient light, as I am, might agree that there will be more worse ones taken for the sake of those few that are far better, and yet consistently choose never to use photographic lighting.
 
Of course there are many bad pictures taken in all kinds of light. The opportunity to take bad or boring pictures is unlimited. Even a fan of ambient light, as I am, might agree that there will be more worse ones taken for the sake of those few that are far better, and yet consistently choose never to use photographic lighting.
I agree. There are lots of bad photos taken with and without added lighting. As Theodore Sturgeon said "90% of everything is crud". What good photographers do is not show the bad ones.
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Leonard Migliore
 
I regard all light added for the sake of photography as bad, especially flash, especially direct flash. Professionals use it because it is easy, but, in my view, it never looks as good as ambient, always betrays itself.
I have to differ with your opinion here. All of the pictures that I have taken in total darkness are quite poor. Many pictures that I have taken using flash, or strobes, or hot lights, are quite acceptable. Light is the currency of photography. Professionals use lighting so they can get a picture that earns them money. And good lighting isn't easy, it's a whole extra load of technique.
Being able to shoot pictures in ambient light is useful, and, many times, does allow for a more meaningful photograph. But there are so many lousy pictures taken in "available light" (Is that an outdated '60's term? My head is full of them.) that I really am not a fan of it.
But, no I don't think they will go away for quite a while because people think they need them, unfortunately.
I'm pretty sure I've never used the built-in flash on my D300 except to trigger other flashes. But it's pretty good for that. And, someday, I just may need the thing to get a picture. And for point-and-shoot cameras, built-in-flash is a lifesaver, especially with automatic red-eye correction.
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Leonard Migliore
At least all the photos I've taken in total darkness (and without artificial lighting) have been properly exposed. :)
 
For most cameras, the DSLR in particular, give you choice of adjusting the flash apart from on/off means it can be used depending on the creativities of user, bounced or not, defused or not, use or not, in the capable hands. Of course it will be there, if cost and size is not a limitation.
Visualise the built-in flash in every camer, from poin-and-shoot to DSLRs... What's his purpose? To illuminate dark scenes, and to be used as a fill-in flash in high contrast situations...

Now look at newly developed cameras: very high ISO values, noise is getting handled in better ways, and HDR is getting done in playback mode...

If the trend goes this way, I'm guessing that in a few years the "usable" ISO values will reach easily 25000+... And this will take care of the flash in the first cases... Whilst the HDR getting a better output in every new camera, will eliminate the need for a fill-in flash!

Obviously cameras with a hot shoe will still benefit from an external flash because no software can mimic the bounce flash, or studio requirements... but for the less important built-in flashes... I really guess there's not much left in their lives...

Your thoughts are much appreciated! :)
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Regards, K

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most likely won't go away!

Not a lot of people use it but it can be mighty handy. Most times a hassle, not so on these two: the oly epl1 and epl2 do it from the start and its easy. And in the right circumstances its works flawlessly.

Perry
 
Not sure how increasing ISO to 25,000 would eliminate the need for fill flash in a strongly backlit scene. Unless you had an AI routine to lighten the dark pixels?

Otherwise, all your large ISO would do is result in over-exposure in daylight, so you would have to build in an auto-variable neutral density filter (which would be neat, anyway) to cope.

I'm not too deep technically, so if I'm not understanding your post correctly, please let me know!
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Jonathon Donahue
 
Not sure how increasing ISO to 25,000 would eliminate the need for fill flash in a strongly backlit scene. Unless you had an AI routine to lighten the dark pixels?

Otherwise, all your large ISO would do is result in over-exposure in daylight, so you would have to build in an auto-variable neutral density filter (which would be neat, anyway) to cope.

I'm not too deep technically, so if I'm not understanding your post correctly, please let me know!
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Jonathon Donahue
I'd have to agree. There's little point to fixing shadows by blowing out highlights. Or medium lights, for that matter. ;)
 

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