E-M5 sensor from Sony

This sensor has nothing to do with any post crisis deal by Oly, it will have been designed years ago.
Of course these are related. These deals, especially between Japanese companies, are typically years in the making, and often proceed in a step wise manner. One could almost argue that the financial deal may not have happened if it wasn't for the sensor deal a few years ago as the first step towards a more collaborative relationship.

I think it would be unlikely that Sony would provide a sensor to Olympus without a big picture in mind - one that would benefit them as much as it would benefit Sony.

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If true, i seems like its a scaled down NEX7 sensor.. in the same way that the D800 is a scaled up 16mp sensor. This is pretty good news and the NEX7 sensor is very good.
When I compared my NEX 7 and E-M5, the E-M5 was better at higher ISOs. Even when I up-sized the OMD or downsized the NEX 7 images. I think you can see this when comparing RAW files here at DPR.
Well, the ISOs of these cameras almost certainly don't match and the DPR lighting conditions are a bit iffy, so the DPR comparison images should always be taken with grain of salt.

Anyhow, the E-M5 has different conversion gain, thus the base ISO is higher and this naturally leads to slightly better high-ISO performance at the cost of low ISO dynamic range. How much that helps over the significant sensor size advantage of the APS-C remains to be seen until we get figures from DxOMark.

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why Oly has been so secretive about this. I can't imagine they would have thought that revealing that Sony made the sensor would hurt, rather than help, sales.
 
Louis is absolutely right here. Some cumulative biased points or star ratings mean nothing. Study those features and tests that are important in YOUR OWN photography. All the other features in a camera are maybe a nice bonus at most.
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why Oly has been so secretive about this. I can't imagine they would have thought that revealing that Sony made the sensor would hurt, rather than help, sales.
my summation is Olympus have found a new collaborator, this goes back to around a year ago for the sensor, and somewhat later for the capital injection. Since presumably over that time they still needed Panasonic for critical components perhaps like regular sensors, they didnt want to rock the boat too much in the interim.

now that the extent of the collaboration is broadly known, and they've achieved what they needed to cover should Panasonic bail from the relationship, it doesn't matter anymore so the question that is asked at most interviews, finally got an answer...

it probably means that all cameras from Olympus will receive the same sensor, and that there will be a few hiccups in supply for awhile.

pure guesses mind

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At least a stop and a quarter if not a stop and a half for high ISo. Shadow recovery dr is about a stop better if not a bit more.

Color depth and tonality is also a bit better. There's something to those 14bit Raws

I have shot them side by side. Also coming Iso 12800 the em5 sensor starts to band while the k5 even

Pushed past it's ISO 51200 does not. Weir that the q doesn't band either (another Sony sensor)

His is not to say I think te em5 does bad. Combined with nthe new fast primes it does pretty good. If the e-5 had this sensor I would have bought it and no k-5 probably

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So now you police the forum as well....
more liike the Gestapo!
I guess the lunatics are running the asylum.
Hope you are comfortable with that.
Do we really need two contemoraneous threads on exactly the same topic?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=40687767

Does anybody read the Posting Rules, "Do a search before posting a new thread"?

Tedolph
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This sensor has nothing to do with any post crisis deal by Oly, it will have been designed years ago.
Of course these are related. These deals, especially between Japanese companies, are typically years in the making, and often proceed in a step wise manner. One could almost argue that the financial deal may not have happened if it wasn't for the sensor deal a few years ago as the first step towards a more collaborative relationship.

I think it would be unlikely that Sony would provide a sensor to Olympus without a big picture in mind - one that would benefit them as much as it would benefit Sony.
I think you are wrong on this count : when Olympus get a sensor from Sony, it is just a client of Sony : they don't need to have other financial ties to strike a deal on a product. Plus Olympus wasn't in troubles then and didn't need cash from new investors like now

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There was no thread on this topic when I started it. So there!

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This sensor has nothing to do with any post crisis deal by Oly, it will have been designed years ago.
Of course these are related. These deals, especially between Japanese companies, are typically years in the making, and often proceed in a step wise manner. One could almost argue that the financial deal may not have happened if it wasn't for the sensor deal a few years ago as the first step towards a more collaborative relationship.

I think it would be unlikely that Sony would provide a sensor to Olympus without a big picture in mind - one that would benefit them as much as it would benefit Sony.
I think you are wrong on this count : when Olympus get a sensor from Sony, it is just a client of Sony : they don't need to have other financial ties to strike a deal on a product. Plus Olympus wasn't in troubles then and didn't need cash from new investors like now
It's perfectly plausible that investment costs for Sony are lower relative to other potential investors because it is a supplier (and, therefore, a more attractive investment opportunity for Sony and/or less costly option for Olympus). This is rather common in financial restructurings of distressed companies.

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This sensor has nothing to do with any post crisis deal by Oly, it will have been designed years ago.
Of course these are related. These deals, especially between Japanese companies, are typically years in the making, and often proceed in a step wise manner. One could almost argue that the financial deal may not have happened if it wasn't for the sensor deal a few years ago as the first step towards a more collaborative relationship.

I think it would be unlikely that Sony would provide a sensor to Olympus without a big picture in mind - one that would benefit them as much as it would benefit Sony.
I think you are wrong on this count : when Olympus get a sensor from Sony, it is just a client of Sony : they don't need to have other financial ties to strike a deal on a product. Plus Olympus wasn't in troubles then and didn't need cash from new investors like now
It's perfectly plausible that investment costs for Sony are lower relative to other potential investors because it is a supplier (and, therefore, a more attractive investment opportunity for Sony and/or less costly option for Olympus). This is rather common in financial restructurings of distressed companies.
But we are speaking of two years ago when Olympus wasn't yet looking for investors
So in this context what do you mean exactly ?

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This sensor has nothing to do with any post crisis deal by Oly, it will have been designed years ago.
Of course these are related. These deals, especially between Japanese companies, are typically years in the making, and often proceed in a step wise manner. One could almost argue that the financial deal may not have happened if it wasn't for the sensor deal a few years ago as the first step towards a more collaborative relationship.

I think it would be unlikely that Sony would provide a sensor to Olympus without a big picture in mind - one that would benefit them as much as it would benefit Sony.
I think you are wrong on this count : when Olympus get a sensor from Sony, it is just a client of Sony : they don't need to have other financial ties to strike a deal on a product. Plus Olympus wasn't in troubles then and didn't need cash from new investors like now
It's perfectly plausible that investment costs for Sony are lower relative to other potential investors because it is a supplier (and, therefore, a more attractive investment opportunity for Sony and/or less costly option for Olympus). This is rather common in financial restructurings of distressed companies.
But we are speaking of two years ago when Olympus wasn't yet looking for investors
So in this context what do you mean exactly ?
Just that an investment by Sony in Oly is some evidence (although limited) that Sony produces the EM5 sensor. Why? Because key existing suppliers are commonly motivated to take on a financial stake when their customers are cash-strapped. There could be a number of factors at play, not the least of which would be the supplier's relatively low priority of recovery of debts owed them by the customer in a full-blown bankruptcy proceeding. In that kind of scenario it doesn't really matter whether the original supply agreement started up a week prior or ten years prior to the revelation of financial problems at the customer end. The supplier might find themselves stuck, especially if they've owed money from the customer or they've got a lot of capital costs sunk into the relationship (which could well be the case here).

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I downloaded the DPR test scene (raw) and I was happy with what I found. Some kind folks here also donated their raws and I had a play with those too, and I liked what I found.

For me, the OM-D E-M5 crossed a 'good enough, enough of the time' boundary. I realise that's personal and subjective, so even if we all have this boundary we can argue about where that boundary lies, and it's pointless because the only thing that matters is what we decide for ourselves.

For me, it was the ability to put the files through my workflow and get a file of suitable quality from it.

My previous venture was GH2 and for me this fell short, it was more 'good enough, some of the time, but not close to enough of the time'.

So if true, I guess the different sensor answers a question about why the E-M5 was able to cross this boundary. It has felt strange wondering why Oly were able to get noticeably better performance from the same quality of sensor, but it's a question I put to one side simply because I was happy with the results.

I find it equally strange that all these DxO and other scores have been getting bandied around so much, surely a more important role for our eyes is viewing our images critically and being honest about what we see, not reading charts and graphs?

My decision to buy an E-M5 over a NEX 7, K-01, X-Pro 1 or NX20 came down to:
  • Weather sealing
  • IBIS
  • Native Lens availability
  • Size
  • EVF
But the only reason it made it into the short list for consideration is because it had passed that 'good enough' IQ boundary, and that's where eyes came in very handy.

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hitting the "Complain" button?

We just lost at least a dozen posts.

Don't you understand that when the Moderators "prune" a thread they take out everything after the offending post, the good and the bad?

Can't you just tolerate a little bit of things you might not like?

Can't you just accept the concept of free speach?

Honestly, what is it you people are afraid of?

Tedolph
 

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