Lots of excitement turned into disappointment.

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I'll preface this by saying it's not Sony I'm disappointed in at all, this is just a bad used equipment experience.

I'm a long time Nikon shooter, but like a lot of wildlife shooters, and bird shooters especially, I'm always wanting for more reach, my standard birding setup is a Nikon D300 with the 300mm f/4 AF-S and teleconveters.

However I've read lots of good things, and seen lots of great samples here and elsewhere of the Minolta 400mm f/4.5 APO HS. Regardless of system this stood out as probably one of the best bang for the buck deals around as far as a long somewhat fast telephoto that can also be used handheld.

Adorama has had one listed in their used department for months, and since I was in there today I decided to actually take a look at it in the metal. I looked it over and the glass was clean, the physical condition very good with only a few paint scrapes here and there, came in the original box and metal case. One problem was Adorama apparently didn't have a single Sony body on hand with a charged battery, so I couldn't test it on a powered body. Of course I figured if it had some kind of focusing issue or anything else I could just return it. So I went ahead and took the plunge.

Bought the lens, and since I didn't have a Sony body, I bought an A77 as well, something I've also been interested in since it came out as a wildlife camera. Got home, spent the last couple of hours charging the A77 battery and reading the manual, when the battery was charged I updated the firmware.

Then I mounted the lens, and nothing... It might as well not be mounted at all, No aperture detected, no autofocus. My first thought was to clean the contacts. They looked fairly clean to begin with, but I cleaned them with alcohol anyway. Lens back on, still nothing. My guess is the CPU in the lens is just totally dead, or something else has disconnected somewhere. I was really looking forward to using this thing tomorrow too, but instead I'm going to be spending the morning returning it.

Now what I have to figure out is whether I want to return everything, since I lot of my incentive for buying the A77 was to use lens on it. On the other hand I do like the camera body, and I could always buy a modern Sony SSM telephoto to use with it. Either the 70-200 f/2.8 with converters or 70-400 f/4.5-5.6, although neither will give the same combination of range and light gathering ability.

Any thoughts or advice from current Sony users would be appreciated, keep in mind that as of now I'm not invested in this system at all other than the A77 body and this dead lens. Thanks in advance.

Also here's some cellphone pictures from before my hopes were dashed.







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What did you pay for that lens...?
 
Sorry to hear of your bad luck with the used lens.

I sure you checked all possible things wrong with the lens,
since from your pictures, I can see you did a "cat" scan to be sure. :)

Better luck on your next lens purchase.

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Rick
 
I feel your pain.

Since you now have a charged battery, ask Adorama to break out another Sony and make sure you just didn't get a bad body. It sounds like a bad connection in the 5 pins between the body and the lens and that could just as easily be on the body side.

If the lens is bad, I would return the A77 and do a reset. The 70-200mm is a good lens and it holds up well with the 1.4TC, but you are still only at 280mm f4. The Sony/Minolta 2.0TC is OK but not great, and it is relatively expensive and you are at f5.6 wide open. The 70-400mm appears to be a very good lens but that was not what you initially wanted, and it will be readily available for the next 10 years.

Even if you decide that you want a purposed Sony birding system with the 70-400mm for reach, you might want to consider getting the A65 or A57. You would still have a good birding setup for less money.

I currently have the 400mm f4.5, the 20-200mm f2.8, the 300mm f4, and both TC's.

I have thought about selling the 400mm to get the 70-400mm and reduce weight but I just can't part with the 400mm.

Another thought. Ask Adorama to contact Sony for Lens repair. I'm not sure they still do the 400mm but it is worth a try. The 400 is worth waiting for if Adorama will pay to fix it.
 
As a user of the 70-400 I can highly recommend this lens - it's one of the things that tipped me into the Sony camp (I was upgrading from a bridge camera and was also considering going Nikon). Well built, not too bulky, and sharp even at 400mm wide open. At F5.6 (rather than F6.3) at 400mm it is slightly brighter than some of the other zooms in its class, but obviously not quite as bright as the minolta.
 
sorry about the lens ...b&h have two of them if you get your money back and are "set"on getting the lens,most of all good luck, brian
 
Since you bought it from an authorized dealer, you can get the lens repaired under warranty? I know they don't make that lens anymore but I had a 1DS and a D2H repaired by Samy's as they gave a 90 day warranty.

Also, as someone said, it may well be the body but let us know how this ends. Hopefully well.
:)

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Nick P
 
I feel your pain.

Since you now have a charged battery, ask Adorama to break out another Sony and make sure you just didn't get a bad body. It sounds like a bad connection in the 5 pins between the body and the lens and that could just as easily be on the body side.
Yeah, I definitely plan on both testing the lens with another body, and testing another lens on this body.
If the lens is bad, I would return the A77 and do a reset. The 70-200mm is a good lens and it holds up well with the 1.4TC, but you are still only at 280mm f4. The Sony/Minolta 2.0TC is OK but not great, and it is relatively expensive and you are at f5.6 wide open. The 70-400mm appears to be a very good lens but that was not what you initially wanted, and it will be readily available for the next 10 years.

Even if you decide that you want a purposed Sony birding system with the 70-400mm for reach, you might want to consider getting the A65 or A57. You would still have a good birding setup for less money.

I currently have the 400mm f4.5, the 20-200mm f2.8, the 300mm f4, and both TC's.

I have thought about selling the 400mm to get the 70-400mm and reduce weight but I just can't part with the 400mm.
Yeah, if there's nothing that can be done for the 400mm f/4.5 I'll probably return everything. I'm sure the 70-400 is good, but with the prime my goal was not just to get to 400mm, but past it, since it will still AF with the 1.4x TC and give me 600mm. There's really no other cost effective option that will provide that.
Another thought. Ask Adorama to contact Sony for Lens repair. I'm not sure they still do the 400mm but it is worth a try. The 400 is worth waiting for if Adorama will pay to fix it.
This I hadn't considered and will definitely mention. If this was a readily available lens and I happened to get a defective one I would just buy another. However since returning it probably means not seeing another for some time, I would be willing to wait on a repair if it was an option.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcullenphoto/
 
sorry about the lens ...b&h have two of them if you get your money back and are "set"on getting the lens,most of all good luck, brian
I think you might be confusing this lens with the 300mm f/2.8 APO, I see two of those on the B&H site, no 400mm though. If I'm wrong can you provide a link? I'm sure the 300mm f/2.8 is no slouch either, but honestly if I wanted one of those I could just as well get a more modern Nikon one used.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcullenphoto/
 
Since you bought it from an authorized dealer, you can get the lens repaired under warranty? I know they don't make that lens anymore but I had a 1DS and a D2H repaired by Samy's as they gave a 90 day warranty.
As I said to the other poster, if this is an option I might just go for it, I hate to give up this lens, and I'm already getting attached to the A77 too.
Also, as someone said, it may well be the body but let us know how this ends. Hopefully well.
:)
Going to Adorama first thing in the morning and I'll definitely post about how it turned out whenever I get home.
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Nick P
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcullenphoto/
 
Sorry to hear of your bad luck with the used lens.

I sure you checked all possible things wrong with the lens,
since from your pictures, I can see you did a "cat" scan to be sure. :)

Better luck on your next lens purchase.
Thanks, I'll have to make sure Adorama doesn't see those pics, they'll try to pin it on the cat.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcullenphoto/
 
Since I'm sitting home with this combo until the morning curiosity got the best of me and I figured I'd find out what this lens can deliver in the state it's in, so I set it up on a tripod at ISO 100 and set the camera to shoot with no lens. Of course it's manual focus and I have no way to stop it down since the camera doesn't see it, this is also pretty terrible light. Even so, the contrast and sharpness wide open really have me hoping Adorama will be able to get it repaired. I shot RAW and just ran the photos through Lightroom with my standard settings.







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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcullenphoto/
 
Now what I have to figure out is whether I want to return everything, since I lot of my incentive for buying the A77 was to use lens on it. On the other hand I do like the camera body, and I could always buy a modern Sony SSM telephoto to use with it. Either the 70-200 f/2.8 with converters or 70-400 f/4.5-5.6, although neither will give the same combination of range and light gathering ability.
As an owner and user of all 3 lenses I would highly recommend the Sony G 70-400 mm f:4-5.6 lens. This piece of glass is almost as sharp as the Minolta 400 mm f:4.5. The SSM focus motor is much faster and more precise for tracking moving subjects, the lens is lightweight and compact for transport, and the zoom range makes it more versatile for sports and animal/bird/BIF photography than the old prime. The Minolta lens has some smoother bokeh though, but the screw drive is noisy and not that fast even if the text on the lens says High Speed AF. The 70-200 mm f:2.8 lens is not as sharp as the two other at f:5.6, and the images need more Unsharp Mask to give pleasant results. Bright and fast focus though, and well up to the NiCanon equivalents. I really like this lens for sports photography. But when longer focal length and continious focus is needed, I grab my Sony G 70-400 mm zoom lens.
 
So if I am understanding your post correctly you don't have any other lens to determine whether your problem is camera related or lens related. First step for me would be to try another sony lens to eliminate the possibility of a problem with the camera.It is not impossible but I am pretty sure that Adorama tested the 400 before they shipped it to you. They have been in business a long time and are a reputable dealer.
 

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