Flying Fish
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Does it have better AF? The specs for the T4i make its AF sound at least as good as the 60D's, if not better.
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T4i grossly overpriced at $950?
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noonin
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Costco is selling the T31 with a bag, SD card, 18-55/50-250 lenses for $800, so eventually there will be pretty good deals on the T4i too.
art1sta
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Well I am a Canon user and the 500D did not run its normal cycle, I know because I bought one... and still have it with magic lantern installed for doing some filming.
Why complain about touch software on a DSLR well firstly I was not complaining I simply said its a feature thats pretty darn useless for anyone other than a novice but then it is a entry level camera.
maybe Im right maybe Im wrong but one thing I know for sure and that is... your in the wrong!
Why complain about touch software on a DSLR well firstly I was not complaining I simply said its a feature thats pretty darn useless for anyone other than a novice but then it is a entry level camera.
maybe Im right maybe Im wrong but one thing I know for sure and that is... your in the wrong!
AmateurSnaps
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I don't think the touchscreen will be useless nor useful to only the amateur going off the videos for some situations I believe it will offer a quick alternative to scrolling through menus. Plus in addition the dials can still be used in conjunction with or instead of, so nothing is lost.
Pentamirror, man, PentaMIRROR
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_rebel_t4i_18_135mm_kit#Specifications
Shooting JPG, faster burst is definitely an advantage, but only 6 RAW buffer is woefully inadequate. 16 RAW burst buffer was one of the reasons I upgraded from T2i to 60D. T4i buffer is still at 6 RAW.
And I would argue that higher AF point density is needed for consistent sport shooting. 11-point AF on the D3200 will be seen as advantage here, albeit a small one.
It does offer stiff competition. My estimate is less than 1 in a thousand prospective buyers will ever 'load high ISO RAW shots into compare widget', But every single prospective buyer will see the '24MP' spec. And at $700 for 18-55 kit, D3200 is rather aggressively priced. Also featuring Live in-movie AF, it will appeal to those who want video - although lack of articulated LCD is definitely a huge drawback.
Overall, I think that t4i will do quite well, especially with video crowd - a lot of thought went into making it a very capable camera without cannibalizing much from the next tier. (All X-point AF is about the only thing)
MikeFromMesa
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Also faster burst speed (5fps) and higher ISO. With the new functionality available with the t4i the 60D is starting to look a bit long in the tooth. They need to update it pretty quickly.
IcyVeins
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Did you even read my post? I specifically told you which cameras have a quick price drop and which ones don't. My statement about every rebel ever made still stands. Any camera that is refreshed every year is going to lose value quickly due to the need to clear out inventory. The 5D3 is a four-year camera and even for that there is no guarantee that the price will stay where it is.
jonrobertp
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to pick one sensor ? vs linear like Nikon does ? That wheel rotation drove me nuts. One of the reasons I started to look at other brands. So with my T2i...still the same way to move the one af point ? sigh if that's the case.
MikeFromMesa
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Yes, I read your post.
I did not say I did not see the difference between the two cameras.
But generally not until near the end of the cycle. The idea that the price of the 650D is going to drop quickly is, IMHO, wrong. If you see a drop it will not be until late in the year. Any sales going on quickly (as, for example, in a holiday sale) will probably involve rebates for lenses rather than reductions in price of the camera. So I question your definition of "quickly". For someone who needs a camera a 6-9 month wait is probably too long.
Of course there is no guarantee that the price will stay where it is. There is also no guarantee that the price will not go up in the US.
Remember, prices are determined by many things and one of those are the appropriate exchange rates. If the US dollar rises there will be less pressure to raise prices in the US. If the dollar falls, there will be more pressure to raise prices in the US. I would look to the exchange rates as a better indicator as to whether prices will rise or fall. The US dollar is high now largely because the Euro is weak. If the EU solves its problems you should expect the Euro to rise in value and that will cause a corresponding drop in the US dollar and that may well cause a rise in camera prices. If the US does not address its budget issues that may also cause a drop in the dollar (and a corresponding rise in the price of Canon cameras).
The idea that prices, even of cameras that "refresh" every year, will always drop is, I think, wrong. Will prices drop when (and if) the t5i comes out. Probably. But the idea that the prices are going to drop "quickly" (whatever that means) is, I think, wrong and that is what I was trying to say.
IcyVeins
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If the wait for a new camera is too long then they can buy a T3i which will probably lose very little value in the next 6-9 months and for that reason alone is a better deal. That is the point I was making in my original post.
I don't even remember who sent this thread off on a tangent about price reductions. Bottom line is that this camera is going to decline in price at about the same timeframe as all previous rebels. A year from now the body will be going for $600 and you'll be paying $850 for the new one. The T3i is worth barely more than the T2i sadly enough. The same will be the case a year from now especially if Canon ever gets off its ass and makes a significant change in a future model instead of more marginally useful updates.
I don't even remember who sent this thread off on a tangent about price reductions. Bottom line is that this camera is going to decline in price at about the same timeframe as all previous rebels. A year from now the body will be going for $600 and you'll be paying $850 for the new one. The T3i is worth barely more than the T2i sadly enough. The same will be the case a year from now especially if Canon ever gets off its ass and makes a significant change in a future model instead of more marginally useful updates.
Hmm, possibly not.
No doubt the T4i has really closed some gaps with the XXD series, but that series is still the rather more professional / heavier duty product line. For my money the T4i or even the T3i or T2i would be a better value - I doubt I'd wear out the shutter of the Rebel series before I decided to upgrade in a few years anyhow.
So I may well have misspoken on the autofocus. It will be interesting to see how all the specs compare side by side.
That matters to people who are not invested in lenses, or to people who put price above other things that are less obvious. We all tend to take for granted things that we have and then find out later that the 'newer and better' is missing some of them. I am not an expert on Nikon dslr's and I am sure they are excellent, but I recall reading that some of them may not be as user friendly in terms of access to commonly used settings as the Rebel series is.
MikeFromMesa
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I guess it depends upon what you consider to be "marginal". I personally think that many of the updates put into the 650D should be considered more than marginal.
1) continual video auto-focus,
2) all AF points cross-type,
3) decent continuous frame rate,
4) extra ISO step
These may be considered to be evolutionary but that does not, at least in my opinion, make them marginal. Some of the changes made in the XXXD series, like the articulated screen added in the 550D, are significant improvements for some users. I almost sold my 500D for the 550D because of the change in video as well as the articulated screen. Instead I upgraded to the 7D, but the improvements were significant to me. The same thing holds true for the 650D in that I consider some of the improvements significant. Not revolutionary, but significant for me as a user.
From DPR's pages:
T1i: Announced: Mar 25, 2009
T2k: Announced: Feb 8, 2010
Guess you're not so sure about yourself as you are clearly wrong. Canon has never launched a Drebel model 6 months after its previous one. Initially it was 18 months and now it's about. Maybe you are getting confused that you bought the T1i 6 months before the T2i came out, but clearly the 2 models did not come out 6 months apart.
MikeFromMesa
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And sometimes the oldest technology.
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IcyVeins
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In other words, people buying Canon's self-proclaimed "beginner friendly" camera, the T4i. This camera is not for people who are invested in lenses. In fact to make that crystal clear they even announced those two new lenses specifically designed to work with this new camera.
jonrobertp
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and sometimes the newest hot features. If one cam is hot and near perfect, it won't stay in that position for long. None do. That's the marketplace.
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