Substitue for Sigma WA lens for the SD1 and SD1Merrill

Nancy and Pete Spader

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One of the things some people with the SD1 andSD1 Merrrill are lamenting is the fact that there does not seem to be a Sigma WA lens that provides good sharpness when using the SD1 cameras. A substitute would be panos.

The advantage of panos in this case is not increased sharpness, since the SD1 with good lens is as sharp as almost anyone could want. The advantage is that you can have as Wide-Angle a shot as you want, and you can are not limited the width/length ratio of a single lens. I have the 14mm and it is a great WA lens (mine needs to be sent to Sigma to correct a minor decentering problem that developed). But it has a fixed field of vision, and also produces pronounced perspectival distortion which can be great for creative effects, but not always.

Panos give you complete freedom to do what you want. You can do the standard long panos, or do the spherical panos that are truly spectacular. But you can also simple do WA shots with you picking the size and ratio.

I do not have an SD1 or SD1 Merrill, I have shot many panos using the Sigma 50mm macro, the 105 macro and the 20mm lens on our SD10 and they were fun to do since I love WA. From the images posted and comments made by users, the 50mm is good on the SD1 and SD1Merrill and the 70mm is better (and so is the 85mm). All three can be used to make panos, and that is why I hope SD1 and SD1Merrill owners will try them out.

Pete
 
Hello!

Although stitching is an option, it comes at a cost and that is

1. it is only suitable for stationary scens

2. it requires time for setup (panos are best with tripod) and is fiddly in conjunction with filters
3. it requires post processing

4. I don't like to store 4+ images where a single image taken by a good WA lens would suffice

Stitching does not necessarily increase resolution because the images have to be scaled which always reduces resolution.

Don't get me wrong! I am using stitching quite often and I love it. But the no free lunch theorem also holds here.

Cheers

Joerg
 
Shooting good panos takes time and the right equipment. If I am going hiking or even climbing (for the main purpose of doing some physical exercise), this is simply not the place and time to take panos. Standard wide angle shots take hardly any time and can be used in such situations. A lot of people even like the effect of wide angle lenses as well.
So in a nutshell: Panos are not a substitute for wide angle shots for everyone.
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You are both correct about the time needed to do panos, The issue of sharpness is a problem with the SD1 or SD1Merrill. It is the WA possibilities I am talking about, and panos will give that.

Clearly if time is a major concern for you , then WA lens are faster and easier to use, though they will never give you the flexibility panos do.

It all depends on what you want and need and willing to do to get what you want.

When I run into a limitation I tend to look for a way around it, ad this is one way I think users of the SD1 or SD1Merrill might want to consider using until Sigma does produce a new generation of WA lens that work well enough on these new cameras to satisfy people.

But thanks for pointing out something some people might not have been aware of.

Pete
 
It may end for you, but since the points I am making do not need me to own an SD1, since they are about the usefulness of panos in place of WA lens, other people may find them of value, if you do not mind.

Pete
 
It may end for you, but since the points I am making do not need me to own an SD1, since they are about the usefulness of panos in place of WA lens, other people may find them of value, if you do not mind.
I'm one of those people who own a SD1 and have not yet done any panos. I prefer a wide angle lens simply because it is easier. Plenty of pixels to choose from to make a pano crop out of it. I'm just not interested.

But Meridian Photo has some really large pano prints to choose from, and I keep thinking about it.

I guess one day I'll take my 85mm and try a pano. It's one of maybe only two of my lenses that is pixel-perfect on my SD1. It will definitely be a project for me!

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Tom Schum
 
Hello!

Although stitching is an option, it comes at a cost and that is

1. it is only suitable for stationary scens
Not necessarily...I often have moving objects in my panos...But you would never know!
2. it requires time for setup (panos are best with tripod) and is fiddly in conjunction with filters
I take loads of panos, handheld, and its quick and simple.
3. it requires post processing
Er...All shots require post processing!
4. I don't like to store 4+ images where a single image taken by a good WA lens would suffice
Shots taken with wide angle lenses cannot hope to match the detail of a pano with the same FOV with a longer lens.
Stitching does not necessarily increase resolution because the images have to be scaled which always reduces resolution.
It nearly always increases resolution! Autopano pro does any scaling automatically.
Don't get me wrong! I am using stitching quite often and I love it. But the no free lunch theorem also holds here.

Cheers

Joerg
The lunch isn't as expensive as you make it out to be!
 
Shooting good panos takes time and the right equipment. If I am going hiking or even climbing (for the main purpose of doing some physical exercise), this is simply not the place and time to take panos.
Actually that should be the perfect place to take panos!
Standard wide angle shots take hardly any time and can be used in such situations.
As can panos.
A lot of people even like the effect of wide angle lenses as well.
Sure, if they like low resolution wide angle images.
So in a nutshell: Panos are not a substitute for wide angle shots for everyone.
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Hardy
I've got good wide angle lenses, but I still prefer taking panos with longer lenses.
 
When I run into a limitation I tend to look for a way around it [...]
We are all using Sigma gear... working around limitations is what we do all the time. ;)

Joerg
Speak for yourself...I may be using a Sigma camera but I very rarely use Sigma lenses on it!
 
It may end for you, but since the points I am making do not need me to own an SD1, since they are about the usefulness of panos in place of WA lens, other people may find them of value, if you do not mind.
I'm one of those people who own a SD1 and have not yet done any panos. I prefer a wide angle lens simply because it is easier. Plenty of pixels to choose from to make a pano crop out of it. I'm just not interested.
Actually, the wider the lens the less pixels you have to make a pano crop from...Panos give you extremely high resolution AND wide angle...Much easier to make a crop from.
 
I know the dogma on this forum states that there is no decent Sigma WA lens.

But I have recently acquired the new Sigma 20mm F1.8 EX DG ASP RF. I find my copy fault-free and excellent on my SD1. It is as good/better than my 70mm macro.

Will eventually get around to doing some panos though, probably using the 105mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro, currently my favourite prime on the SD1.
 
I know the dogma on this forum states that there is no decent Sigma WA lens.

But I have recently acquired the new Sigma 20mm F1.8 EX DG ASP RF. I find my copy fault-free and excellent on my SD1. It is as good/better than my 70mm macro.

Will eventually get around to doing some panos though, probably using the 105mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro, currently my favourite prime on the SD1.
if i read this then best is 105, then 20, then 70mm.
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http://www.stereopan.org
 
Yes, in my subjective opinion, in terms of primes, my new 105mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro, 150mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM APO Macro and perhaps also the new 180mm macro (haven’t tried) would be at the top of my ratings, closely followed by the 20mm F1.8 EX DG ASP RF and 70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro in equal second place.

To back-track , what I am looking for in a good lens is everything that a Sigma owner would expect: functionality (it works and it is balanced) , resolution, natural sharpness, bokeh, and the most important: enhancement of that indefinable Foveon “look”, especially on the SD1. BTW, my 120-300mm F2.8 EX DG APO HSM and 50-500mm F4.5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM zooms also satisfy this, IMO.



 

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