Movies to VCR

Marto · Jan 11, 2003

Hi All,

I am in the process of making a video tape of my daughter to send to family interstate (technologically challenged people - no DVD player). At the moment I am taking short clips and transferring them to tape one at a time via the AV cable, which works fine (especially now that I have worked out that you can turn the displays off on the camera).

My question is, does anyone know if it is possible to save and edit the movies together on the PC, transfer them back to the memory card on the 602, and play them? I would like to be able to add titles, transitions etc and then copy new compilation to tape (don't want to have to add a capture card to the PC).

So far I seem to get "corrupted" files when I save the edited movies back (I assume because the relevant codecs are not available in the 602?).

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Cheers
Dave

Doug Ames · Jan 11, 2003

I think the Fuji camera is pretty picky about the avi file format it will play back. I tried clipping and combining a couple of short camera video segments using VirtualDub in direct stream copy mode (i.e. no change in video or audio format), but the camera still doesn't like the result. Comparing the file headers with a binary data viewer, I see that they are generally similar, but there numerous small differences, e.g. "Fuji Finepix" appears in the original camera avi file header, but not in the edited version. I think extensive experimentation with all the fields in the avi file header might be needed to figure out which are significant.

Marto · Jan 11, 2003

Thanks Doug,

That pretty much sums up my experience so far. Oh well, I'll just keep going about it the old way - at least I can get 7 minute snips on the 512MB CF card.

Doug Ames said:
I think the Fuji camera is pretty picky about the avi file format
it will play back. I tried clipping and combining a couple of short
camera video segments using VirtualDub in direct stream copy mode
(i.e. no change in video or audio format), but the camera still
doesn't like the result. Comparing the file headers with a binary
data viewer, I see that they are generally similar, but there
numerous small differences, e.g. "Fuji Finepix" appears in the
original camera avi file header, but not in the edited version. I
think extensive experimentation with all the fields in the avi file
header might be needed to figure out which are significant.

Alakai · Jan 11, 2003

What OS are you using? Also what Editor? If you can encode your edited movies to the same specs as the original, perhaps it might work. If you have a digital camcorder with firewire that would make your life a lot easier.

I don't know for Win2k, ME, and 98, but in XP if you look at the advanced properties you can see the detailed attributes, such as image width & depth; Audio bitrate, sample, format; Video frame rate, data/bit rate, sample size, compression codec. Depending on what type of compression/codec algorithm is used, not all fields will be displayed. Kinda like EXIF data, if you get what I mean.

If you give me more info, perhaps I can help you out some more.
--
Fuji 2600, working on s602...she will be mine. Oh yes! She will be mine!

Marto · Jan 11, 2003

Hi Alakai,

I am using Windows XP, and have only tried with the supplied VideoImpression software so far (seems to have a good choice of output options, but I haven't tried them all yet!) - any other options would be greatly appreciated.

Alakai said:
What OS are you using? Also what Editor? If you can encode your
edited movies to the same specs as the original, perhaps it might
work. If you have a digital camcorder with firewire that would
make your life a lot easier.

I don't know for Win2k, ME, and 98, but in XP if you look at the
advanced properties you can see the detailed attributes, such as
image width & depth; Audio bitrate, sample, format; Video frame
rate, data/bit rate, sample size, compression codec. Depending on
what type of compression/codec algorithm is used, not all fields
will be displayed. Kinda like EXIF data, if you get what I mean.

If you give me more info, perhaps I can help you out some more.
--
Fuji 2600, working on s602...she will be mine. Oh yes! She will
be mine!

Alakai · Jan 12, 2003

Marto said:
Hi Alakai,

I am using Windows XP, and have only tried with the supplied
VideoImpression software so far (seems to have a good choice of
output options, but I haven't tried them all yet!) - any other
options would be greatly appreciated.

Hey Marto,

In case you didn't follow what Doug said, I'll give an explanation on what we mean. Here's what we're trying to do, we're tyring to emulate the same encoding/compression scheme that FUJI uses. There is information stored in the file headers that tells your computer or camera how to read and interpret the file.

If you are able to encode your clips in the same format as Fuji's, your clips should be able to be played on your 602. It's just a matter of matching your encoding settings with Fuji's specs.

I'm not familiar with ArcSoft's VideImpression. I did download the manual from ArcSoft's website, but it makes no mention of video encoding settings. If there is a option to make custom bitrate/streaming rate, frame rate settings, it would be found in either a "save," save as," "render," function or something similar to that. Look for an "options" or an "advanced" tab.

I just reread what Doug posted. Somthing funny is going on. I guess it'll be a matter of trial and error. If you forward me a sample clip, perhaps I can do some experimenting on my part and try and send it back to you when I think I might be in business. I don't need a long clip, 3 sec should be fine. I don't have the 602 as of yet, but it sure would make my job easier if I did have one.

I don't suppose you have a camcorder with firewire out do you? That would simplify this endeavor somewhat. But this Fuji encoding mystery/puzzle thing has piqued my curiousity, and I'm itching to figure it out.
--
Fuji 2600, working on s602...she will be mine. Oh yes! She will be mine!

Mark Duffy · Jan 12, 2003

Marto said:
Marto said:

(especially now that I have worked out that you can turn the

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displays off on the camera).

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Cheers
Dave

I would like to know how you turn off the display when playing back the video. I have searched the manual front to back and I must be overlooking the answer. Any help appreciated..

Thanks Marko

Marto · Jan 12, 2003

I know how you feel - I stumbled on it by accident (no mention in the manual). All you do is press the "Disp" button when in playback mode (before pressing the down arrow to start the movie). I think you have to press it twice from memory? Anyway, when the displays are off, just press the down arrow, and the video will play without the overlays.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
Dave

Mark Duffy said:
Marto said:

Mark Duffy said:

(especially now that I have worked out that you can turn the

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displays off on the camera).

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Cheers
Dave

Click to expand...

I would like to know how you turn off the display when playing back
the video. I have searched the manual front to back and I must be
overlooking the answer. Any help appreciated..

Thanks Marko

Marto · Jan 12, 2003

Thanks for taking the time to research this further. I'll make a short vid tonight and email it to you.

Cheers
Dave

Alakai said:
Marto said:

Hi Alakai,

I am using Windows XP, and have only tried with the supplied
VideoImpression software so far (seems to have a good choice of
output options, but I haven't tried them all yet!) - any other
options would be greatly appreciated.

Click to expand...

Hey Marto,

In case you didn't follow what Doug said, I'll give an explanation
on what we mean. Here's what we're trying to do, we're tyring to
emulate the same encoding/compression scheme that FUJI uses. There
is information stored in the file headers that tells your computer
or camera how to read and interpret the file.

If you are able to encode your clips in the same format as Fuji's,
your clips should be able to be played on your 602. It's just a
matter of matching your encoding settings with Fuji's specs.

I'm not familiar with ArcSoft's VideImpression. I did download the
manual from ArcSoft's website, but it makes no mention of video
encoding settings. If there is a option to make custom
bitrate/streaming rate, frame rate settings, it would be found in
either a "save," save as," "render," function or something similar
to that. Look for an "options" or an "advanced" tab.

I just reread what Doug posted. Somthing funny is going on. I
guess it'll be a matter of trial and error. If you forward me a
sample clip, perhaps I can do some experimenting on my part and try
and send it back to you when I think I might be in business. I
don't need a long clip, 3 sec should be fine. I don't have the 602
as of yet, but it sure would make my job easier if I did have one.

I don't suppose you have a camcorder with firewire out do you?
That would simplify this endeavor somewhat. But this Fuji encoding
mystery/puzzle thing has piqued my curiousity, and I'm itching to
figure it out.
--
Fuji 2600, working on s602...she will be mine. Oh yes! She will
be mine!

Mark Duffy · Jan 13, 2003

Marto said:
Hope this helps.

Cheers
Dave

Mark Duffy said:

Marto said:

Marto said:

(especially now that I have worked out that you can turn the

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displays off on the camera).

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Click to expand...

Marto said:
Marto said:

Marto said:

Dave

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I would like to know how you turn off the display when playing back
the video. I have searched the manual front to back and I must be
overlooking the answer. Any help appreciated..

Thanks Marko

Thanks for the valuable info Dave. Sure looks like this would be mentioned in the owners manual. Another Kudo for the Forum experts. I live, I learn Marko

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