Todays "RIVER Scape" pic

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I took this photo this morning with my e-10,it was an hours walk to the middle of no where.The snow was coming down quite hard and thought it would mess up the photo taking but shortly before I got here the snow stopped and the sun briefly came out. Suggestions would be appreciated



Bill C
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Excellent shot, Bill. Quite scenic. Looks cold, but peaceful.

Gary
 
Bill,

That is a beautiful place and well worth the walk to get there! Lovely scene with good exposure and focus. I did take some liberties with it...nothing major, except the mirror and crop....everything else just very minor touch up....darken one stop; touch up foliage with the "Hue Down" tool; slight selective sharpening of the tree trunk. That's it.



Hope you don't mind me messing with your really nice image.
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Hi Richard,thanks for engaging me in debate and challenging me ;-) I like the sharpening you did.What was the purpose for the mirror and interrupting the arch of the top branch (I thought you liked currves) is this considered better photographic techniques ?
Bill,
That is a beautiful place and well worth the walk to get there!
Lovely scene with good exposure and focus. I did take some
liberties with it...nothing major, except the mirror and
crop....everything else just very minor touch up....darken one
stop; touch up foliage with the "Hue Down" tool; slight selective
sharpening of the tree trunk. That's it.



Hope you don't mind me messing with your really nice image.
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Bill C
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I'm not really disagreeing with the picture, just taking a look at it in a different way! :)

The reason I cropped the top and side is it seemed to bring the focus more on the river; river bank; and strong angled tree trunk....the central and most important elements to me. The strong arch shape above seemed to distract from these central elements just a bit and were not really essential to the scene. If the prime subject was the tree itself, then the arching branches would have been much more important.

The mirror image is because the eye normally moves from left to right (in Western countries where people read from left to right) and the strong diagonal of the tree in the mirror allows the viewer's eye to follow this natural path. This is a compositional concept I picked up while dabbling in paints many years ago but also applies to photographs. It's not really a rule, just a concept that sometimes makes a composition flow a little easier.

So much of this is just preference, but this was how I saw it.

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touch up foliage with the "Hue Down" tool; slight selective
sharpening of the tree trunk. That's it.
What's this Hugh Downs tool, and where do I find it?
Is it on the menu next to the Barbara Walters tool?
Is 20/20 the best settings for it?

:-)

Seriously though.... What/where is the "hue down" tool?
 
Nice shot. I like the framing used in this one with the tree in the picture. One question, is that sky a real or PS colored one? For some reason it just keeps popping out at me.
I took this photo this morning with my e-10,it was an hours walk to
the middle of no where.The snow was coming down quite hard and
thought it would mess up the photo taking but shortly before I got
here the snow stopped and the sun briefly came out. Suggestions
would be appreciated
http://www.golfballs2000.com/blacklickcreek3.jpg

Bill C
E-10,Sony DSC-F717,c-2100
 
thanks Dwight.......that sky was so white it would have hurt your eyes !
I took this photo this morning with my e-10,it was an hours walk to
the middle of no where.The snow was coming down quite hard and
thought it would mess up the photo taking but shortly before I got
here the snow stopped and the sun briefly came out. Suggestions
would be appreciated
http://www.golfballs2000.com/blacklickcreek3.jpg

Bill C
E-10,Sony DSC-F717,c-2100
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Bill C
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LOL that's hilarious !!
touch up foliage with the "Hue Down" tool; slight selective
sharpening of the tree trunk. That's it.
What's this Hugh Downs tool, and where do I find it?
Is it on the menu next to the Barbara Walters tool?
Is 20/20 the best settings for it?

:-)

Seriously though.... What/where is the "hue down" tool?
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Bill C
E-10,Sony DSC-F717,c-2100
 
This is a great picture and composition! I have to disagree with the cropping though. The angles of the branches turning into the trunk, then continuing down into the bank creates a wonderful curvalinear composition.(Which means there is a large circle of focus that the eye follows) This is visible in most ancient paintings and compositions of artists that are considered masters.

The only thing I would change would be to use a polarizing filter to get a little more depth from the water. But thats just me.

Matt.
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This time I went back and read the other comments....and I like your photo better than the crop. If our eyes go from left to right....mine followed the river....to the tree....where the tree, with its arch, framed the scene, and drew me right back into it. I love your composition!

It's interesting to see other views though....
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This is a great picture and composition! I have to disagree with
the cropping though. The angles of the branches turning into the
trunk, then continuing down into the bank creates a wonderful
curvalinear composition.(Which means there is a large circle of
focus that the eye follows) This is visible in most ancient
paintings and compositions of artists that are considered masters.
Matt,

I certainly agree with the idea of eye flow in curvilinear composition....that is well established. But this image has multiple elements......the 'curvilinear', consisting of the sweep of the river and its snowy bank and the downward curve of the smaller branch; the 'angular' form of the very strong tree trunk (angular compositional elements are used to denote power and strength as opposed to curvilnear which suggests grace and beauty); and then, you have the very strong inverted vee at the very top of the picture. This inverted vee is the portion that I cropped out because it interrupts that eye flow and tends to lock the eye at the top of the image. Taking the vee out keeps the integrity of the circular elements and allows the diagonal to be a part of the sweep rather than conflict by ending at the top of the photograph.

Of course, as in all things art, much of this is entirely subjective and depends on the viewer. I have seen paintings (and photographs) rejected by one juried show that became best of show winners when judged by another panel.

Bill's photograph is a great picture....I like it.....I just see it a bit differently.
Regards,
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Richard,keep up the great analysis like you did here,wow I learned a lot from it. Better then the usual
First Person:How do you like my photo ?
Second Person: I like it
Frist Person: thanks

THe eye does seem to take in the photo better with your mirror effect ! But the branch being cutoff is another matter :-)

I wished I could have included more of the left shoreline .I don't know if it would have been better to move a little to the right (but there was brush there and didn't bring my chainsaw this time :-) and cut off the base of the big tree a little and angle the camera towards the left side a little more ?!? (but of course not eliminating the snowy shoreline)
This is a great picture and composition! I have to disagree with
the cropping though. The angles of the branches turning into the
trunk, then continuing down into the bank creates a wonderful
curvalinear composition.(Which means there is a large circle of
focus that the eye follows) This is visible in most ancient
paintings and compositions of artists that are considered masters.
Matt,
I certainly agree with the idea of eye flow in curvilinear
composition....that is well established. But this image has
multiple elements......the 'curvilinear', consisting of the sweep
of the river and its snowy bank and the downward curve of the
smaller branch; the 'angular' form of the very strong tree trunk
(angular compositional elements are used to denote power and
strength as opposed to curvilnear which suggests grace and beauty);
and then, you have the very strong inverted vee at the very top of
the picture. This inverted vee is the portion that I cropped out
because it interrupts that eye flow and tends to lock the eye at
the top of the image. Taking the vee out keeps the integrity of
the circular elements and allows the diagonal to be a part of the
sweep rather than conflict by ending at the top of the photograph.

Of course, as in all things art, much of this is entirely
subjective and depends on the viewer. I have seen paintings (and
photographs) rejected by one juried show that became best of show
winners when judged by another panel.

Bill's photograph is a great picture....I like it.....I just see it
a bit differently.
Regards,
****:)
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Bill C
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After looking at the before and after versions, I like the unmirrored version better.The slight darkening did bring out the colors nicely,though. I especially liked the peaceful morning mood. Thanks!
This time I went back and read the other comments....and I like
your photo better than the crop. If our eyes go from left to
right....mine followed the river....to the tree....where the tree,
with its arch, framed the scene, and drew me right back into it. I
love your composition!

It's interesting to see other views though....
Lucy
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thanks Lucy,no one noticed (or at least they didn't mention the sky change in the photo I posted here yesterday) see below

I didn't like the top part of the clouds I had picked out so I rotated the image 180 degrees the clouds in this photo are upside down, don't know if you can tell or not heh
http://www2.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=600807
This time I went back and read the other comments....and I like
your photo better than the crop. If our eyes go from left to
right....mine followed the river....to the tree....where the tree,
with its arch, framed the scene, and drew me right back into it. I
love your composition!

It's interesting to see other views though....
Lucy
Olympus C3-2-Z
pbase supporter http://www.pbase.com/lucy
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Bill C
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Bill,

That's what I like about being able to have discussions. You've got a great photograph there and I'm not knocking it in any way....it's just taking a different look at it. I do that to my own.....turn it over; crop this way and that; etc. Sometimes I like the changes; sometimes not. It's about exploring options.

I just wish I knew how to change skies!!! :D

Regards,
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Ok... sounds a bit like PS's "desaturate" sponge tool. Oddly, I don't think there's a direct opposite (saturate) brush tool.
That's rich, Inigo! :) Great line!

I use Paint Shop Pro 7. There is a feature that allows a "brush
tool" to selectively increase or decrease hue, as well as just
about every thing else, such as saturation; sharpness; RGB; blur;
lightness; etc. I assume PhotoShop has a similar tool.

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