F770 review up, feel free to ask questions!

They mentioned a problem with the white balance, is it bad in different lighting as well? I love my F30 and like it for it's color correctness and WB.

Also, how good is it's focus, focus detection in low light, and what is the aperture?

Hal
 
I got a 750EXR today to compare to my ZS-19 (ZS-20 without GPS). I was a LOT more from the Fuji. Wow was I surprised. ZS-19 has better detail. Fuji Flash is underpowered. And the Fuji video will make you think you have a defective camera. Like the other review I read, I can also confirm the video stutters when you pan the camera but even worse, it has MAJOR focusing problems when zooming during video. I couldn't get it to focus properly on anything when the lens was at 8x or higher. Completely unacceptable. Anyone satisfied with this new 750 or 770EXR would have to virtually not care at all about video IMHO.

The Fuji does WAY better at anything over ISO 800. The ZS-19 images are virtually unusable at ISO 1600 and up, way too much big yellow splotching. ISO 800 is borderline usable on the Panny but still pretty ugly compared to the Fuji and the Sony. But I rarely go above 400. One thing the Fuji had I miss on the ZS-19 is you can put it in Auto ISO mode and cap it. I wish I could cap the AUTO ISO on the ZS-19 at 400 or 800.

The flash on the Fuji is FUNKY. You have to really press hard on this tiny button on the side to get the flash to pop-up and it isn't motorized. I like that it doesn't pop-up automatically though. I like the rubberized feeling body too. Don't like the considerable heavier weight compared to the Panny though.

I also tested the following:

Canon SX260HS
Sony HX9V
Panasonic ZS-15

The Canon had the best image quality from a pixel peeping standpoint, but only barely over the Sony and Panasonics. It's focusing was slow and sometimes inaccurate though where the Panny was bulletproof. The Sony had slightly less detail than the ZS-15 or 19 but was the best camera in low light indoors and out.

The Cameralabs guys that picked the Fuji over the ZS19 are on crack in my opinion. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever. I was totally expecting/WANTING to keep the Fuji as it seemed to be a favorite amongst people finicky about IQ and the reviews regarding IQ were good.

If I wasn't able to color correct and clean up the ISO-400-800 images on the ZS-19 to rival the Sony, I would have bought the Sony. It was a VERY close second. The 4 second delay on the video rec startup was pretty brutal but the video was excellent. The Sony would have been perfect with just slightly less in-camera noise reduction (aka detail smearing). But I suppose the average user is not going to do any post processing. You just have to live with knowing you lost a little detail in exchange for convenience on no post-processing necessary (usually) on the Sony.

If anyone doubts how much of a disappointment the Fuji is compared to the Panny or Sony, simply go buy one at Amazon (use Warehouse deals if available and get a used one - tis 750 was brand new - too new to buy used yet) test it and send it back. It's no use to comment on a camera you've never used and compared shots with yourself (IMHO) as then you are just speculating/guessing.
 
I got a 750EXR today to compare to my ZS-19 (ZS-20 without GPS). I was a LOT more from the Fuji. Wow was I surprised. ZS-19 has better detail. Fuji Flash is underpowered. And the Fuji video will make you think you have a defective camera. Like the other review I read, I can also confirm the video stutters when you pan the camera but even worse, it has MAJOR focusing problems when zooming during video. I couldn't get it to focus properly on anything when the lens was at 8x or higher. Completely unacceptable. Anyone satisfied with this new 750 or 770EXR would have to virtually not care at all about video IMHO.

The Fuji does WAY better at anything over ISO 800. The ZS-19 images are virtually unusable at ISO 1600 and up, way too much big yellow splotching. ISO 800 is borderline usable on the Panny but still pretty ugly compared to the Fuji and the Sony. But I rarely go above 400. One thing the Fuji had I miss on the ZS-19 is you can put it in Auto ISO mode and cap it. I wish I could cap the AUTO ISO on the ZS-19 at 400 or 800.

The flash on the Fuji is FUNKY. You have to really press hard on this tiny button on the side to get the flash to pop-up and it isn't motorized. I like that it doesn't pop-up automatically though. I like the rubberized feeling body too. Don't like the considerable heavier weight compared to the Panny though.

I also tested the following:

Canon SX260HS
Sony HX9V
Panasonic ZS-15

The Canon had the best image quality from a pixel peeping standpoint, but only barely over the Sony and Panasonics. It's focusing was slow and sometimes inaccurate though where the Panny was bulletproof. The Sony had slightly less detail than the ZS-15 or 19 but was the best camera in low light indoors and out.

The Cameralabs guys that picked the Fuji over the ZS19 are on crack in my opinion. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever. I was totally expecting/WANTING to keep the Fuji as it seemed to be a favorite amongst people finicky about IQ and the reviews regarding IQ were good.

If I wasn't able to color correct and clean up the ISO-400-800 images on the ZS-19 to rival the Sony, I would have bought the Sony. It was a VERY close second. The 4 second delay on the video rec startup was pretty brutal but the video was excellent. The Sony would have been perfect with just slightly less in-camera noise reduction (aka detail smearing). But I suppose the average user is not going to do any post processing. You just have to live with knowing you lost a little detail in exchange for convenience on no post-processing necessary (usually) on the Sony.

If anyone doubts how much of a disappointment the Fuji is compared to the Panny or Sony, simply go buy one at Amazon (use Warehouse deals if available and get a used one - tis 750 was brand new - too new to buy used yet) test it and send it back. It's no use to comment on a camera you've never used and compared shots with yourself (IMHO) as then you are just speculating/guessing.
Thanks for giving us your experience.

Leaving aside high ISO/focusing/resolution for a moment, I'd be interested to hear how the DR compares between these cameras in strong daylight and particularly whether Pana's (instant 3 shot) HDR can match (or beat) the Fuji with say DR400% Medium setting.

Nick
 
The video was so horrendous that I'm not going to waste any time doing further image comparisons. It's unacceptable when every competing camera is more than capable of taking decent video. The lens motor is also one of the most audible I've heard. Too bad. Here's full wide ISO 100 outdoors. The Fuji has slightly less noise, barely, and the ZS-19 has slightly better detail. So if you don't care about the video, it still may be worth your while to give the 660/750/770 a try.

Video:

http://youtu.be/ZYNqbR1klss

I noticed the review video also demonstrates the issues quite well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5aAhbsPSGI# !







 
Leaving aside high ISO/focusing/resolution for a moment, I'd be interested to hear how the DR compares between these cameras in strong daylight and particularly whether Pana's (instant 3 shot) HDR can match (or beat) the Fuji with say DR400% Medium setting.
DCresource studied this question, although the shots are not directly comparable, and they have not yet (or never will) test the F770. Note that Pana HDR takes two shots so it will not work for action. PageDown scroll about 6 times:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_zs20-review/page-0,1

For the F550, PageDown scroll about 8 times.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_f550exr-review/look-and-feel
 
Thanks, but I was asking about Dynamic Range, not video.

You are one of the few around with both models and able to compare Pana's latest offering on DR with Fuji's EXR. Never mind, maybe someone else will do a comparison.

Nick
 
Leaving aside high ISO/focusing/resolution for a moment, I'd be interested to hear how the DR compares between these cameras in strong daylight and particularly whether Pana's (instant 3 shot) HDR can match (or beat) the Fuji with say DR400% Medium setting.
DCresource studied this question, although the shots are not directly comparable, and they have not yet (or never will) test the F770. Note that Pana HDR takes two shots so it will not work for action. PageDown scroll about 6 times:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/panasonic/dmc_zs20-review/page-0,1

For the F550, PageDown scroll about 8 times.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_f550exr-review/look-and-feel
Thanks, yes I've seen these, which is why I am wondering if Pana's latest has caught up with EXR DR - albeit with motion blur. A direct shoot out is needed.

Nick
 
consultant1027 wrote:

Leaving aside high ISO/focusing/resolution for a moment, I'd be interested to hear how the DR compares between these cameras in strong daylight and particularly whether Pana's (instant 3 shot) HDR can match (or beat) the Fuji with say DR400% Medium setting.
The fact is that the F550 through F770 can shoot RAW+JPG in PASM with DR400 (exceptions to low end versions of each model.) This works out to a very high DR (as in massive highlight recovery potential) that does not sacrifice details (in my experience.)

The only other camera that has a hope to really compete against that is the Canon with the RAW hacked firmware.

The others will be stomped to dust when someone skilled does the processing of detailed scenes ...

YMMV

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Thanks, yes I've seen these, which is why I am wondering if Pana's latest has caught up with EXR DR - albeit with motion blur. A direct shoot out is needed.
Try them both in RAW ...
LOL, as they say on cellphones. Panasonic HDR seems pretty good, if you are not shooting action, and even in default mode Panasonic is above average for DR.

Image quality of the TS20 is quite poor if you ask me, although video is certainly better than Fuji.
 
LOL, as they say on cellphones. Panasonic HDR seems pretty good, if you are not shooting action, and even in default mode Panasonic is above average for DR.

Image quality of the TS20 is quite poor if you ask me, although video is certainly better than Fuji.
I shoot Fujis in RAW for stills and I shoot Panny (ZS3) for video. Although the pick up videos on the 550 are perfectly fine if you know how to shoot the cam.

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Image quality of the TS20 is quite poor if you ask me, although video is certainly better than Fuji.
I'm curious what are all the factors you use to evaluate image quality of a camera? Noise? Detail? Dynamic Range? Color Balance? Low-light performance? Seems like you have to take quite a few criteria into account, no?

Based on those criteria, is there a camera in this same class (ultra-zoom compact) that produces significantly better images across most if not all criteria? Or is you comment just IQ in general compared to all cameras. If so, I'd agree, it isn't that great compared to larger sensor cameras or some compacts with much shorter zoom range. If you are saying poor relative to other cameras in the class, do you have some comparison images we can look at? Because if so, I'd like to know what camera it is so I make sure I've tested and compared all the options.

Frankly, I used to be 99% concerned about only evaluating image quality on cameras by pixel peeping over and over. What I found though was that in the field, under a variety of shooting conditions and scenarios, there was a lot more aspects to the camera that were more important than I gave them credit for. I typically read a lot of reviews, forum posts and compare a lot of images. But I've found, there is absolutely no substitute for actually using the camera yourself, especially in your most common shooting situations. I found that in the end, the quality of my photo/video library was maximized by using the camera with the best blend of image quality, video quality, ergonomics/speed, focusing reliability, pocketability, flash performance, settings/features, etc. Start-up speed for example was something that became evident was a lot more important than I thought. Image quality becomes a moot point if you miss the shot in the first place.

The Fuji is a really good camera if you throw out the video issues.

I should note the review referred to by the OP, the video shot demonstrates the issue, but they went really EASY on the camera in my opinion. They panned it very very slowly and when they did zoom in the zoomed in very slow and directly without any side to side movement. If they would have zoomed, then panned, it would really make the camera's video performance look really bad.
 
Image quality of the ZS20 is quite poor if you ask me, although video is certainly better than Fuji.
I'm curious what are all the factors you use to evaluate image quality of a camera? Noise? Detail? Dynamic Range? Color Balance? Low-light performance? ... Based on those criteria, is there a camera in this same class (ultra-zoom compact) that produces significantly better images across most if not all criteria?
Comparing the inside church scene in the respective DCresource galleries, the F550 is much better in most regards. The ZS20 has ugly yellow splotching on the semi-illuminated white ceiling.

Although the ZS20 does commendably well in the purple fringing tunnel. So it does seem like Panny finally equaled the ZS3, maybe.
 
Thanks, yes I've seen these, which is why I am wondering if Pana's latest has caught up with EXR DR - albeit with motion blur. A direct shoot out is needed.
Try them both in RAW ...
Pana doesn't have RAW
My point exactly.
Understood. Like others I follow DR/EXR discussions here fairly closely but I missed (your inference?) that RAW adds even more DR on the F series.

Nick
 
Understood. Like others I follow DR/EXR discussions here fairly closely but I missed (your inference?) that RAW adds even more DR on the F series.
RAW is always good for some improvement. I think 1/2 to 1 stop is the typical range. So add that onto what you already get in JPEG and it can be pretty impressive ...

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http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
I agree. The yellow splotching is the only significant downside of the ZS-19/20 but it only is a factor at ISO800 and above. Frankly, these size cameras with their small sensors are really not the appropriate tool to be taking high ISO800+ photos with.

I will say the Sony HX90V was a close second to the ZS19/20 but did better in low light with less noise at high ISO. The video is excellent (much much better than the Fuji) as is the color balance. However overall, after shooting with all these cameras, the Panasonic had the best feature set and performance, all things considered, with extra wait for my own personal use on daylight low ISO image quality, speed, auto-focus reliability, and video quality.
Image quality of the ZS20 is quite poor if you ask me, although video is certainly better than Fuji.
I'm curious what are all the factors you use to evaluate image quality of a camera? Noise? Detail? Dynamic Range? Color Balance? Low-light performance? ... Based on those criteria, is there a camera in this same class (ultra-zoom compact) that produces significantly better images across most if not all criteria?
Comparing the inside church scene in the respective DCresource galleries, the F550 is much better in most regards. The ZS20 has ugly yellow splotching on the semi-illuminated white ceiling.

Although the ZS20 does commendably well in the purple fringing tunnel. So it does seem like Panny finally equaled the ZS3, maybe.
 
I will say the Sony HX90V was a close second to the ZS19/20 but did better in low light with less noise at high ISO. The video is excellent (much much better than the Fuji) as is the color balance. However overall, after shooting with all these cameras, the Panasonic had the best feature set ...
I will have to pay attention to the HX90V. Is this same as the HX20V?

Thought it was a superzoom bridge camera, but it looks like a compact.

For me, yellow splotching at ISO 800 is a show stopper. Moreover, the ZS20 shows yellow splotching even at ISO 400 in the DCresource gallery shot.
 

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