S602 White balance

Hello Jan,

It is much better to set the white balance in the camera and use post-processing to correct more subtle tonal issues, brightness and contrast.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Often my photos have a red cast and there have sometimes been quite
sitinct colour casts to photos taken in different light situations.
So I've become aware of this issue. This may seem a naive question
but how do white balance corrections in software like Paintbrush
compare to using a white balance tool before taking the pic.

Jan.
Here's my explanation:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=3656514

Caius is correct, stay away from that salesman.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Went to my local camera store to buy a 18% gray card. Asked for
the gray card and was told by the saleman that gray paper cannot be
used for digital cameras to set the white balance. Said I would be
wasting my money if I bought it as it is used for SLR's only. Would
you be kind enough to confirm that I can us the 18% gray card for
my s602z
thanks...mapucaboy
18% gray card, as can be obtained from your local photo shop, were
created with the expressed purpose of measuring exposure or setting
white balance. As such, the tonal range of the gray card is very
well controlled and is designed to reflect back 18% of the light
that hit it. In other words, control.
--
Began working life as professional 'stills' photographer for film
company. My dad was a photo-amateur so I'm happy to have it in the
blood.
 
"built into a lens cap"? Meaning you don't have to carry it separately, you can just use it as a lens cap? I hope that question doesn't come across as stupid as it sounds....

I don't have my manual here, can you save the custom white balance setting? So the next time you use the camera you can use the presets or call up your saved custom setting? Not that that would work for all scenarios, obviously, but I was wondering. Also, do you find that the auto white balance is better with external flash vs on-board? My photos indoors with on-board flash are too yellow, I was going to go with an external flash, but perhaps the expo/disk is a better investment right now?

-CHUCK-
--
Fuji 602z
HP 7550
Still trying to make sense of it all.....
Is it really worth 50 bucks?
That's one you'll have to answer for yourself, but for the
convenience alone, yes, I think it is worth the price. Judging
from their website, you'd think otherwise, but the Expo/Disc is a
high quality product.
I didn't quite follow how you use it. Do you screw or hold it over the lens ...
The Expo/Disc does not have any threads. I think this is done
because some people (as the article on their website mentions) buy
the biggest sized disc (72mm) and just hold it in front of the lens.
 
After taking my 602 on holiday to Greece i came to print some and
found many that were taken in overcast conditions (it was October)
had a definite blue cast to them. I assumed this was due to the
print cartridge cyan ink being a bit too strong (it is an Epson 900
with cheap non epson cartridges in it) so knocked the cyan levels
down at print time. On further examination in PS i found that the
white balance was wrong in the originals and areas that shoul have
been grey had blue levels higher than should be.

Photos taken in very good light were OK but there was still a
slight imbalance

Now I do know how to correct this but i don't particularly want to
have to evaluate every shot to establish what correction should be
necesary and yes I do know how to automate this with
actions/droplets. So I started taking some photos of white paper
and the results were quite enlightening. I dull daylight they were
blue, in fluorescent they were yellow. So i took my camera in to
Jessops in Nottingham where i bought it from and took some with a
brand new S602 (the PRo this time) and the results were the same. I
should mention that (obviously) i had the white balance set to auto
all through these shots and the tests as I thought the camera white
balance would be set in camera automatically.

I telephoned Fuji tech support and their comment was that the auto
white balance was not very good and it was best not to rely on
it!!!!.

SO it looks like I will have to carry a piece of white paper with
me where ever I go just to check the white balance. :-)

I would be interested to hear about other experiences regarding
white balance and what the lighting conditions are that it is OK to
rely on auto and those (natural) light conditions where it is
essential to compensate either before or after the shot.

I do like the manual options available with the 602 but sometimes
like on holiday I would prefer to just point and shoot.

Thanks

Hywel Harris
I highly doubt that the support center told you that. They may of advised you that if you want to just point and shot to keep it in the auto mode. If you want more control of your camera than you should keep in manual and adjust the wht balance accordiinly in which atmosphere your shooting in.

Fujiman (:x
 
Hello
"built into a lens cap"? Meaning you don't have to carry it
separately, you can just use it as a lens cap? I hope that question
doesn't come across as stupid as it sounds....
Yes that's correct, it doubles as a lens cap and has a strap on it.
I don't have my manual here, can you save the custom white balance
setting? So the next time you use the camera you can use the
presets or call up your saved custom setting?
Yes
Not that that would
work for all scenarios, obviously, but I was wondering. Also, do
you find that the auto white balance is better with external flash
vs on-board?
Custom balance is most certainly better with external flash IMO.
My photos indoors with on-board flash are too yellow,
I was going to go with an external flash, but perhaps the expo/disk
is a better investment right now?
A custom WB will help you with this and you should get good results just using white paper. Certainly experiment with that first.
regards
Ian
-CHUCK-
--
Fuji 602z
HP 7550
Still trying to make sense of it all.....
Is it really worth 50 bucks?
That's one you'll have to answer for yourself, but for the
convenience alone, yes, I think it is worth the price. Judging
from their website, you'd think otherwise, but the Expo/Disc is a
high quality product.
I didn't quite follow how you use it. Do you screw or hold it over the lens ...
The Expo/Disc does not have any threads. I think this is done
because some people (as the article on their website mentions) buy
the biggest sized disc (72mm) and just hold it in front of the lens.
--
6900
 
Here's my explanation:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=3656514

Caius is correct, stay away from that salesman.

Timothy Dunnigan
http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Went to my local camera store to buy a 18% gray card. Asked for
the gray card and was told by the saleman that gray paper cannot be
used for digital cameras to set the white balance. Said I would be
wasting my money if I bought it as it is used for SLR's only. Would
you be kind enough to confirm that I can us the 18% gray card for
my s602z
thanks...mapucaboy
18% gray card, as can be obtained from your local photo shop, were
created with the expressed purpose of measuring exposure or setting
white balance. As such, the tonal range of the gray card is very
well controlled and is designed to reflect back 18% of the light
that hit it. In other words, control.
 
Hi Caius

Went to my local camera store to buy a 18% gray card. Asked for
the gray card and was told by the saleman that gray paper cannot be
used for digital cameras to set the white balance. Said I would be
wasting my money if I bought it as it is used for SLR's only. Would
you be kind enough to confirm that I can us the 18% gray card for
my s602z
thanks...mapucaboy
Hi,

I was told exactly the same-thing (no good for digital cameras) by a salesman at my local camera store (Percival Cameras).

Having read a while ago in this forum that the 18% gray card was the best option to achieve the correct white balance, I decided to get one and try it out.

But, up-to now I must admit I haven't managed to achieve any success with it. I ended up getting the Delta 18% gray card which is suppose to be one of the best? I haven't given up just yet....I think it's just a case of knowing the correct way to use it?

The expert advice given in this forum about the gray card is based on other users experience with an identical camera to mine, so it's almost certain i'm doing something wrong somewhere along the line?

Best regards,

Del
 
Del,

I've outlined a quick step-by-step in another thread. Have a look. It's real easy.

What kind of problems are you having? Walk us through your process and let's see if we can spot anything.

\\ Caius
Hi Caius

Went to my local camera store to buy a 18% gray card. Asked for
the gray card and was told by the saleman that gray paper cannot be
used for digital cameras to set the white balance. Said I would be
wasting my money if I bought it as it is used for SLR's only. Would
you be kind enough to confirm that I can us the 18% gray card for
my s602z
thanks...mapucaboy
Hi,

I was told exactly the same-thing (no good for digital cameras) by
a salesman at my local camera store (Percival Cameras).

Having read a while ago in this forum that the 18% gray card was
the best option to achieve the correct white balance, I decided to
get one and try it out.

But, up-to now I must admit I haven't managed to achieve any
success with it. I ended up getting the Delta 18% gray card which
is suppose to be one of the best? I haven't given up just yet....I
think it's just a case of knowing the correct way to use it?

The expert advice given in this forum about the gray card is based
on other users experience with an identical camera to mine, so it's
almost certain i'm doing something wrong somewhere along the line?

Best regards,

Del
 
I will review my pics after taking a few and i will often take the camera out of AUTO WB and choose one based on current conditions... although conditions change I sometimes forget to which is a pain... I have never set up a custom WB yet... dont think that I have really had to.

--
regards
Damian

http://www.pbase.com/damned
 
Del,

I've outlined a quick step-by-step in another thread. Have a look.
It's real easy.

What kind of problems are you having? Walk us through your process
and let's see if we can spot anything.

\\ Caius
Basically all I've done so far is set the custom white balance using the gray card as you would using an ordinary white sheet of paper. The problem is trying to eliminate shadows on the card.

I've tried tilting the card at slight angles to try an avoid getting shadows cast from internal lighting. But I didn't know about setting the focus on the outer edge of the card before setting the balance....I'll give that a go later tonight and see what results I get from your suggestion?

Also, at least one other mistake I seem to have made is by not taking the card over to the subject, and then set the white balance. All I've done is set the white balance from where I intend to take the shot. The results using my method have been pretty poor...ie colours are completely out.

I'm also using an omni-bounce with the Vivitar 283 when trying to set the white balance. I haven't had the flash that long, so I'm experimenting with different settings to try and improve things, but up-to now all I seem to be doing is making a pigs ear of things:)

Thanks for posting your advice in the other thread, I'll give it a go later tonight and let you know how it went?

Best regards,

Del
 
I have a 602 and have been experimenting with various white balance settings with some success. How do cameras with no custom white balance settings adjust for different conditions? I have friends with an Olympus and Fuji 2800 that ake good pictures in different conditions.

Thanks Brian>
 
Hello Jan,

It is much better to set the white balance in the camera and use
post-processing to correct more subtle tonal issues, brightness and
contrast.

Timothy Dunnigan
Thanks for settingme straight Tim. I downloaded BigWaveDave's originalo pics and postprocessed them and saw just how fat it distorted tonal/brightness/contrast but I can't upload the results for others to see
so I now know how right you are.

http://www.helpforfamilies.com/photos/index.htm
http://www.pbase.com/tdunnigan/
Often my photos have a red cast and there have sometimes been quite
sitinct colour casts to photos taken in different light situations.
So I've become aware of this issue. This may seem a naive question
but how do white balance corrections in software like Paintbrush
compare to using a white balance tool before taking the pic.

Jan.
Hello mapucaboy,

Here's my explanation:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=3656514

Caius is correct, stay away from that salesman.
 

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