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Yep! NiMh AA seem to increase capacity each year now...

Don't like the swich idea though on the older MS - seems abit 'bodgy'
to me
 
Not for me. Fiddling around changing 4 AA's were a real PIA . Having to keep 3-4 sets in the bag ,matched up, rotated, and charged so often were a real drag. The info lith batt is simply unbeatable. However, why would anyone base a camera buying decision on a battery type ?
If the 717 used AA's I would still buy it.
John
Piasoft said:
Yep! NiMh AA seem to increase capacity each year now...

Don't like the swich idea though on the older MS - seems abit 'bodgy'
to me
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The InfoLithium battery is SO MUCH BETTER than using 4AA cells that I don't think I would willingly go backwards to them.

Not only does the battery last for 4 hours, but you know when it is going to stop working. Compare that to dealing with a gaggle of NImH that last 1/4 as long and go out at the most inopportune time!

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Not to mention Ni-MH dies real quick in the cold... Good to hear Sony didn't just release MS Pro w/o having some products on the market that secretly suported it already :-)
 
Boo, hiss! I LIKE the infolithium batteries! They are long lasting and let you know to-the-minute battery life remaining--a feature I rely on regularly to get that last shot or two!
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

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Heheh... not exactly a new realization. This new stick has been in development for years, in partnership with several other companies such as Sandisk and Lexar.

The 128MB sticks still continue to serve their purpose for the bulk of the Sony cameras that are out there, able to hold 100 images at full resolution, Standard compression.
Mad Hatter said:
I guess even Sony had to realize that few people want to put up
with 128k overpriced memorystick bull ....
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Ulysses
 
I'm sorry, but I would never trade my double A's for any proprietary, overpriced battery. Sure, they have their drawbacks but they are CHEAP and, the best feature is that 7-11 sells them. My s602 lasts four hours on good nimh's, which is roughly equal to the infolithium. If I run out, I have 2 more sets I bought for 10 bucks each. If I run out of those, I can pick up some duracells. Who can argue with that?

pokesfan
Tuba Paul said:
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
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Mirafone S186-B, Cleveland Musical Instrument B-flat Sousaphone,
USALINE Grand Rapids Instrument Company Silver E-flat, Yamaha
YEP-642, Bach 42-B w/Sterling Bell and F-trigger, DEG flueglehorn,
Holton cornet w/shepherd's crook... oh, and a few cameras.
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I guess you don't use your AA's in cold weather. I have 5 sets of 1800 AA and while in Europe last month I had to use all five sets everyday.

My current camera is the first I have had in a long time that takes AA's and will be my last. Lithium battieries are much easier to travel with and make a quick change. On my Canon G1 I had two batteries and I could take pictures all day using the LCD. I am amazed that the additional cost of $40 for a second battery is such a big deal to most people.

On the other had I will never buy a Sony camera with a MS. Just because there is no reason for the MS to exist except for Sony to get additional revenue from the memory (I am sure Lexar and Sansdisk pay a royalty). There was no reason for Sony not to use CF for SM in their cameras.

Ed
pokesfan said:
pokesfan
Tuba Paul said:
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
Click to expand...
--
Mirafone S186-B, Cleveland Musical Instrument B-flat Sousaphone,
USALINE Grand Rapids Instrument Company Silver E-flat, Yamaha
YEP-642, Bach 42-B w/Sterling Bell and F-trigger, DEG flueglehorn,
Holton cornet w/shepherd's crook... oh, and a few cameras.
Click to expand...
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Ed
Canon EOS 3, Sony D700, Canon G1, Canon S330, Minolta D7i
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I don't agree, sometime early last year Sony published a roadmap for increased capacities of Memory Sticks, I don't recall any mention of that the new higher capacity MS would not be usable in Sony digicams wich were current at that time. Select seems like a workaround kludge to me.

I have never seen anything before on that the original MS format had a 128MB addressing limit. Maybe Sony didn't know either.
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
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Finnur Hrafn Jonsson
 
Azrifel:
I've ruled out many cameras solely because they do not use Lithium batteries.
NiMh will NEVER ever catch up with Lithium.

M.M.
 
So how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

I find it amusing that anyone should argue about Lithium vs NiMH batteries at all. In the S602 and the Sony F717 they last exactly the same length of time - about 4 hours. Who cares? When its this bad we are all in the same leaky boat. The battery in my Maxxum 700 lasted 150 DAYS and nearly 1500 exposures - AF, motor drive, flash and all.

Until they get a handle on CCD power consumption or start shipping AA sized fuel cells we are all going to have to put up with cameras that wont last more than a couple of days camping in the mountains. Unless they invent walking boots with a battery charger that is.

Steve
Me Mine said:
Azrifel:
I've ruled out many cameras solely because they do not use Lithium
batteries.
NiMh will NEVER ever catch up with Lithium.

M.M.
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I have devices that use NiMH AAs--one of them (a pda) came out with a LiON battery pack, and it had a much longer life than the NiMH's did in the same device. Also, I use my Sony camera in the winter alot, something I wouldn't be able to do with the same level of convenience and comfort with NiMH.
pokesfan said:
pokesfan
Tuba Paul said:
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
Click to expand...
--
Mirafone S186-B, Cleveland Musical Instrument B-flat Sousaphone,
USALINE Grand Rapids Instrument Company Silver E-flat, Yamaha
YEP-642, Bach 42-B w/Sterling Bell and F-trigger, DEG flueglehorn,
Holton cornet w/shepherd's crook... oh, and a few cameras.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--

Mirafone S186-B, Cleveland Musical Instrument B-flat Sousaphone, USALINE Grand Rapids Instrument Company Silver E-flat, Yamaha YEP-642, Bach 42-B w/Sterling Bell and F-trigger, DEG flueglehorn, Holton cornet w/shepherd's crook... oh, and a few cameras.
 
must be reassuring to sony customers to know that their storage media is just a year or so behind ;)

And after all isnt it cool to have a switch on the media? ;)
Ulysses said:
The 128MB sticks still continue to serve their purpose for the
bulk of the Sony cameras that are out there, able to hold 100
images at full resolution, Standard compression.
Mad Hatter said:
I guess even Sony had to realize that few people want to put up
with 128k overpriced memorystick bull ....
Click to expand...
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Ulysses
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It has nothing to do with how long they last or how they perform in the winter.

I have 5 Sony infolithiums that failed, unrepairable info-chip malfunctions. Sony didn't know how it could happen and while they did their best in trying to solve the problem, they didn't find the solution.

The sixth has problems as well. And they failed at the most important moments. From a load of 80 to death, not empty, death. Imagine shooting someone's 50th birthday party with the adaptor hooked up to an extension cable. :-((((( ( I am 25 btw)

That's why I dont TRUST Infolithiums and hate prop. batteries. Especially because I intend to travel a lot to very remote places. For my peace of mind I would have to take three or four batteries with me and I still wouldn't trust them. The P1 may be a simple point and shoot, it was priced as an 707 when I bought it (just out) and it was supposed to be replaced by the 707 or its replacement (turned out to be a 717).

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
 
Matthew Cromer said:
The InfoLithium battery is SO MUCH BETTER than using 4AA cells that
I don't think I would willingly go backwards to them.

Not only does the battery last for 4 hours, but you know when it is
going to stop working. Compare that to dealing with a gaggle of
NImH that last 1/4 as long and go out at the most inopportune time!
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You shouldn't compare to the D7 range. That camera produces more heat waste then photo's. There are certain camera's that do very well on NiMh's or else I wouldn't have bought a 602. They fit in my flash as well.

I can almost feel when they are going to die (camera usage experience, you just know), so I can replace them before important things are going to happen.

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Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
 
You have apparently had bad experience with the infolithiums. The lithium ion batteries I have used have been absolutely excellent. They do last only about two years, but during that two year period they have performed flawlessly.

Considering that most people seem to have experience closer to mine than to yours, I would not expect most camera manufacturers to go backwards and use AA's again.
Azrifel said:
It has nothing to do with how long they last or how they perform in
the winter.

I have 5 Sony infolithiums that failed, unrepairable info-chip
malfunctions. Sony didn't know how it could happen and while they
did their best in trying to solve the problem, they didn't find the
solution.
The sixth has problems as well. And they failed at the most
important moments. From a load of 80 to death, not empty, death.
Imagine shooting someone's 50th birthday party with the adaptor
hooked up to an extension cable. :-((((( ( I am 25 btw)

That's why I dont TRUST Infolithiums and hate prop. batteries.
Especially because I intend to travel a lot to very remote places.
For my peace of mind I would have to take three or four batteries
with me and I still wouldn't trust them. The P1 may be a simple
point and shoot, it was priced as an 707 when I bought it (just
out) and it was supposed to be replaced by the 707 or its
replacement (turned out to be a 717).

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
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http://huckleberrypie.com
CP995, S330
 
I wish Sony had just gone w/ SD from the beginning. I love some of their gadgets but have already invested in CF and SD. SD's smaller, have had bigger capacities much sooner, supported in more non-Sony devices, is a unified format w/o having to deal w/ multiple variations and compatibility problems (MS, MagicGate, MS Duo, MS Pro, MS Select Function).

Anyways, how will MemStick Pro affect MemStick Duo (the small-size answer to SD)? Will we also have MS Duo Pro and MS Duo Select Function?
Azrifel said:
Good news.
Now the only thing to be done by Sony is drop Infolithium in favour
of NiMh AA's and I'll be a happy Sony customer again.

--
Sander [Fuji602 SonyP1]
http://www.azrifel.org
http://www.pbase.com/azrifel/
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