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E-M5 - the pro-spec E-6x0 - three years and one mirror late
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Perhaps. But I will believe it, when I see it. What this system definitely does not need is huge heavy lenses trying to match their HG/SHG 4/3 analogs, which were admittedly very good optically, but completely bonkers from the point of view of playing to the strength of the system (and price too).
Big Ga
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Hmmm.
Well, I had a few early panny MFT bodies, but then I bought a G3 specifically to see what the focus was like with the original FT lenses (and especially the 50-200). Image quality is exceptional. Better than I was expecting and I had high hopes to start with. I also confirmed my suspicions as to how totally and utterly useless the focus accuracy is on the majority of conventional FT bodies! (in fact, its made me even angrier than normal at Oly and the fanboys that claim there is nothing wrong!! its so pants compared to the competition as to be untrue - and accurate CDAF has just proved it!!).
Anyway, since the G3, I've picked up a G2 and GH2 and all three of these cameras work to a point AF wise with the 50-200 in terms of accuracy (and IQ is superb on all), but the speed really is bordering on the unusable - and I'm only using this stuff for static subjects and walkaround snaps - its driving me insane just doing this, there is no way in hell I'd be able to put up with it for any other sort of shooting with say an animal or person moving. One of the reasons I got the GH2 in the end, was the ability to isolate the focus from the front shutter button to the rear AEL button, but even doing that hasn't really improved using AF on the FT lenses as much as I'd hoped. There is a line where something is bordering on usable or not. AF with the 50-200 is currently on the wrong side of the line I'm afraid, much as I don't want it to be. I've tried the EM5 focus with an original FT lens (albeit not the 50-200) and I didn't notice much, if any difference from using my panny bodies, so I'm not holding out much hope on the AF performance being improved. The only thing the EM5 would give me (and I agree this might be a biggie, which is why I'm so interested) is IBIS. However if Oly managed to come out with an E7 with more consistent focusing but the same IBIS as the E30 even, then it would be a BILLION ZILLION times less frustrating than actually using lenses like the 50-200 via the current PDAF implementation on MFT.
(although in real life, I suspect that the frustration would simply be shifted from USING the camera, to VIEWING the images back on the computer, where my experience so far is that the MFT cams stomp all over anything FT in terms of consistency).
Rant over
You can tell I shot with an E30 over the weekend can't you LOL ....
jim stirling
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My my there seems to be a number of cowardly sockpuppets posting in recent weeks some like you even posting in the same thread as your true id . If you are going to pretend to be someone else at least change the record see you aroundExactly. Some who were treating the E-system like trash at the time, always complaining that other systems were better, now are in deep mourning, objecting to the fact that we toast and drink to the deceased.
Or perhaps they are in a hurry to bury m4/3 too, since it will never match their expectations as great photographers and opinion leaders
The sensor should always be the worst of the lot, the new lenses are bottleglass, the bodies are too small, the buttons are too fiddly, these wannabe Pros are telling us.
And when real Pros from other sites tell us that m4/3 is perfectly acceptable in many work environments, they stomp their feet and begin to cry even worse, smearing those poor b@stards as much they can
Agony aunts all the way...
Do you mean the 7-14 mm f/4? Because that is the only zoom I currently own.
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Stirling this is your other nick you were using just last weekMy my there seems to be a number of cowardly sockpuppets posting in recent weeks some like you even posting in the same thread as your true id . If you are going to pretend to be someone else at least change the record see you aroundExactly. Some who were treating the E-system like trash at the time, always complaining that other systems were better, now are in deep mourning, objecting to the fact that we toast and drink to the deceased.
Or perhaps they are in a hurry to bury m4/3 too, since it will never match their expectations as great photographers and opinion leaders
The sensor should always be the worst of the lot, the new lenses are bottleglass, the bodies are too small, the buttons are too fiddly, these wannabe Pros are telling us.
And when real Pros from other sites tell us that m4/3 is perfectly acceptable in many work environments, they stomp their feet and begin to cry even worse, smearing those poor b@stards as much they can
Agony aunts all the way...
http://www.dpreview.com/members/3295912855
here you are in the same thread as your 'true ID'
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=41364434
of course I've filed against you
'see you around' as they say
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ROTFL. Last week I was on 'holidays', courtesy of our masters, for having fought a pitched battle against a coven of trolls at 1022.
So for a week I had to wear some old summer clothes, which happens very rarely.
BTW the aforementioned coven came entirely from this forum, being led by Great Bustard and his denizens. Did you guys here pay for their school trip?
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So for a week I had to wear some old summer clothes, which happens very rarely.
BTW the aforementioned coven came entirely from this forum, being led by Great Bustard and his denizens. Did you guys here pay for their school trip?
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Actually I think the prefered way isn't too far from my own prefered way, zooms to cover "everything" and a few primes to handle low light, portrait and other interesting stuff.
The std. lenses were never going to cut it anyway. They are far too big for what they do, they are slow zooms without any advantage, the mFT SG lenses are small and light.
I don't know how much money Olympus (or anyone?) makes from kit lenses? I would doubt it is much, as they are usually bundled up for abound 100$ which isn't much to produce the glass even if the rest is cheap plastics...
Really? There have not been 18 month between the past releases, why should they start now?
And in making a PDAF-on-sensor camera that can take both m43 and 43 lenses they could easily add it above the E-M5, possibly taking up a scaled DSLR body (NiCannon like Panasonic) bundle it with the weathersealed adapter and call it E-6 with all the features of the E-5 just without the mirror and OVF...
bobn2
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Inspector Bogus strikes again. Let's see your evidence that this nick is him.Stirling this is your other nick you were using just last weekMy my there seems to be a number of cowardly sockpuppets posting in recent weeks some like you even posting in the same thread as your true id . If you are going to pretend to be someone else at least change the record see you aroundExactly. Some who were treating the E-system like trash at the time, always complaining that other systems were better, now are in deep mourning, objecting to the fact that we toast and drink to the deceased.
Or perhaps they are in a hurry to bury m4/3 too, since it will never match their expectations as great photographers and opinion leaders
The sensor should always be the worst of the lot, the new lenses are bottleglass, the bodies are too small, the buttons are too fiddly, these wannabe Pros are telling us.
And when real Pros from other sites tell us that m4/3 is perfectly acceptable in many work environments, they stomp their feet and begin to cry even worse, smearing those poor b@stards as much they can
Agony aunts all the way...
http://www.dpreview.com/members/3295912855
here you are in the same thread as your 'true ID'
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=41364434
of course I've filed against you
'see you around' as they say
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jim stirling
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Dearie me look at the abusers who come a calling when the light gets pointed. Feeling a little guilty boys how is cocute getting on rriley.As ever your detective work is more defective than effective .Imagine could you be running to post in defence of a chum? Unlike you and your italian chum i have no need to hide behind sockpuppets as i do not have anything that is abusive to hide, how did complaining (well whining like a baby) ork out for you the last time.
You will not be able to play the same games that you used to destroy 1022 here. For starters there is more than one system represented in the forum. And way too many folk know exactly whatyou are like same with your chum. I never named any names just made an observation though the response of you both makes it pretty clear who the sockpuppet is. Now why dont you go play with those who like to interact with you and leave the rest of us alone. I never mentioned your name and yet you chose to jump in with the usual bs. So i have made my point and will not respond further and if you leave me alone i will be happy to leave you alone.
You will not be able to play the same games that you used to destroy 1022 here. For starters there is more than one system represented in the forum. And way too many folk know exactly whatyou are like same with your chum. I never named any names just made an observation though the response of you both makes it pretty clear who the sockpuppet is. Now why dont you go play with those who like to interact with you and leave the rest of us alone. I never mentioned your name and yet you chose to jump in with the usual bs. So i have made my point and will not respond further and if you leave me alone i will be happy to leave you alone.
jim stirling
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Or to put it another way you were banned because of abusive posts
I am on actual holiday and ihave hardly posted in the past couple of weeks. I noticed several sockpuppet posts not just this one. And typically most sockpuppets sign up to continue their ongoing feuds though according to others it seems i set up a fake idto be polite to several posters go figure.BTW the aforementioned coven came entirely from this forum, being led by Great Bustard and his denizens. Did you guys here pay for their school trip?
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It was released six months after the EP1, when the lack of EVF was hurting EP1 sales. And all it had was the addition of the EVF. That's a bit risky, ticking off existing owners (like me), but in the end, it worked. As well, the EPL1, a smash hit, followed six months after the EP2.
Olympus is quite capable of reacting quickly to market conditions, and they are serious about M43.
Were it not for the slower AF, I'd be in heaven with HG ZD on the EM5. As it is, I'm standing at the gates. Going from MZD zoom to HG ZD is about like going from EP1 to EM5 - the limitations you were struggling with are now gone, replaced with world class performance.
Fix this, Olympus. Do a firmware flash for the lenses that's specific to M43 if you have to. You have a huge head start, now is the time to pour on the speed.
Olympus is quite capable of reacting quickly to market conditions, and they are serious about M43.
Were it not for the slower AF, I'd be in heaven with HG ZD on the EM5. As it is, I'm standing at the gates. Going from MZD zoom to HG ZD is about like going from EP1 to EM5 - the limitations you were struggling with are now gone, replaced with world class performance.
Fix this, Olympus. Do a firmware flash for the lenses that's specific to M43 if you have to. You have a huge head start, now is the time to pour on the speed.
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jim stirling
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Or insane
i am on holiday with a crap connection and using my daughters ipad so no more from me god i hate touch screens
bobn2
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The specialist holidays they do now! There's something to suit every interest these days.
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Allow me to recap the billions of pixels that already gave their lives to this godawful endless Battle of the Somme Zooms.
- Zooms of sufficient quality can replace a kit of primes and even be superior for some purposes. The idea that a zoom cannot do a pro-quality job is a lingering prejudice from the Reagan years when zooms all blew goats.
- Micro four thirds has a superior wide zoom and decent long zooms that substitute for the system's non-existent long primes, but (so far) it has no normal zoom that can compete with its best prime lenses.
- Primes of sufficient quality can do a finite but nontrivial number of things that zooms do not. For example: ultra-narrow DOF, perspective control, very close macro.
- Plus, if a user is willing to limit focal length flexibility somewhat, he or she can save weight and money in buying one or two very good primes.
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