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Any other M9 users considering switching to Fuji X-Pro 1?

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MilSooper said:
Am I thinking of selling my M9P for a Fuji?
No ... I am not.
If I were to sell it for a Fuji camera I should have my a$$ removed.
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Because if you actually did have your "a$$" somehow surgically "remove", at least you'd more than likely have just enough extra $$$$$$ from selling your M whatever to not only purchase the Fuji X-Pro 1, but hopefully have enough left over to pay for most of the delicate "a$$ removing" procedure.
 
RealXenuis said:
"Apr 19, 2012 07:02:20

Interestingly I see you haven't posted any pictures to the forum but we both know why don't we. Do you ever travel?

Seriously though, why are you on the Leica forum if you're such a Fuji fanboy. You ain't going to convince anyone there you know. Are you on commission? They could all afford a Fuji whatever if they wanted
Neil

PS People spell quite differently in other countries but you probably do not understand that. After all you are from Texas so or so you say. Have a nice day now big boy ya' hear!"

What does posting pics have anything to do with my opinion?
Fanboy? This is my first Fuji....
The question was about the XP1. Pretty sure they were soliciting conviction.
PS: what are you talking about??

Neil, you sound like a turd, I'll be honest. But mostly, you're just incompetent. Forums are not for this sort of thing. Now that everyone can see what you're like (if they don't already know), I'd appreciate you not contact me privately about anything, much less such a childish attempt to make yourself feel better. Agree?
Neil said:
RealXenuis said:
Couldn't agree more. My wife is getting jealous. She's caught me fondling it several times, and occasionally I'll just stare at it.
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Sounds like that's not all your fondling Willie Wonker!

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Neil
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Yes, Neil does like to send unsolicited PM's to people he perceives don't have the same unhealthy love for the camera he does.
 
MilSooper said:
Now he compares Fuji to an M9.
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I agreed with you that comparing objectively 3 grand system to a 30 grand system is a tough consideration. That is the key factor however.

If Leica M system would deliver AF addendum to a MF capability and costs double of XPro1 system the discussion would be obvious for anybody.

My major concern regarding M (I do care about M for low light candids with Noctilux exclusively) is absence of auto-focus. Paying many grands for a brilliant ultrafast lens without reliable ability using it wide-opened is obvious craziness for a photographer who cannot afford miss a snap or getting 80% of snaps being out of precise focus. It might be perfectly OK however for a rich amateur who go out just for recreation to take a picture of something that might came out nice or might not or using it indoors for a family needs.

I do no think that selling M9 system that is in use already for XPro 1 makes real sense. But IMHO getting into digital M from scratch makes no sense right now either.
 
It is not about the money.
 
The Leica M is so well liked by those who use them because it is NOT auto focus.
The optical rangefinder is what it's all about.
It has it's limitations - and that's where it's time to use a different camera.

I waited for the Xpro1 launch details, then decided to upgrade my film Ms to a M9P and the equally small Olympus O-MD to fill the gaps you mention.

No worthy photographer would expect to take 'snaps' with a 50mm lens at f/1 on any camera and succeed.
lxstorm said:
My major concern regarding M (I do care about M for low light candids with Noctilux exclusively) is absence of auto-focus. Paying many grands for a brilliant ultrafast lens without reliable ability using it wide-opened is obvious craziness for a photographer who cannot afford miss a snap or getting 80% of snaps being out of precise focus.
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Only to neophytes.
I drop more than that in Cigars.
Leica is not for you.
 
Mauro...to answer your question...no, I am not a lawyer...but clearly you are not either. Your counterpoints were so weak that I cannot bring myself to waste my time in pointing them out to you; further to that it looks like others here already have.

Cheers.
 
I have both an M9 and an X-Pro 1. And also a Ricoh GXR / A12-M.

Whether you prefer one or the other depends upon what you shoot and how you shoot. From my perspective each has its strengths and weaknesses.

However, there is one area in which the X-Pro 1 is clearly superior to the M9 - and almost every other camera on the market. High ISO performance is lightyears better than the M9. I really never take the Leica beyond ISO 640 and if I can stick to base ISO, I do. The Fuji, on the other hand produces completely clear and detailed images up to ISO 1600 and at 3200 is better than the M9 at 640.

Last weekend I was shooting a local car club event at Rest and Be Thankful, an old hill climb course here in western Scotland. I was able to set the x-Pro ISO at auto 1600, set the shutter to 1/250 sec and dial in f11 on my 90 Summicron. The result was 64 perfectly exposed, highly detailed, sharp images. I would never have managed that with the M9.

You can see a few of them here :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdallask/sets/72157629509641478/--

http://www.pbase.com/gDallasK
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gDallasK
 
Well he niced-up later, so he is forgiven. Although it was totally inappropriate. The man (?) likes his Leicas!
PJ711 said:
RealXenuis said:
"Apr 19, 2012 07:02:20

Interestingly I see you haven't posted any pictures to the forum but we both know why don't we. Do you ever travel?

Seriously though, why are you on the Leica forum if you're such a Fuji fanboy. You ain't going to convince anyone there you know. Are you on commission? They could all afford a Fuji whatever if they wanted
Neil

PS People spell quite differently in other countries but you probably do not understand that. After all you are from Texas so or so you say. Have a nice day now big boy ya' hear!"

What does posting pics have anything to do with my opinion?
Fanboy? This is my first Fuji....
The question was about the XP1. Pretty sure they were soliciting conviction.
PS: what are you talking about??

Neil, you sound like a turd, I'll be honest. But mostly, you're just incompetent. Forums are not for this sort of thing. Now that everyone can see what you're like (if they don't already know), I'd appreciate you not contact me privately about anything, much less such a childish attempt to make yourself feel better. Agree?
Neil said:
RealXenuis said:
Couldn't agree more. My wife is getting jealous. She's caught me fondling it several times, and occasionally I'll just stare at it.
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Sounds like that's not all your fondling Willie Wonker!

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Neil
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Yes, Neil does like to send unsolicited PM's to people he perceives don't have the same unhealthy love for the camera he does.
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There are credible viewers, and now thousands of examples, that do prove you wrong. Nothing wrong with staying with your 5N, I heard it's excellent, but the XP1 is fantastic. AF with the 35 is not poor, just not as fast as say a Nikon w/35. I find it much more accurate with every XF lens (compared to the Nikons and pentax DSLR's I've owned, for example), and the 18 is fast. MF'g is perfectly straightforward and works excellently. Again, misinformation spread by those who hadn't used it, trolls, or those who only like to use focus peaking (which I find funny - it gives the same FC as the AF would choose, so why not just use that?). Click the button to zoom if you can't tell at normal perspective, and you can see real time changes in sharpness. It really couldn't be more simple or accurate. I, and many others, use it daily and have no complaints whatsoever.

If you really are interested, then go try it. If you're not, then I'm not sure why you're posting that you will stick with your camera?? Good on you!
Nikkorforever said:
ekaton said:
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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The more I read about it, the less attractive it looks. AF is mediocre and often hunting as per early testers and reviews, MF poorly implemented, (close to unusable?). Iso performance and DR look great, but files look too smooth and clinical to me, very digital. Considering 2012 technological standards an expensive camera with significant focusing deficiencies is a "no buy" for me. Maybe a next generation with FF and better AF and MF will be interesting.
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+1

All the reviews indicate excellent IQ but below par manual focus. No matter how good the files will be if you can't nail focus easily then is goes down the drain. I hope there are credible reviewers in the future that could prove me wrong. In the mean time, I'm sticking with my ancient 5N.

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Cheers, Reza
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I bought an X-Pro1 as a second body for my M9-P (that my wife has permanently borrowed) so that I would have something to shoot whilst she monopolises the M9-P (she has a better eye so why not).

After a few weeks with it I have been happy with the pictures it produces, but I miss my M9-P. My wife wont have a bar of the fuji, so I am trading the fuji and lenses on another M9-P.

Something about the simplicity of the M9-P makes it a more rewarding photo taking experience.
 
Excellent! Sounds like you're very happy with the M9-P. I appreciate that you didn't form your opinion on the childish notion that because you can afford it, it's the best camera, and those who can't/won't are neophytes. Now if I can get my wife to lend me her MF for a weekend...
Adrian Downing said:
I bought an X-Pro1 as a second body for my M9-P (that my wife has permanently borrowed) so that I would have something to shoot whilst she monopolises the M9-P (she has a better eye so why not).

After a few weeks with it I have been happy with the pictures it produces, but I miss my M9-P. My wife wont have a bar of the fuji, so I am trading the fuji and lenses on another M9-P.

Something about the simplicity of the M9-P makes it a more rewarding photo taking experience.
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The X-Pro 1 is a great camera and produces excellent images.

I didn't find the AF too bad at all. It was accurate and coming from manual focussing I was used to taking my time to compose, focus and take pictures. All the lenses were great, the 35mm and 60mm very very sharp.

I just found that I missed that sense of achievement when I nailed a good shot as I get with the M9-P. It makes you work a bit harder and in turn I find it more rewarding when you get it all right.

I think most modern camera's take pretty good pictures, especially for viewing on a website etc. I just enjoy taking them with the Leica M9 a bit more.
 
I felt the same way about the Minolta CLE. For a person like me, the mechanical technique of composing a shot using the rangefinder is something that you can't find in any other implementation. I wish I still had that camera, and that film processing wasn't so expensive.
Adrian Downing said:
The X-Pro 1 is a great camera and produces excellent images.

I didn't find the AF too bad at all. It was accurate and coming from manual focussing I was used to taking my time to compose, focus and take pictures. All the lenses were great, the 35mm and 60mm very very sharp.

I just found that I missed that sense of achievement when I nailed a good shot as I get with the M9-P. It makes you work a bit harder and in turn I find it more rewarding when you get it all right.

I think most modern camera's take pretty good pictures, especially for viewing on a website etc. I just enjoy taking them with the Leica M9 a bit more.
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I expressed some annoyance above with the comparison between the M9 and xpro-1 due to the xpro-1 not being FF.
This still remains

However, not to be a bigot, I went out and bought an xpro-1

Apart from the FF, Jewelery like build quality and range of super-quality lenses, the xpro-1 is superior.

Having live view is so d@mn useful to be honest, especially for street photograpy

The clarity of the pictures is exceptional

ho hum!
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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100% RIGHT you are.

If I were to buy a new system now, I'd consider the Fuji over throwaway DSLRs, what with slow AF, diaphragm chatter and all the bugs that you read about. For a tour around the world I'd get a body and the two wider lenses, with the small 20 flash.

But replacing your Leica M system for it? Geeeez!
Nothing beats the joy and simplicity of a Leica rangefinder.
Worried about image quality? Get medium format film or digital.
You need close focus so often? Sell the Leica and never look back again.

Other than that, it is just your never-ending desire for all things new. Quench it.
 
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