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chris G said:
chris G said:
TIP: For best results with FUJI S2 Pro take lens cap off before
shooting :)
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My Sony CD300 has a neat feature. When the lens cap is on and the
camera is on, the LCD displays "Lens Cap attached". In the manual
under "Warning and notice messages" they list the message code
"Lens Cap Attached" and the "meaning" as "The Lens Cap is Attached"
!!!

Now, how come my big ol' expensive S2 doesn't have this advanced
failsafe feature ;)
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LOL
No need to remember to take your lens cap off or have a built in feature.
Someone watching you work will always remind you to take the cap off.

Bill
 
Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Please, don't be offended anybody, but I don't like the recent
development on this forum. More and more photos are posted
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Maybe you are thinking in terms of only yourself here. Most people on this forum really enjoy seeing the posted pics my slelf included.
OlaE Hofshagen said:
but the vast majority of photos
posted today seem to be posted a.) because the poster has an S2,
and b.) because he/she is able to press the button.
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Do you really feel qualified as to judge what is good or not good enough to post? If you dont like looking at the photos you dont have to open the thread. Is it really that hard to just skip over it?
OlaE Hofshagen said:
Most of them
are of less than zero interest to me.
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Should most of the photos posted here be of interest to only you?
OlaE Hofshagen said:
Frankly, I'm annoyed at the
waste of bandwidth, and the increased time I have to spend skimming
through all the photos for nuggets of practical wisdom concerning
the S2.
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If it is of interest to most of the people on this forum, how is that a waste? And many people may find practical wisdom in those pics that are a waste of time for you.

I am not trying to be offenseve in any way, just giving you another way of looking at it.

George
 
Hi Ola-E. Hofshagen,

You are so right about all this photographs in the wrong forum, others are right about the comatic situation on S&G, well both reasons makes me being a bit silent. ;-)

Those, who wrote 'you do have to be on S&G for a few days to get responces' are right too, but well it's like in real live, you cann't play the first violin, as you just enter the orchestra.

jacques.
 
Hi Artichoke,

I myself did not get offended and did not pretend to offend either. If my post looked like I was offended myself or did offend anyone, please accept my apologies.

Best,
Dioni
You don't take a photograph, you make it (Ansel Adams)
 
This thread again, back and as popular as ever. Due to the large number of responses I have not read them all, and apologise in advance if my own opinion is repetative.

As this is a Fuji photography forum, one expects to see images from Fuji DSLR's. There is a dividing line between an image that is posted to demonstrate a problem or technical issue and images posted for critism or just to show others what you are doing. After the last debate over this issue I have come to the conclusion that if you post an image for show, then you should put [pic] somewhere in the subject, images with a small file size should be submitted (some of us are still using steam driven computers!) and you should provide details and camera settings, so that we can all see how you did it. And expect constructive critism from the people who view them. Most people do this already, if you don't want to see images on this forum then don't open anything with [pic] in the title, if everyone continues to do this new members will follow suit.

This way the images posters and there viewers should be able to exist along side those who are only intrested in the more technical aspects of this forum.

Thats my two cents

Simon
 
I find that those who also post some 'EXIF' info, their technique (like tripod, timer, shot hanging from the back of an ambulance, etc) as well as what basic post-processing they have done, to be of particular interest in concert with the posted pix. Many times it even makes the picture more interesting. I must say that I don't browse this forum for the pix, but for the tips and issues that come up. Then, again, I have looked at Mahesh's
Seattle dble exposure picture 3 or 4 separate times--

John
 
Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Frankly, Mahesh, I don't give a toss about the vote, and if you
knew the least bit about polling and statistics you wouldn't
either. Having seen your photos previously, and making the mental
connection between your name and photos, I'm afraid the result of
the poll is very predictable.
You are, however, welcome to do whatever you like on this forum, I
am in no position to dictate anything.
However, as I've pointed out, there's no shortage of sites designed
for showing photos. This forum is not designed for it (no
thumbnailed preview, no rating system, no etc etc.). Its design is
well suited for discussing the Fuji SLR tools period. There's even
a separate forum for samples and galleries. Why not brand the posts
there with "S2"? That way it would be easy to keep track of "the
people you know and love" on this forum.

On a forum for Windows XP, would you post a program of your own
design produced on that platform? Of course not.

I post a lot of photos on photosig, and also on a norwegian website
called foto.no . People who go there know what they get. When I go
to the Fuji SLR forum I want info and discussions about the Fuji
SLR's, not about photos, it's really as simple as that.

Regards

Oh, another thing, there's no need to take this personally. I
didn't mention anybody by name, and did not have you or your photos
in mind when I wrote the original post.

Ola

As I've written elsewhere in this thread
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Hi Ola,

You bring up some interesting points and you may be right. I definitely don't know much about poling. How do you suggest we try to judge weather posting pictures is a good idea or not? Who should do the polling? You? Someone who posts pictures only sometimes? Someone who never posts? Phil himself, maybe? I'm asking because I truly don't know. I've considered what you've written about my poll being flawed. I've gone over it in my mind a couple of times and here are my thoughts...let me know what you think: Let's say people recognize my name in this forum and connect it with the fact I post many pictures (that assumption of yours seems perfectly fair). Now who will make this connection? Probably people who visit the site on a regular basis, I think. Now this group includes both people who prefer picts be posted and those who don't. The association between my name and the fact I post pictures should be strong in both groups of people, don't you think? So lets say all (or a majority of) these people vote. Those who liked posting of pictures would vote for its continuation and those who didn't would vote against. If you look at the population of people who voted, I hope you'll agree that it represented a good percentage of people who visit or at least contribute to this fourm. Here is were we may disagree: I think that the people who voted (the sample population) was a relatively good reflection of the true population. You, however, may not think that. And that's ok...at least we can agree to differ on that point. So I think we come to the issue here...I did the best I could to get a true sample population. How do you propose that we get a sample that's "more true" and even if we could do that, do you honestly think that the outcome would be different?

I think you've handled yourself very professionally, Ola, even in the face of some unjust criticism and I find that very honorable. And the proposal I present to you is a sincere one...I simply don't know. And I do apoligize for that hell or high water comment I made in my original post...I think that language was a bit stern (I am just a little bit too passionate sometimes). And I know that you didn't mean me personally by your original post, but I thank you for mentioning it explicitly. I'm looking forward to your constructive comments, Ola.

--
RAW data is but a recipe; photoshop the spices...while the printout is the
final meal...and each meal tastes a little different depending on the cook.

--Mahesh Thapa
 
Polling and statistics is a science, Mahesh, (by the way, a great big thank you for being serious and abstaining from using invectives), and I have a university degree in comparative political science so I should know a lot about it. However, I have been working as a dentist for the past 16 years, and have forgotten lots and lots, so don't take this as the definite version; Your poll was deficient for a lot of reasons:
1.People don't behave rationally! All undue influence will skew the result.

2.The fact that the result of the vote was visible as the results came in will skew the result. There's an inherent trend in any population to agree with the last speaker.

3.The size of the population is unknown, so your assumption that a large percentage of these voted cannot be ascertained.
4. It is easier to abstain from voting than contradicting a large population.
5. The vote wasn't anonymous.
6. Your photos are just too darn good.

I wouldn't dare to suggest another way to hold a meaningful poll on this forum about the photos, I suppose it could be done, but only by putting a lot of resources into it and ensuring anonymity, randomization etc. etc.

Now, I don't want to be a nitpicker, so everybody: Let's leave this subject alone. I didn't want to do anything but express concern that a forum I love is getting less useful as time goes on. I understand that a. the photo-feature is here to stay as there are too many people who love it, and b. that I have to put up with it. Nothing to it, really. I can always opt out if I find it too troublesome.

Regards
Ola
Mahesh Thapa said:
Hi Ola,

You bring up some interesting points and you may be right. I
definitely don't know much about poling. How do you suggest we try
to judge weather posting pictures is a good idea or not? Who
should do the polling? You? Someone who posts pictures only
sometimes? Someone who never posts? Phil himself, maybe? I'm
asking because I truly don't know. I've considered what you've
written about my poll being flawed. I've gone over it in my mind a
couple of times and here are my thoughts...let me know what you
think: Let's say people recognize my name in this forum and
connect it with the fact I post many pictures (that assumption of
yours seems perfectly fair). Now who will make this connection?
Probably people who visit the site on a regular basis, I think.
Now this group includes both people who prefer picts be posted and
those who don't. The association between my name and the fact I
post pictures should be strong in both groups of people, don't you
think? So lets say all (or a majority of) these people vote.
Those who liked posting of pictures would vote for its continuation
and those who didn't would vote against. If you look at the
population of people who voted, I hope you'll agree that it
represented a good percentage of people who visit or at least
contribute to this fourm. Here is were we may disagree: I think
that the people who voted (the sample population) was a relatively
good reflection of the true population. You, however, may not
think that. And that's ok...at least we can agree to differ on
that point. So I think we come to the issue here...I did the best
I could to get a true sample population. How do you propose that
we get a sample that's "more true" and even if we could do that, do
you honestly think that the outcome would be different?

I think you've handled yourself very professionally, Ola, even in
the face of some unjust criticism and I find that very honorable.
And the proposal I present to you is a sincere one...I simply don't
know. And I do apoligize for that hell or high water comment I
made in my original post...I think that language was a bit stern (I
am just a little bit too passionate sometimes). And I know that
you didn't mean me personally by your original post, but I thank
you for mentioning it explicitly. I'm looking forward to your
constructive comments, Ola.

--
RAW data is but a recipe; photoshop the spices...while the
printout is the
final meal...and each meal tastes a little different depending on
the cook.

--Mahesh Thapa
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--
Hofshagen
 
I really enjoy many of the photos posted but when I'm at home I'm on a dial-up connection that often can only support 9.6 Kbaud so opening pictures is almost out of the question. I very much appreciate the fact that most people are now putting (pic) in the subject so I know which ones to avoid and wait till I'm on a fast connection. I'd guess that most users of the forum are on dial-ups and many of them have poor performance so it really helps to warn of big downloads.
--
Richard C. South Australia
 
Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Please, don't be offended anybody, but I don't like the recent
development on this forum. More and more photos are posted, and I
really don't understand the rationale behind this practice. I mean,
just after the S2 was released everybody was hungry to see photos
from this marvel, and some of them even swayed me to buy the S2
instead of the D100, but now?
Sure, some photos documenting the how-to's, lens comparisons, track
patterns etc are of interest, but the vast majority of photos
posted today seem to be posted a.) because the poster has an S2,
and b.) because he/she is able to press the button. Most of them
are of less than zero interest to me. Frankly, I'm annoyed at the
waste of bandwidth, and the increased time I have to spend skimming
through all the photos for nuggets of practical wisdom concerning
the S2.

There are plenty of sites on the web, http://www.photosig.com is one of
them, where one can show off photos for those so inclined (I am one
of them) and get your work critiqued by fellow photographers. Use
them, and not this forum, as useful posts tend to drown in the
sludge.
--
Hofshagen
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Hi Ola and especially that guys and girls that fight for photos to be seen here, allow me a comment:

Teaching Photography to design-students for nearly two decades I would
say: You can't speak, teach, learn photography without seeing photos
and that's the reason why I'm happy with every posted photo here and

even the worst. Whole photographic life is a not ending learning process and everybody should have the chance, to start at a low level and share and with the help of others here can climb the higher levels and that is the outstanding quality of this connecting medium, that it should be. Don't forget photography is a VISUAL ART and it would be absurd to speak here about the UNVISUAL only. We should be happy to have now a highly developed medium, that allows to connect us all over the world even visually and share our interests and that is unbelievable good I think and I had loved that possibility to come 10 years earlier. I'm so happy I found this outstanding forum and I tried a lot before, the kind You Ola prefer, as I interpret Your saying. Here some good ghosts developed a fantastic platform as it is now and we should not destroy it. And I say to You all, please get no future fear to show Your pictures here and share em with others.
As a professional for 40 years I even learned a lot in the ten days I'm now

here in the forum and some pictures I have seen here, were really wonderful and them combined with some very helpful information from very kindly guys here, made me to decide to buye a S2 and isn' that good side effect.

wolf
 
Hmmmm... may be we should ask Fuji for
some comission for all these sold cameras - lol
When I look back to my buying decison (b4 we had pictures)
and see it now .. I think the pictures don't do much to me
in that regard .. D100 and S2 make great pictures
the final decision was a side by side test with a few
different lenses AND the features and rating of these
for my purposes ... and the S2 was a clear winner .. by miles..
The pics for me are more of a social sort of communication
a bit humor, inspiration, motivation but has little to do
with technology.. we will see how this forum will develop
when some move on .. maybe Mahesh to a 1Ds, I will
definately by a D2 (well I think from what I expect from Nikon)
but also will keep my S2 .. It will be interesting to see
where I will hang out more or at all... anyway the pics here
are the salt in the soup and if one wants to serve soup without
salt .. well I am not on a diet ...

Have fun guys and keep those pics rolling
I have a few from yesterdays shoot .. George will love one :))
C ya soon
gmd
Wolf Huber said:
Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Please, don't be offended anybody, but I don't like the recent
development on this forum. More and more photos are posted, and I
really don't understand the rationale behind this practice. I mean,
just after the S2 was released everybody was hungry to see photos
from this marvel, and some of them even swayed me to buy the S2
instead of the D100, but now?
Sure, some photos documenting the how-to's, lens comparisons, track
patterns etc are of interest, but the vast majority of photos
posted today seem to be posted a.) because the poster has an S2,
and b.) because he/she is able to press the button. Most of them
are of less than zero interest to me. Frankly, I'm annoyed at the
waste of bandwidth, and the increased time I have to spend skimming
through all the photos for nuggets of practical wisdom concerning
the S2.

There are plenty of sites on the web, http://www.photosig.com is one of
them, where one can show off photos for those so inclined (I am one
of them) and get your work critiqued by fellow photographers. Use
them, and not this forum, as useful posts tend to drown in the
sludge.
--
Hofshagen
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Hi Ola and especially that guys and girls that fight for photos
to be seen here, allow me a comment:

Teaching Photography to design-students for nearly two decades I would
say: You can't speak, teach, learn photography without seeing photos
and that's the reason why I'm happy with every posted photo here and
even the worst. Whole photographic life is a not ending learning
process and everybody should have the chance, to start at a low
level and share and with the help of others here can climb the
higher levels and that is the outstanding quality of this
connecting medium, that it should be. Don't forget photography is
a VISUAL ART and it would be absurd to speak here about the
UNVISUAL only. We should be happy to have now a highly developed
medium, that allows to connect us all over the world even visually
and share our interests and that is unbelievable good I think and I
had loved that possibility to come 10 years earlier. I'm so happy
I found this outstanding forum and I tried a lot before, the kind
You Ola prefer, as I interpret Your saying. Here some good ghosts
developed a fantastic platform as it is now and we should not
destroy it. And I say to You all, please get no future fear to
show Your pictures here and share em with others.
As a professional for 40 years I even learned a lot in the ten days
I'm now
here in the forum and some pictures I have seen here, were really
wonderful and them combined with some very helpful information
from very kindly guys here, made me to decide to buye a S2 and isn'
that good side effect.

wolf
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I have been a teacher in the past...No photography, but Information Technology (e-mail systems), and it would be like talking about e-mail system configuration without seeing the end result...Doesn't really send the message home.

The pics here show what the Fuji S2 is capable of both out-of-camera and with some post processing. People take time to describe their settings and workflow, and it's great.

I posted some flower pics over the weekend, and got a couple of responses where people took one of the pics into PS, and did some work, and then sent me the results with an explanation. It's been very helpful. I know I wouldn't get that on Photosig nor the Samples and Galleries forum.

Take care,

Teski
Wolf Huber said:
Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Please, don't be offended anybody, but I don't like the recent
development on this forum. More and more photos are posted, and I
really don't understand the rationale behind this practice. I mean,
just after the S2 was released everybody was hungry to see photos
from this marvel, and some of them even swayed me to buy the S2
instead of the D100, but now?
Sure, some photos documenting the how-to's, lens comparisons, track
patterns etc are of interest, but the vast majority of photos
posted today seem to be posted a.) because the poster has an S2,
and b.) because he/she is able to press the button. Most of them
are of less than zero interest to me. Frankly, I'm annoyed at the
waste of bandwidth, and the increased time I have to spend skimming
through all the photos for nuggets of practical wisdom concerning
the S2.

There are plenty of sites on the web, http://www.photosig.com is one of
them, where one can show off photos for those so inclined (I am one
of them) and get your work critiqued by fellow photographers. Use
them, and not this forum, as useful posts tend to drown in the
sludge.
--
Hofshagen
Click to expand...
Hi Ola and especially that guys and girls that fight for photos
to be seen here, allow me a comment:

Teaching Photography to design-students for nearly two decades I would
say: You can't speak, teach, learn photography without seeing photos
and that's the reason why I'm happy with every posted photo here and
even the worst. Whole photographic life is a not ending learning
process and everybody should have the chance, to start at a low
level and share and with the help of others here can climb the
higher levels and that is the outstanding quality of this
connecting medium, that it should be. Don't forget photography is
a VISUAL ART and it would be absurd to speak here about the
UNVISUAL only. We should be happy to have now a highly developed
medium, that allows to connect us all over the world even visually
and share our interests and that is unbelievable good I think and I
had loved that possibility to come 10 years earlier. I'm so happy
I found this outstanding forum and I tried a lot before, the kind
You Ola prefer, as I interpret Your saying. Here some good ghosts
developed a fantastic platform as it is now and we should not
destroy it. And I say to You all, please get no future fear to
show Your pictures here and share em with others.
As a professional for 40 years I even learned a lot in the ten days
I'm now
here in the forum and some pictures I have seen here, were really
wonderful and them combined with some very helpful information
from very kindly guys here, made me to decide to buye a S2 and isn'
that good side effect.

wolf
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Ola-E. Hofshagen said:
Please, don't be offended anybody, but I don't like the recent
development on this forum. More and more photos are posted, and I
really don't understand the rationale behind this practice. I mean,
just after the S2 was released everybody was hungry to see photos
from this marvel, and some of them even swayed me to buy the S2
instead of the D100, but now?
Sure, some photos documenting the how-to's, lens comparisons, track
patterns etc are of interest, but the vast majority of photos
posted today seem to be posted a.) because the poster has an S2,
and b.) because he/she is able to press the button. Most of them
are of less than zero interest to me. Frankly, I'm annoyed at the
waste of bandwidth, and the increased time I have to spend skimming
through all the photos for nuggets of practical wisdom concerning
the S2.

There are plenty of sites on the web, http://www.photosig.com is one of
them, where one can show off photos for those so inclined (I am one
of them) and get your work critiqued by fellow photographers. Use
them, and not this forum, as useful posts tend to drown in the
sludge.
--
Hofshagen
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--Personally, I like the photos that support technical issues. The other have no interest for me, but generally skip over them. I prefer freedom of choice over censorship.

JoeR
 
There is a forum on this site for Samples and Galleries, and I think that is where the majority of the photos should be posted.

It seems to me that most of the photos being posted here is just one big mutual admiration society. - 'Oh, I just took this photos 10 minutes ago. Isn't it wonderful!'

Then everyone else chimes in ohing and ahing and praising it. I agree with Ola, this is not the right place for that.

My 2 cents worth.
Declan
 
In th eheader of each forum one can click on the riles/help button and read what Phil is writing about posting just photographs.

"

Please use "Samples & Galleries" - We encourage our users to embed image links into their text, however if you're simply posting a link to your favourite picture or your latest gallery we'd ask you to post this in the Samples & Galleries forum

"

As I enter someones house and the owner asks me to leave my shoes in the hall and walk through his house on my socks, I will do so.

As a site owner asks me to post photographs or galeries of photographs in the S&G forum I do so too.

IMO just very occasionaly posting a photograph, i.e. to show your new fine VR lens or alike will not be arel problem, but the hudge numbers of 'just photographs' post is destructive for this forum.

As Wolf writes, photography is about photographs and by looking at photographs we do learn how to photograph, he is very right, but this should be done In S&G, as for the aspects of a photograph like composition, use of DOF etcetera I realy don't care if it has been produced by the use of a S2, a analog film camera, a C4040, .......

jacques.
 
Hi Ola-E,

I don’t see what the big deal is. . . . click on posts to see pics (pic) or don’t click on posts with (pic). To me that’s pretty simple.

Personally I’m all in favour of pics. After all. . .it is what it’s all about. . . .

Ken
 
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